Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
Guam said:
chris watton said:
Nothing less than expected for the BBC. The only thing we can do, realistically, is simply watch watch/listen to any BBC content, or at least restrict exposure to it. I used to get too wound up when being subjected to it, now though, I realise I don't need it in my life.
Never understand why so many think they have to rely on it!
However, what I find scary is the first tentative steps that are now happening to censor the internet - they hack away, bit by bit (boiling frog analogy) as stuff we once never thought about/took for granted.
And still we'll get people defending the drip, drip erosion of genuine free thought - believe what the state tells you, lest you be branded a 'crank', 'fruitcake' or 'nutcase'. Denier, even...
For me, life's too short to worry about this constantly, so I limit my exposure to it - if people swallow what they're drip fed, more fool them.
I wholly agree, I almost never watch the Beeb now, its about as reliable as Pravda was back in the Soviet era.Never understand why so many think they have to rely on it!
However, what I find scary is the first tentative steps that are now happening to censor the internet - they hack away, bit by bit (boiling frog analogy) as stuff we once never thought about/took for granted.
And still we'll get people defending the drip, drip erosion of genuine free thought - believe what the state tells you, lest you be branded a 'crank', 'fruitcake' or 'nutcase'. Denier, even...
For me, life's too short to worry about this constantly, so I limit my exposure to it - if people swallow what they're drip fed, more fool them.
I'm more often changing channels when the latest 'news' report ( biased propaganda )appears.Which is obviously just yet more of the usual confirmation of government policy either in the form of the continuous barrage of global warmist garbage.Or other government policy indoctrination like how bad it will be if we leave the EU etc etc etc.
Then when it's finished it's time for yet more global warmist indoctrination in the form of the weather 'forecast' telling us how abnormally warm mid/high 20 s C temperatures are in mid summer and how 'average' and 'fresher' that sub 20's/mid teens C temperatures are.It's really getting obvious now to the point of desperation on the part of the warmist agenda for whatever reason.
chris watton said:
However, what I find scary is the first tentative steps that are now happening to censor the internet - they hack away, bit by bit (boiling frog analogy) as stuff we once never thought about/took for granted slowly disappear/becomes illegal..
I'd love to know how many 'right to be forgotten' requests Google receives from activists wanting any criticism of them or their opinions hidden.Just as I thought the tide was turning on climate change, an EU wide law now allows huge amounts of information to be hidden from most people.
XJ Flyer said:
Guam said:
chris watton said:
Nothing less than expected for the BBC. The only thing we can do, realistically, is simply watch watch/listen to any BBC content, or at least restrict exposure to it. I used to get too wound up when being subjected to it, now though, I realise I don't need it in my life.
Never understand why so many think they have to rely on it!
However, what I find scary is the first tentative steps that are now happening to censor the internet - they hack away, bit by bit (boiling frog analogy) as stuff we once never thought about/took for granted.
And still we'll get people defending the drip, drip erosion of genuine free thought - believe what the state tells you, lest you be branded a 'crank', 'fruitcake' or 'nutcase'. Denier, even...
For me, life's too short to worry about this constantly, so I limit my exposure to it - if people swallow what they're drip fed, more fool them.
I wholly agree, I almost never watch the Beeb now, its about as reliable as Pravda was back in the Soviet era.Never understand why so many think they have to rely on it!
However, what I find scary is the first tentative steps that are now happening to censor the internet - they hack away, bit by bit (boiling frog analogy) as stuff we once never thought about/took for granted.
And still we'll get people defending the drip, drip erosion of genuine free thought - believe what the state tells you, lest you be branded a 'crank', 'fruitcake' or 'nutcase'. Denier, even...
For me, life's too short to worry about this constantly, so I limit my exposure to it - if people swallow what they're drip fed, more fool them.
I'm more often changing channels when the latest 'news' report ( biased propaganda )appears.Which is obviously just yet more of the usual confirmation of government policy either in the form of the continuous barrage of global warmist garbage.Or other government policy indoctrination like how bad it will be if we leave the EU etc etc etc.
Then when it's finished it's time for yet more global warmist indoctrination in the form of the weather 'forecast' telling us how abnormally warm mid/high 20 s C temperatures are in mid summer and how 'average' and 'fresher' that sub 20's/mid teens C temperatures are.It's really getting obvious now to the point of desperation on the part of the warmist agenda for whatever reason.
Guam said:
That is indeed an issue, shame it doesn't disappear from the Internet wayback machine 
hopefully the wayback machine will be priceless when it comes to jailing some of these clowns in the . it would appear the tampering is at least an entire northern hemisphere issue ,if not global. http://endisnighnot.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/the-pas...christ,no wonder the warming trend is so great when 1.0c is being lopped off temps in 1900 in some areas (see last comment in link)
brenflys777 said:
I thought the article got a bit dammed up in his otter comparison to really get his teeth stuck into it. A log jam of ideas which interfered with the message stream.
What I did really appreciate were some of the comments. The chap who mentioned recent (100's of years ago) dairy farming on Greenland and Scottish grape production...
Anyway, I'd taken a break from checking in on this topic, but my daughters schools seem determined to pass off theories as inconvenient truths so I'd better brush up on the facts before parents evening.
Does anyone have a link to the US response to their mystic and fraudulent temperature data?
it may be worth reminding the school of their responsibilities as a result of this, if your daughter has been subject to any of the warmist propaganda films. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3310137...What I did really appreciate were some of the comments. The chap who mentioned recent (100's of years ago) dairy farming on Greenland and Scottish grape production...
Anyway, I'd taken a break from checking in on this topic, but my daughters schools seem determined to pass off theories as inconvenient truths so I'd better brush up on the facts before parents evening.
Does anyone have a link to the US response to their mystic and fraudulent temperature data?
Guam said:
alock said:
I'd love to know how many 'right to be forgotten' requests Google receives from activists wanting any criticism of them or their opinions hidden.
Just as I thought the tide was turning on climate change, an EU wide law now allows huge amounts of information to be hidden from most people.
That is indeed an issue, shame it doesn't disappear from the Internet wayback machine Just as I thought the tide was turning on climate change, an EU wide law now allows huge amounts of information to be hidden from most people.
On the other hand a certain Mr. Peston at the BBC is a tad put out about having one of his blog posts eliminated from the EU Google search engine because some American Uber Banker had asked for it to be forgotten that he was at the centre of the last fiscal collapse. Presumably more people now know about that than ever did before. Apparently O'neal is saying he has no knowledge of a request to remove the item from Google searches.
This could get interesting. Google are in a tricky position with no benefit to them but a lot of risk in a completely new area of legal opaqueness. Given the way the European courts make stuff up as they go I don't envy them their task.
Allegedly 'celebs' are asking to have their houses removed from Street View as well. Personally I think it would be better if the celebs were moved from the houses. It seems I am in a minority in that position. For now.
ETA. It seems there is more to this story and the link has been re-instated.
http://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsit...
Edited by LongQ on Friday 4th July 15:02
Guam said:
XJ Flyer said:
+2
I'm more often changing channels when the latest 'news' report ( biased propaganda )appears.Which is obviously just yet more of the usual confirmation of government policy either in the form of the continuous barrage of global warmist garbage.Or other government policy indoctrination like how bad it will be if we leave the EU etc etc etc.
Then when it's finished it's time for yet more global warmist indoctrination in the form of the weather 'forecast' telling us how abnormally warm mid/high 20 s C temperatures are in mid summer and how 'average' and 'fresher' that sub 20's/mid teens C temperatures are.It's really getting obvious now to the point of desperation on the part of the warmist agenda for whatever reason.
Indeed there was a great example recently, the Coral Reef thing came up again following recent reports on the Caribbean. Initially the Line (rightly) was that it was due to overfishing and tourism impacts that were killing the reefs (Parrot Fish and Sea Urchins were specifically called out), by the end of the day "climate Change" had been added into the causal factors. I'm more often changing channels when the latest 'news' report ( biased propaganda )appears.Which is obviously just yet more of the usual confirmation of government policy either in the form of the continuous barrage of global warmist garbage.Or other government policy indoctrination like how bad it will be if we leave the EU etc etc etc.
Then when it's finished it's time for yet more global warmist indoctrination in the form of the weather 'forecast' telling us how abnormally warm mid/high 20 s C temperatures are in mid summer and how 'average' and 'fresher' that sub 20's/mid teens C temperatures are.It's really getting obvious now to the point of desperation on the part of the warmist agenda for whatever reason.
However, I didn't stick around long enough to hear that its all down to climate change. I don't know if that was said or not but I'd bet the £10 note in my pocket that it was mentioned in the same breath.
wc98 said:
it may be worth reminding the school of their responsibilities as a result of this, if your daughter has been subject to any of the warmist propaganda films. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3310137...
Didn't realise we have less than 2 years until armageddon. Doesn't time fly!The film's distributor, Paramount, warns in its synopsis of the film: "If the vast majority of the world's scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced
May 2016 (10 years after the films release) has to be a date in the diary remind Al Gore that we're still all alive and haven't all been burnt to death/drowned/starved/diseased (delete as appropriate)
kingofdbrits said:
wc98 said:
it may be worth reminding the school of their responsibilities as a result of this, if your daughter has been subject to any of the warmist propaganda films. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3310137...
Didn't realise we have less than 2 years until armageddon. Doesn't time fly!The film's distributor, Paramount, warns in its synopsis of the film: "If the vast majority of the world's scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced
May 2016 (10 years after the films release) has to be a date in the diary remind Al Gore that we're still all alive and haven't all been burnt to death/drowned/starved/diseased (delete as appropriate)
Guam said:
Amazing
Climate change : the answer to everything.
Next time I take a test I should just write that for every answer. I am bound to get 100% shirely?!
Germany Caves In To Wannabe Cave Dwellers And Bans Fracking Until 2021
Energy Security In Europe At Risk From Green & Russian Lobbies
Germany plans to halt shale-gas drilling for the next seven years over concerns that exploration techniques could pollute groundwater. "There won't be [shale gas] fracking in Germany for the foreseeable future," German Environment Minister Barbara Hendricks (SPD) said Friday in Berlin. The government's planned regulations come amid a political standoff with Russia, Germany's main gas supplier, and following intensive lobbying from environmentalists and brewers concerned about possible drinking water contamination.
Jan Hromadko and Harriet Torry, The Wall Street Journal, 04 July 2014
Energy Security In Europe At Risk From Green & Russian Lobbies
Germany plans to halt shale-gas drilling for the next seven years over concerns that exploration techniques could pollute groundwater. "There won't be [shale gas] fracking in Germany for the foreseeable future," German Environment Minister Barbara Hendricks (SPD) said Friday in Berlin. The government's planned regulations come amid a political standoff with Russia, Germany's main gas supplier, and following intensive lobbying from environmentalists and brewers concerned about possible drinking water contamination.
Jan Hromadko and Harriet Torry, The Wall Street Journal, 04 July 2014
Data And Narrative Deleted From UN Climate Report Highlights Politicization Of Climate Science
When the United Nations’ last major climate change report was released in April, it omitted some country-specific emissions data for political reasons, a trio of new papers argue, sounding a warning bell about the global politicization of climate science. “Heated negotiations among scientific authors and diplomats led to substantial deletion of figures and text from the influential ‘Summary for Policy-makers,’” writes Brad Wible, an editor at the journal Science.
Brian Clark Howard, National Geographic, 03 July 2014
When the United Nations’ last major climate change report was released in April, it omitted some country-specific emissions data for political reasons, a trio of new papers argue, sounding a warning bell about the global politicization of climate science. “Heated negotiations among scientific authors and diplomats led to substantial deletion of figures and text from the influential ‘Summary for Policy-makers,’” writes Brad Wible, an editor at the journal Science.
Brian Clark Howard, National Geographic, 03 July 2014
turbobloke said:
Germany Caves In To Wannabe Cave Dwellers And Bans Fracking Until 2021
Energy Security In Europe At Risk From Green & Russian Lobbies
Germany plans to halt shale-gas drilling for the next seven years over concerns that exploration techniques could pollute groundwater. "There won't be [shale gas] fracking in Germany for the foreseeable future," German Environment Minister Barbara Hendricks (SPD) said Friday in Berlin. The government's planned regulations come amid a political standoff with Russia, Germany's main gas supplier, and following intensive lobbying from environmentalists and brewers concerned about possible drinking water contamination.
Jan Hromadko and Harriet Torry, The Wall Street Journal, 04 July 2014
Energy Security In Europe At Risk From Green & Russian Lobbies
Germany plans to halt shale-gas drilling for the next seven years over concerns that exploration techniques could pollute groundwater. "There won't be [shale gas] fracking in Germany for the foreseeable future," German Environment Minister Barbara Hendricks (SPD) said Friday in Berlin. The government's planned regulations come amid a political standoff with Russia, Germany's main gas supplier, and following intensive lobbying from environmentalists and brewers concerned about possible drinking water contamination.
Jan Hromadko and Harriet Torry, The Wall Street Journal, 04 July 2014
Vot do you mean, zer lights haff gone out?
Otispunkmeyer said:
I cant believe anyone takes stuff like that seriously. That little snippet sounds like it came straight from the script of some OTT B-movie. Surprised there isn't mass shark attack in there! I mean that is proper tin-foil-hat-end-of-the-world-is-nigh stuff suitable only for the towns resident whack job. The annoying but mostly harmless whack job no one pays attention to.
The Guardian takes it seriously and even has regular updates as we countdown to carbon destruction although they have the end times occurring around December 2015 so not long to go now.Study maps fracking methane risk to drinking water
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2813...
First paragraph of article says -
"[i]A major study into the potential of fracking to contaminate drinking water with methane has been published.
The British Geological Survey and the Environment Agency have mapped where key aquifers in England and Wales coincide with locations of shale.
The research reveals this occurs under nearly half of the area containing the principal natural stores of water.
The risk of methane being released into drinking water has long been one of the most sensitive questions over fracking.[/i]"
But then later mentions that 800m of rock separates 92% of the shale from the aquifers, begrudgingly conceding that -
"Industry officials have always argued that a separation of that size between a shale layer and an aquifer should make any contamination virtually impossible.
- While still making it sound like this is only the opinion of those who stand to benefit ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2813...
First paragraph of article says -
"[i]A major study into the potential of fracking to contaminate drinking water with methane has been published.
The British Geological Survey and the Environment Agency have mapped where key aquifers in England and Wales coincide with locations of shale.
The research reveals this occurs under nearly half of the area containing the principal natural stores of water.
The risk of methane being released into drinking water has long been one of the most sensitive questions over fracking.[/i]"
But then later mentions that 800m of rock separates 92% of the shale from the aquifers, begrudgingly conceding that -
"Industry officials have always argued that a separation of that size between a shale layer and an aquifer should make any contamination virtually impossible.
- While still making it sound like this is only the opinion of those who stand to benefit ...
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof 
Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
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