Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2

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With these feet

5,728 posts

214 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof spin Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Are there going to be special support teams on call for large lemonade incidents? Or perhaps a cap to put on your pint between mouth fulls?

Got it. A cap that has a gauge on it that you stick on your pint pot while youre chatting, that measures the potential co2 prevented from entering the atmosphere.

Though youd then have to figure out how to solve Burp Capture or MMBCC, maybe belching into a plastic bag? smile

Theoldman

3,598 posts

193 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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Halb said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/...

So less of the alternative view to be shown.
The corruption and worry about being found out, is putting pressure on the BBC for sure.
There are people in very high places who have "Invested" in this shame trying to protect themselves. IMHO.

It is just so obvious, that thinking they are just stupidly following the IPCC is not the answer.
OR is it?

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof spin Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Why?

It is a bloody good idea

I can't remember where it is but there is a factory where the CO2 and waste heat go next door into a HUGE tomato greenhouse

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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Halb said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/...

So less of the alternative view to be shown.
The BBC Trust said:
that man-made climate change was one area where too much weight had been given to unqualified critics.
rofl...no, stop it, my ribs are aching worse than a kick in the nuts with a lead welly. Just stop it.

DocJock

8,341 posts

239 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof spin Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Why?

It is a bloody good idea

I can't remember where it is but there is a factory where the CO2 and waste heat go next door into a HUGE tomato greenhouse
A few distilleries do this.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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It won't be long before every brewery requires carbon capture to operate lawfully.

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

129 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
Halb said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/...

So less of the alternative view to be shown.
The BBC Trust said:
that man-made climate change was one area where too much weight had been given to unqualified critics.
rofl..
Whereas,according to BBC sources,people like Gore's and Davey's expert scientific opinions are being overlooked.

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Sunday 6th July 2014
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4th law of thermodynamics







mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 6th July 2014
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How very true...hehe

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 6th July 2014
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Guam said:
If you thought the Antarctic story was funny, try this (warning avoid drinking near the computer when reading this you may need a new Keyboard)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2682338/Re...

rofl
Oh, no...

No more ginners...?

No more Scottish ginners...?

How will we survive that...?

roflrofl

Fartomatic5000

558 posts

154 months

Monday 7th July 2014
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Guam said:
If you thought the Antarctic story was funny, try this (warning avoid drinking near the computer when reading this you may need a new Keyboard)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2682338/Re...

rofl
Such junk journalism. This (below) turned out to be a hoax, but still on their site.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2284783.stm

Diderot

7,263 posts

191 months

Monday 7th July 2014
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Have you noticed how all Siberians and Inuits are ginger?

turbobloke

103,741 posts

259 months

Monday 7th July 2014
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The BBC Has Lost Its Balance Over Climate Change

The BBC’s behaviour grows ever more bizarre. Committed by charter to balanced reporting, it has now decided formally that it was wrong to allow balance in a debate between rival guesses about the future. In rebuking itself for having had the gall to interview Nigel Lawson on the Today programme about climate change earlier this year, it issued a statement containing this gem: “Lord Lawson’s views are not supported by the evidence from computer modelling and scientific research.” The evidence from computer modelling? The phrase is an oxymoron. A model cannot, by definition, provide evidence: it can provide a prediction to test against real evidence.

The BBC bends over backwards to give air time to minority campaigners on matters such as fracking, genetically modified crops, and alternative medicine. Biologists who thinks GM crops are dangerous, doctors who think homeopathy works and engineers who think fracking has contaminated aquifers are far rarer than climate sceptics. Yet Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth spokesmen are seldom out of Broadcasting House. So the real reason for the BBC’s double standard becomes clear: dissent in the direction of more alarm is always encouraged; dissent in the direction of less alarm is to be suppressed.

Matt Ridley, The Times, 07 July 2014

Previous Diagnosis of Beebism

What explains the incredible intolerance, belligerance, and stunning dogmatism of the climate central planners? They really can’t allow a debate, because they will certainly and rightly lose. When that is certain, the only way forward is to rage. If you want tolerance and humility, and a willingness to defer to the evidence and gradual process of scientific discovery, you will find it among those who have no desire to manage the world from the top down.

Jeffrey Tucker, Liberty Me, 19 June 2014


Somewhat O/T but not much:


Majority Want BBC Licence Fee Scrapped

More than half the British public think the television licence fee should be scrapped and the BBC forced to find new ways to fund itself, according to a poll published today. The broadcaster should generate income from advertising rather than relying on taxes or higher licence fee funds, the findings suggest. The results, from a survey of more than 2,000 people by ComRes, come as ministers and BBC executives prepare for the government’s review of the broadcaster’s charter in 2016. The new Culture Secretary, Sajid Javid, has indicated he is prepared to be radical in reconsidering the BBC’s funding.

Tim Ross, The Daily Telegraph, 07 July 2014



mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Monday 7th July 2014
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Aujourd'hui, la belle France et, demain, le BBC...



Go, Nicole, go....hehe

LongQ

13,864 posts

232 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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It occurs to me that Corporately the BBC couldn't identify "evidence" and understand "facts" if it was groped by them.

From the behaviour of "Stars" to IT systems they seem to have little clue too often to be held up as an example of probity for anything.

It's quite sad really.

That said one has to assume that such blatant statement of selective bias means they fear their remaining reputation is about to be further questioned and is at risk. Best to fill the moat and pull up the drawbridge.

colonel c

7,888 posts

238 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof spin Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Why?

It is a bloody good idea

I can't remember where it is but there is a factory where the CO2 and waste heat go next door into a HUGE tomato greenhouse
Quite impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_UZ-Xg275I


http://www.britishsugar.co.uk/tomatoes.aspx



turbobloke

103,741 posts

259 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Climate Science Paper Censored By American Meteorological Society Journal

Research that questioned the accuracy of computer models used to predict global warming was “censored” by climate scientists, it was alleged yesterday. One academic reviewer said that a section should not be published because it “would lead to unnecessary confusion in the climate science community”. Another wrote: “This entire discussion has to disappear.” The paper suggested that the computer models used by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) were flawed, resulting in human influence on the climate being exaggerated and the impact of natural variability being underplayed. Vladimir Semenov, a climate scientist at the Geomar institute in Kiel, Germany, said the questions he and six others had posed in the original version of the paper were valid and removing them was “a kind of censorship”.
Ben Webster, The Times, 08 July 2014

The free, unhampered exchange of ideas and scientific conclusions is necessary for the sound development of science, as it is in all spheres of cultural life.
Albert Einstein

We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still.
John Stuart Mill


Climate Models Confounded As Antarctic Sea Ice Hits New Record High, Confounding Climate Change Computer Models Which Say It Should Be Declining.

The levels of Antarctic sea-ice last week hit an all-time high – confounding climate change computer models which say it should be in decline. America’s National Snow And Ice Data Center, which is funded by Nasa, revealed that ice around the southern continent covers about 16million sq km, more than 2.1?million more than is usual for the time of year. It is by far the highest level since satellite observations on which the figures depend began in 1979. It represents the latest stage in a trend that started ten years ago, and means that an area the size of Greenland, which would normally be open water, is now frozen. The Antarctic surge is so big that overall, although Arctic ice has decreased, the frozen area around both poles is one million square kilometres more than the long-term average.
David Rose, Mail on Sunday, 06 July 2014


Greenbacks Back Green

President Barack Obama’s aggressive and controversial Climate Action Plan grew out of a draft proposal from one of America’s richest environmental activist groups, it emerged Monday. The Natural Resources Defense Council, which spent $41 million of its $210 million nest egg last year pushing for changes in energy policy, circulated a 110-page document in 2012 that outlined what would become the president’s latest salvo in the global-warming wars. Now that the Obama administration has adopted the green-group’s plan, the NRDC’s insider status is widely seen as an in-your-face response to oil, gas and coal companies that had a seat at the table 13 years ago when then-Vice President Dick Cheney convened meetings in secret to chart future energy policy.
David Martosko, Daily Mail, 8 July 2014


LongQ Was Right Viva This Thread!

Climate policy is a matter of balancing political values and objectives – an issue on which Lord Lawson is indisputably one of the world’s leading authorities and about which the climate scientist knows absolutely nothing. The sooner people grasp that climate change policy is not a scientific question, the sooner our debate on this matter will become a whole lot more rational and balanced.
Andrew Lilico, The Daily Telegraph, 07 July 2014

dickymint

24,089 posts

257 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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colonel c said:
McWigglebum4th said:
dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof spin Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Why?

It is a bloody good idea

I can't remember where it is but there is a factory where the CO2 and waste heat go next door into a HUGE tomato greenhouse
Quite impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_UZ-Xg275I


http://www.britishsugar.co.uk/tomatoes.aspx
At Cornerways, carbon dioxide (a by-product from the CHP boiler) is pumped into the enormous glasshouse to be absorbed by the plants, rather than vented into the atmosphere as waste emissions.

Except it's not "waste" as there are plenty of other plants that thrive on it wink

Otispunkmeyer

12,555 posts

154 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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BBC news headlines (sorry !) This morning. Some presenter stood in a garden with the headline something along the lines of dealing with hit summers caused by climate change! Said with a completely straight face.

Where's that picture of batman slapping robin? It's summer you fool! It gets warm! And this summer's hardly been a blow out! It's been quite mild compared to some I remember.

Otispunkmeyer

12,555 posts

154 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Oh right it's on now. Hospitals will overheat due to climate change! Yeah your errors are still many times the warming signal ergo you can't really say if it's coming or going!

I can't believe the straight faces!

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 9th July 08:19

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