Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Are there going to be special support teams on call for large lemonade incidents? Or perhaps a cap to put on your pint between mouth fulls? Got it. A cap that has a gauge on it that you stick on your pint pot while youre chatting, that measures the potential co2 prevented from entering the atmosphere.
Though youd then have to figure out how to solve Burp Capture or MMBCC, maybe belching into a plastic bag?
Halb said:
The corruption and worry about being found out, is putting pressure on the BBC for sure.There are people in very high places who have "Invested" in this shame trying to protect themselves. IMHO.
It is just so obvious, that thinking they are just stupidly following the IPCC is not the answer.
OR is it?
dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Why?It is a bloody good idea
I can't remember where it is but there is a factory where the CO2 and waste heat go next door into a HUGE tomato greenhouse
Halb said:
The BBC Trust said:
that man-made climate change was one area where too much weight had been given to unqualified critics.
...no, stop it, my ribs are aching worse than a kick in the nuts with a lead welly. Just stop it. McWigglebum4th said:
dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Why?It is a bloody good idea
I can't remember where it is but there is a factory where the CO2 and waste heat go next door into a HUGE tomato greenhouse
mybrainhurts said:
Halb said:
The BBC Trust said:
that man-made climate change was one area where too much weight had been given to unqualified critics.
..Guam said:
If you thought the Antarctic story was funny, try this (warning avoid drinking near the computer when reading this you may need a new Keyboard)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2682338/Re...
Oh, no...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2682338/Re...
No more ginners...?
No more Scottish ginners...?
How will we survive that...?
Guam said:
If you thought the Antarctic story was funny, try this (warning avoid drinking near the computer when reading this you may need a new Keyboard)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2682338/Re...
Such junk journalism. This (below) turned out to be a hoax, but still on their site. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2682338/Re...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2284783.stm
The BBC Has Lost Its Balance Over Climate Change
The BBC’s behaviour grows ever more bizarre. Committed by charter to balanced reporting, it has now decided formally that it was wrong to allow balance in a debate between rival guesses about the future. In rebuking itself for having had the gall to interview Nigel Lawson on the Today programme about climate change earlier this year, it issued a statement containing this gem: “Lord Lawson’s views are not supported by the evidence from computer modelling and scientific research.” The evidence from computer modelling? The phrase is an oxymoron. A model cannot, by definition, provide evidence: it can provide a prediction to test against real evidence.
The BBC bends over backwards to give air time to minority campaigners on matters such as fracking, genetically modified crops, and alternative medicine. Biologists who thinks GM crops are dangerous, doctors who think homeopathy works and engineers who think fracking has contaminated aquifers are far rarer than climate sceptics. Yet Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth spokesmen are seldom out of Broadcasting House. So the real reason for the BBC’s double standard becomes clear: dissent in the direction of more alarm is always encouraged; dissent in the direction of less alarm is to be suppressed.
Matt Ridley, The Times, 07 July 2014
Previous Diagnosis of Beebism
What explains the incredible intolerance, belligerance, and stunning dogmatism of the climate central planners? They really can’t allow a debate, because they will certainly and rightly lose. When that is certain, the only way forward is to rage. If you want tolerance and humility, and a willingness to defer to the evidence and gradual process of scientific discovery, you will find it among those who have no desire to manage the world from the top down.
Jeffrey Tucker, Liberty Me, 19 June 2014
Somewhat O/T but not much:
Majority Want BBC Licence Fee Scrapped
More than half the British public think the television licence fee should be scrapped and the BBC forced to find new ways to fund itself, according to a poll published today. The broadcaster should generate income from advertising rather than relying on taxes or higher licence fee funds, the findings suggest. The results, from a survey of more than 2,000 people by ComRes, come as ministers and BBC executives prepare for the government’s review of the broadcaster’s charter in 2016. The new Culture Secretary, Sajid Javid, has indicated he is prepared to be radical in reconsidering the BBC’s funding.
Tim Ross, The Daily Telegraph, 07 July 2014
The BBC’s behaviour grows ever more bizarre. Committed by charter to balanced reporting, it has now decided formally that it was wrong to allow balance in a debate between rival guesses about the future. In rebuking itself for having had the gall to interview Nigel Lawson on the Today programme about climate change earlier this year, it issued a statement containing this gem: “Lord Lawson’s views are not supported by the evidence from computer modelling and scientific research.” The evidence from computer modelling? The phrase is an oxymoron. A model cannot, by definition, provide evidence: it can provide a prediction to test against real evidence.
The BBC bends over backwards to give air time to minority campaigners on matters such as fracking, genetically modified crops, and alternative medicine. Biologists who thinks GM crops are dangerous, doctors who think homeopathy works and engineers who think fracking has contaminated aquifers are far rarer than climate sceptics. Yet Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth spokesmen are seldom out of Broadcasting House. So the real reason for the BBC’s double standard becomes clear: dissent in the direction of more alarm is always encouraged; dissent in the direction of less alarm is to be suppressed.
Matt Ridley, The Times, 07 July 2014
Previous Diagnosis of Beebism
What explains the incredible intolerance, belligerance, and stunning dogmatism of the climate central planners? They really can’t allow a debate, because they will certainly and rightly lose. When that is certain, the only way forward is to rage. If you want tolerance and humility, and a willingness to defer to the evidence and gradual process of scientific discovery, you will find it among those who have no desire to manage the world from the top down.
Jeffrey Tucker, Liberty Me, 19 June 2014
Somewhat O/T but not much:
Majority Want BBC Licence Fee Scrapped
More than half the British public think the television licence fee should be scrapped and the BBC forced to find new ways to fund itself, according to a poll published today. The broadcaster should generate income from advertising rather than relying on taxes or higher licence fee funds, the findings suggest. The results, from a survey of more than 2,000 people by ComRes, come as ministers and BBC executives prepare for the government’s review of the broadcaster’s charter in 2016. The new Culture Secretary, Sajid Javid, has indicated he is prepared to be radical in reconsidering the BBC’s funding.
Tim Ross, The Daily Telegraph, 07 July 2014
It occurs to me that Corporately the BBC couldn't identify "evidence" and understand "facts" if it was groped by them.
From the behaviour of "Stars" to IT systems they seem to have little clue too often to be held up as an example of probity for anything.
It's quite sad really.
That said one has to assume that such blatant statement of selective bias means they fear their remaining reputation is about to be further questioned and is at risk. Best to fill the moat and pull up the drawbridge.
From the behaviour of "Stars" to IT systems they seem to have little clue too often to be held up as an example of probity for anything.
It's quite sad really.
That said one has to assume that such blatant statement of selective bias means they fear their remaining reputation is about to be further questioned and is at risk. Best to fill the moat and pull up the drawbridge.
McWigglebum4th said:
dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Why?It is a bloody good idea
I can't remember where it is but there is a factory where the CO2 and waste heat go next door into a HUGE tomato greenhouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_UZ-Xg275I
http://www.britishsugar.co.uk/tomatoes.aspx
Climate Science Paper Censored By American Meteorological Society Journal
Research that questioned the accuracy of computer models used to predict global warming was “censored” by climate scientists, it was alleged yesterday. One academic reviewer said that a section should not be published because it “would lead to unnecessary confusion in the climate science community”. Another wrote: “This entire discussion has to disappear.” The paper suggested that the computer models used by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) were flawed, resulting in human influence on the climate being exaggerated and the impact of natural variability being underplayed. Vladimir Semenov, a climate scientist at the Geomar institute in Kiel, Germany, said the questions he and six others had posed in the original version of the paper were valid and removing them was “a kind of censorship”.
Ben Webster, The Times, 08 July 2014
The free, unhampered exchange of ideas and scientific conclusions is necessary for the sound development of science, as it is in all spheres of cultural life.
Albert Einstein
We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still.
John Stuart Mill
Climate Models Confounded As Antarctic Sea Ice Hits New Record High, Confounding Climate Change Computer Models Which Say It Should Be Declining.
The levels of Antarctic sea-ice last week hit an all-time high – confounding climate change computer models which say it should be in decline. America’s National Snow And Ice Data Center, which is funded by Nasa, revealed that ice around the southern continent covers about 16million sq km, more than 2.1?million more than is usual for the time of year. It is by far the highest level since satellite observations on which the figures depend began in 1979. It represents the latest stage in a trend that started ten years ago, and means that an area the size of Greenland, which would normally be open water, is now frozen. The Antarctic surge is so big that overall, although Arctic ice has decreased, the frozen area around both poles is one million square kilometres more than the long-term average.
David Rose, Mail on Sunday, 06 July 2014
Greenbacks Back Green
President Barack Obama’s aggressive and controversial Climate Action Plan grew out of a draft proposal from one of America’s richest environmental activist groups, it emerged Monday. The Natural Resources Defense Council, which spent $41 million of its $210 million nest egg last year pushing for changes in energy policy, circulated a 110-page document in 2012 that outlined what would become the president’s latest salvo in the global-warming wars. Now that the Obama administration has adopted the green-group’s plan, the NRDC’s insider status is widely seen as an in-your-face response to oil, gas and coal companies that had a seat at the table 13 years ago when then-Vice President Dick Cheney convened meetings in secret to chart future energy policy.
David Martosko, Daily Mail, 8 July 2014
LongQ Was Right Viva This Thread!
Climate policy is a matter of balancing political values and objectives – an issue on which Lord Lawson is indisputably one of the world’s leading authorities and about which the climate scientist knows absolutely nothing. The sooner people grasp that climate change policy is not a scientific question, the sooner our debate on this matter will become a whole lot more rational and balanced.
Andrew Lilico, The Daily Telegraph, 07 July 2014
Research that questioned the accuracy of computer models used to predict global warming was “censored” by climate scientists, it was alleged yesterday. One academic reviewer said that a section should not be published because it “would lead to unnecessary confusion in the climate science community”. Another wrote: “This entire discussion has to disappear.” The paper suggested that the computer models used by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) were flawed, resulting in human influence on the climate being exaggerated and the impact of natural variability being underplayed. Vladimir Semenov, a climate scientist at the Geomar institute in Kiel, Germany, said the questions he and six others had posed in the original version of the paper were valid and removing them was “a kind of censorship”.
Ben Webster, The Times, 08 July 2014
The free, unhampered exchange of ideas and scientific conclusions is necessary for the sound development of science, as it is in all spheres of cultural life.
Albert Einstein
We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still.
John Stuart Mill
Climate Models Confounded As Antarctic Sea Ice Hits New Record High, Confounding Climate Change Computer Models Which Say It Should Be Declining.
The levels of Antarctic sea-ice last week hit an all-time high – confounding climate change computer models which say it should be in decline. America’s National Snow And Ice Data Center, which is funded by Nasa, revealed that ice around the southern continent covers about 16million sq km, more than 2.1?million more than is usual for the time of year. It is by far the highest level since satellite observations on which the figures depend began in 1979. It represents the latest stage in a trend that started ten years ago, and means that an area the size of Greenland, which would normally be open water, is now frozen. The Antarctic surge is so big that overall, although Arctic ice has decreased, the frozen area around both poles is one million square kilometres more than the long-term average.
David Rose, Mail on Sunday, 06 July 2014
Greenbacks Back Green
President Barack Obama’s aggressive and controversial Climate Action Plan grew out of a draft proposal from one of America’s richest environmental activist groups, it emerged Monday. The Natural Resources Defense Council, which spent $41 million of its $210 million nest egg last year pushing for changes in energy policy, circulated a 110-page document in 2012 that outlined what would become the president’s latest salvo in the global-warming wars. Now that the Obama administration has adopted the green-group’s plan, the NRDC’s insider status is widely seen as an in-your-face response to oil, gas and coal companies that had a seat at the table 13 years ago when then-Vice President Dick Cheney convened meetings in secret to chart future energy policy.
David Martosko, Daily Mail, 8 July 2014
LongQ Was Right Viva This Thread!
Climate policy is a matter of balancing political values and objectives – an issue on which Lord Lawson is indisputably one of the world’s leading authorities and about which the climate scientist knows absolutely nothing. The sooner people grasp that climate change policy is not a scientific question, the sooner our debate on this matter will become a whole lot more rational and balanced.
Andrew Lilico, The Daily Telegraph, 07 July 2014
colonel c said:
McWigglebum4th said:
dickymint said:
just finished a job for a well known brewery - dangerous CO2 levels in the workplace! Guess where we were told to get rid of said deadly gas? Yep straight out the roof Overheard a couple of engineers discussing what other measures could be taken - had to bite my tongue not to say grow tomatoes!! PMSFL
Why?It is a bloody good idea
I can't remember where it is but there is a factory where the CO2 and waste heat go next door into a HUGE tomato greenhouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_UZ-Xg275I
http://www.britishsugar.co.uk/tomatoes.aspx
Except it's not "waste" as there are plenty of other plants that thrive on it
BBC news headlines (sorry !) This morning. Some presenter stood in a garden with the headline something along the lines of dealing with hit summers caused by climate change! Said with a completely straight face.
Where's that picture of batman slapping robin? It's summer you fool! It gets warm! And this summer's hardly been a blow out! It's been quite mild compared to some I remember.
Where's that picture of batman slapping robin? It's summer you fool! It gets warm! And this summer's hardly been a blow out! It's been quite mild compared to some I remember.
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