Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
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Antarctica sets new sea ice record June 2014
At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
turbobloke said:
Antarctica sets new sea ice record June 2014
At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
Just to be a horny-advocate for a moment.At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
Where's all that water coming from?
I'm also glad you said 'new ice record' and not 'unprecedented' but the question still remains, new record since when?
TheExcession said:
turbobloke said:
Antarctica sets new sea ice record June 2014
At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
Just to be a horny-advocate for a moment.At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
Where's all that water coming from?
I'm also glad you said 'new ice record' and not 'unprecedented' but the question still remains, new record since when?
PRTVR said:
I have just said to my wife oh another BBC propaganda show, I don't think we will have to wait long.....
The lady scientist just said that pollution helped lower the frequency of hurricanes, with the air and clouds becoming cleaner, it's rising the hurricane frequency back to where it was. Wasn't what I expected she'd say.Regiment said:
PRTVR said:
I have just said to my wife oh another BBC propaganda show, I don't think we will have to wait long.....
The lady scientist just said that pollution helped lower the frequency of hurricanes, with the air and clouds becoming cleaner, it's rising the hurricane frequency back to where it was. Wasn't what I expected she'd say.Was any mechanism proposed, or was it reasoning by assertion?
Also, you have to wish they'd make their minds up. In the journal Nature Geoscience no less, AGW researchers have already told us that hurricanes and tropical storms will become less frequent by the end of the century as the world warms as a result of climate change.
Less is more.
See also this
mybrainhurts said:
TheExcession said:
turbobloke said:
Antarctica sets new sea ice record June 2014
At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
Just to be a horny-advocate for a moment.At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
Where's all that water coming from?
I'm also glad you said 'new ice record' and not 'unprecedented' but the question still remains, new record since when?
On another note, another big wind farm has just been given the go ahead off the Sussex coast, back of a fag packet calculation, using a 30% rough capacity factor to 'adjust' the 145K houses it will supposedly support, and I reckon it will cost just to build, before financial overrun, about £14K per 'full time supplied house equivalent', if you get my gist. Bargain.
Regiment said:
The lady scientist just said that pollution helped lower the frequency of hurricanes, with the air and clouds becoming cleaner, it's rising the hurricane frequency back to where it was. Wasn't what I expected she'd say.
All bases now covered then - on a "We told you so" basis.The science is surely settled once everything explains everything. Well, it is to a politician who can then claim to be responding to the advice given at the time no matter what chaos the "lawmakers" decisions create for the future.
It seems odd to observe that the UK, like Syria, seems to be having an ISIS moment but ours is based on a major source of "Higher" education within the establishment.
The effect seems to be much the same though perhaps less obviously bloodthirsty in front of the cameras.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Extent/volume, not the same thing.
On another note, another big wind farm has just been given the go ahead off the Sussex coast, back of a fag packet calculation, using a 30% rough capacity factor to 'adjust' the 145K houses it will supposedly support, and I reckon it will cost just to build, before financial overrun, about £14K per 'full time supplied house equivalent', if you get my gist. Bargain.
Don't forget how many conventional power stations can be closed once it is completed.On another note, another big wind farm has just been given the go ahead off the Sussex coast, back of a fag packet calculation, using a 30% rough capacity factor to 'adjust' the 145K houses it will supposedly support, and I reckon it will cost just to build, before financial overrun, about £14K per 'full time supplied house equivalent', if you get my gist. Bargain.
Quick fag packet calculation - None.
Beati Dogu said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Extent/volume, not the same thing.
On another note, another big wind farm has just been given the go ahead off the Sussex coast, back of a fag packet calculation, using a 30% rough capacity factor to 'adjust' the 145K houses it will supposedly support, and I reckon it will cost just to build, before financial overrun, about £14K per 'full time supplied house equivalent', if you get my gist. Bargain.
Don't forget how many conventional power stations can be closed once it is completed.On another note, another big wind farm has just been given the go ahead off the Sussex coast, back of a fag packet calculation, using a 30% rough capacity factor to 'adjust' the 145K houses it will supposedly support, and I reckon it will cost just to build, before financial overrun, about £14K per 'full time supplied house equivalent', if you get my gist. Bargain.
Quick fag packet calculation - None.
king morons end up as politicians.mybrainhurts said:
TheExcession said:
turbobloke said:
Antarctica sets new sea ice record June 2014
At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
Just to be a horny-advocate for a moment.At the same point in time, total global sea ice area stood at over 1 million square kilometers above average.
That 1m sea level rise must have been predicted as a result of the BBC's hot air.
Where's all that water coming from?
I'm also glad you said 'new ice record' and not 'unprecedented' but the question still remains, new record since when?
Colonial said:
Australian parliament just repealed the legislation around a carbon tax.
Has Tony Abbot been burnt in effigy yet? 
Perhaps that would produce too much carbon, so the lentilists would opt for crucifying him in effigy instead. Edited by hidetheelephants on Thursday 17th July 05:47
LongQ said:
Beati Dogu said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Extent/volume, not the same thing.
On another note, another big wind farm has just been given the go ahead off the Sussex coast, back of a fag packet calculation, using a 30% rough capacity factor to 'adjust' the 145K houses it will supposedly support, and I reckon it will cost just to build, before financial overrun, about £14K per 'full time supplied house equivalent', if you get my gist. Bargain.
Don't forget how many conventional power stations can be closed once it is completed.On another note, another big wind farm has just been given the go ahead off the Sussex coast, back of a fag packet calculation, using a 30% rough capacity factor to 'adjust' the 145K houses it will supposedly support, and I reckon it will cost just to build, before financial overrun, about £14K per 'full time supplied house equivalent', if you get my gist. Bargain.
Quick fag packet calculation - None.
"The new power station will be fuelled by a range of independently audited vegetable and plant oils and animal fats which are not fit for human consumption. These are required to meet the sustainability criteria within the Renewable Obligation, a Government scheme designed to encourage generation of electricity from renewable sources. The fuel will be transported direct to the site by ship rather than road."
Guam said:
Imagine if this was fracking, it'd be plastered all over the BBC and Guardian with calls for the destructive energy source to be stopped.
Seems hacking birds to pieces, catching fire, collapsing and exploding is ok if the energy source is 'green'
Guam said:
And currently producing 0.6% of the total Electricity production. It's a good job that aircon use in buildings is not yet "normal" in much of the UK.
On the other hand if current policies persist for 20 years ... the decision makers are seeking something like 30% electricity form renewables - mainly wind presumably - at a time during which they are also excepting (and presumably planning if they are capable in that area) for an increased summer temperature thus suggesting that some form of energy driven cooling will become a requirement. Something like air conditioning.
The existing demand model sees summer time demand at about 70% of winter demand (in rounded figures) which means that all sources other than renewable would need to be available for producing at full capacity for the summer. Currently it looks like many of the coal fires units that are still commissioned are off line with Gas picking up the slack (sounds expensive ... or so we may be told later).
Presumably this represents pre-planned maintenance activity since forecast availability picks up in the next week or two.
So, if running with a narrow 'excess capacity' capability that is ever more problematic when one has no control over the productivity of 30% of the generating capability, options for planned downtime will be different to what we have now. Unless, of course, we double spend and extend subsidies to have aloow availability of backup generation on demand.
No wonder Governments want everyone to think that expensive electricity is a given cost of our futures.
So much for "Too cheap to meter."
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