Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
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Following on from the post by Colonial...
Tony Abbott’s Victory As Aussies Repeal Carbon Tax
After almost a decade of heated political debate, Australia has become the world's first developed nation to repeal carbon laws that put a price on greenhouse gas emissions. In a vote that could highlight the difficulty in implementing additional measures to reduce carbon emissions ahead of global climate talks next year in Paris, Australia's Senate on Wednesday voted 39-32 to repeal a politically divisive carbon emissions price that contributed to the fall from power of three Australian leaders since it was first suggested in 2007.
Rob Taylor and Rhiannon Hoyle, The Wall Street Journal, 17 July 2014
If I could address a few words to the Australian people – you voted to scrap the tax in September last year and today the Parliament finally listened. Today, the tax that you voted to get rid of is finally gone. A useless, destructive tax which damaged jobs, which hurt families' cost of living and which didn't actually help the environment is finally gone.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Canberra, 17 July 2014
Tony Abbott’s Victory As Aussies Repeal Carbon Tax
After almost a decade of heated political debate, Australia has become the world's first developed nation to repeal carbon laws that put a price on greenhouse gas emissions. In a vote that could highlight the difficulty in implementing additional measures to reduce carbon emissions ahead of global climate talks next year in Paris, Australia's Senate on Wednesday voted 39-32 to repeal a politically divisive carbon emissions price that contributed to the fall from power of three Australian leaders since it was first suggested in 2007.
Rob Taylor and Rhiannon Hoyle, The Wall Street Journal, 17 July 2014
If I could address a few words to the Australian people – you voted to scrap the tax in September last year and today the Parliament finally listened. Today, the tax that you voted to get rid of is finally gone. A useless, destructive tax which damaged jobs, which hurt families' cost of living and which didn't actually help the environment is finally gone.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Canberra, 17 July 2014
It actually made f
k all difference to electricuty costs. Unnecessary gold plating of the infrastructure system adds far more cost than the carbon tax.
I pay $180aud a quarter for electricity. Includes hot water and full electric cooking. The carbon tax is a minute amount of my bill.
I work from home 3 days a week. But I'm careful with my usage. It's not hard.
k all difference to electricuty costs. Unnecessary gold plating of the infrastructure system adds far more cost than the carbon tax. I pay $180aud a quarter for electricity. Includes hot water and full electric cooking. The carbon tax is a minute amount of my bill.
I work from home 3 days a week. But I'm careful with my usage. It's not hard.
Colonial said:
It actually made fk all difference to electricuty costs. Unnecessary gold plating of the infrastructure system adds far more cost than the carbon tax.
I pay $180aud a quarter for electricity. Includes hot water and full electric cooking. The carbon tax is a minute amount of my bill.
I work from home 3 days a week. But I'm careful with my usage. It's not hard.
Modelling strikes again...according to the Australian government’s modelling, the previous government that is, carbon pricing will have increased the cost of living in terms of follow-on from the targeting of 'industrial carbon'. Those cost hikes reach consumers via the price rises on various items including food and clothing, adding to any direct cost increases in energy bills.k all difference to electricuty costs. Unnecessary gold plating of the infrastructure system adds far more cost than the carbon tax. I pay $180aud a quarter for electricity. Includes hot water and full electric cooking. The carbon tax is a minute amount of my bill.
I work from home 3 days a week. But I'm careful with my usage. It's not hard.
Whatever the total cost was, it was pointless as it did nothing beneficial in environmental terms.
Today is hot outside.
Sitting in a traffic jam, it suddenly came to me. This is how we stop global warming at stroke...Ready?
Right...we all leave our engines running, open the windows and turn the climate control to full-on cold.
Climate control, get it?
Cold air from millions of cars, cooling the planet...brilliant.
No need for all these complex government shenanigans, stuff carbon, bring back the coal.
I think I just saved the planet. Don't you just love these eureka moments?
God, I'm good....
Sitting in a traffic jam, it suddenly came to me. This is how we stop global warming at stroke...Ready?
Right...we all leave our engines running, open the windows and turn the climate control to full-on cold.
Climate control, get it?
Cold air from millions of cars, cooling the planet...brilliant.
No need for all these complex government shenanigans, stuff carbon, bring back the coal.
I think I just saved the planet. Don't you just love these eureka moments?
God, I'm good....
Colonial said:
I pay $180aud a quarter for electricity. Includes hot water and full electric cooking. The carbon tax is a minute amount of my bill.
I work from home 3 days a week. But I'm careful with my usage. It's not hard.
Much more expensive here in the UK I suspect although to some extent it depends on your situation.I work from home 3 days a week. But I'm careful with my usage. It's not hard.
That said I seem to recall that all proposed and implemented "carbon" taxes are legally progressive, the charges ramping up intentionally over time in the hope of acceptance by the masses since they will likely accept the drip, drip approach.
Remember never to get old to the point where there is little or nothing you can do to fend off the pervasive effects of old legal arrangements and long term fiscal profligacy.
LongQ said:
Guam said:
And currently producing 0.6% of the total Electricity production. It's a good job that aircon use in buildings is not yet "normal" in much of the UK.
On the other hand if current policies persist for 20 years ... the decision makers are seeking something like 30% electricity form renewables - mainly wind presumably - at a time during which they are also excepting (and presumably planning if they are capable in that area) for an increased summer temperature thus suggesting that some form of energy driven cooling will become a requirement. Something like air conditioning.
The existing demand model sees summer time demand at about 70% of winter demand (in rounded figures) which means that all sources other than renewable would need to be available for producing at full capacity for the summer. Currently it looks like many of the coal fires units that are still commissioned are off line with Gas picking up the slack (sounds expensive ... or so we may be told later).
Presumably this represents pre-planned maintenance activity since forecast availability picks up in the next week or two.
So, if running with a narrow 'excess capacity' capability that is ever more problematic when one has no control over the productivity of 30% of the generating capability, options for planned downtime will be different to what we have now. Unless, of course, we double spend and extend subsidies to have aloow availability of backup generation on demand.
No wonder Governments want everyone to think that expensive electricity is a given cost of our futures.
So much for "Too cheap to meter."
Pity it's the middle of the night and the councils street lights are about to go out to save electricity.
Nuclear is running at about half capacity, coal way down and gas is not exactly struggling.
The Interconnects are running just below their respective capacities but I suspect that is more to try to provide means to keep the system stable than because they are needed. There may also be a price influence.
Some of the less seen sources - NPSHYD just trickling a tad out and "Other" which is showing a higher number than I can recall see for some time - seem to be getting a run - presumably for contractual reasons and to help balance the frequency since they are, afaik, mostly fast response resources.
At some point this is all likely to get far too interesting for comfort.
Maybe I am adding 2 and 2 and getting 57.3 but the implications of the BBC giving redundancy notices to all their staff reporters on Panorama means that management can impose their will much more easily.
If you're on a contract then you aren't going to argue as it increases the risk of not being asked back.
The link to this thread is tenuous in the extreme and of course one can think of more than a few staff reporters in various areas that should have had their marching orders long ago. Nobody is going to question the group think.
If you're on a contract then you aren't going to argue as it increases the risk of not being asked back.
The link to this thread is tenuous in the extreme and of course one can think of more than a few staff reporters in various areas that should have had their marching orders long ago. Nobody is going to question the group think.
Watching BBC Breakfast this morning and heard the panic over the 'heatwave' we are now suffering. So a week of warm weather is now a heatwave!
Apparently today will be 'the hottest day since last summer' and in the South East there's a weather warning for 'Rain'.
Is it just me or is all this fuss over a British summer just getting silly. You could almost think there was some kind of hidden (barely) agenda.
Apparently today will be 'the hottest day since last summer' and in the South East there's a weather warning for 'Rain'.
Is it just me or is all this fuss over a British summer just getting silly. You could almost think there was some kind of hidden (barely) agenda.
chris watton said:
dickymint said:
About to watch tonights piss boiler "What's Wrong With Our Weather".
Why do you put yourself through it!Anyway, I'm watching Wheeler Dealers.....
Take it this and the comments summed it up?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/tv-a...
stevejh said:
Watching BBC Breakfast this morning and heard the panic over the 'heatwave' we are now suffering. So a week of warm weather is now a heatwave!
Apparently today will be 'the hottest day since last summer' and in the South East there's a weather warning for 'Rain'.
Is it just me or is all this fuss over a British summer just getting silly. You could almost think there was some kind of hidden (barely) agenda.
As posted on here earlier. Last night; "Horizon: What's wrong with our weather?"Apparently today will be 'the hottest day since last summer' and in the South East there's a weather warning for 'Rain'.
Is it just me or is all this fuss over a British summer just getting silly. You could almost think there was some kind of hidden (barely) agenda.
It's all so very, very exciting!!!!!'
Guam said:
Hole in the Ground?
It was global warming wot done it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-269...
Naah it's linked to fracking in Lancashire It was global warming wot done it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-269...
GWPF said:
Press Release 18/07/14
Owen Paterson To Deliver 2014 Annual GWPF Lecture
The Global Warming Policy Foundation is pleased to announce that the 2014 Annual GWPF Lecture will be delivered by the Rt Hon Owen Paterson MP former Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.
dickymint said:
Had to switch over before Wifey gave me a slap!!
Take it this and the comments summed it up?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/tv-a...
Yes. As one of the comments noted, is was full of vagaries. So many "could be, might be, we think, possibly..." that I was thinking while half-watching it, that it would make a great drinking game. Take it this and the comments summed it up?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/tv-a...
Oh, but we've got increasingly more wonderful computer models! Yes, but that's not evidence and no amount of walking round freezing cold coastlines with soft music playing in the background will change that.
stevejh said:
Watching BBC Breakfast this morning and heard the panic over the 'heatwave' we are now suffering. So a week of warm weather is now a heatwave!
Apparently today will be 'the hottest day since last summer' and in the South East there's a weather warning for 'Rain'.
But as we know Global Warming means it will get colder. So clearly this means AGW is false Apparently today will be 'the hottest day since last summer' and in the South East there's a weather warning for 'Rain'.
Jasandjules said:
stevejh said:
Watching BBC Breakfast this morning and heard the panic over the 'heatwave' we are now suffering. So a week of warm weather is now a heatwave!
Apparently today will be 'the hottest day since last summer' and in the South East there's a weather warning for 'Rain'.
But as we know Global Warming means it will get colder. So clearly this means AGW is false Apparently today will be 'the hottest day since last summer' and in the South East there's a weather warning for 'Rain'.
Yebbut, any weather any time anywhere is due to manmadeup global warming.
Today the weather forecast predicts weather around the globe, this proves manmadeup warming.
There should be grants for that sort of thing. Hang on, there already are
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