Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
As the Veolia spokesman admitted yesterday, sophisticated technology already exists to separate refuse after it has been collected.
I think he means Eastern Europeans? Not that it matters, point being, I had 6 skips of rubbish removed from my site last month and i got a report back from the skip company telling my 98.4% was recycled. On a building site much can be recycled and compared with households we have a much lower % of food waste, but it's not beyond the wit of man to separate waste at a central facility for all types of inert waste.
Why we need to spend resources on a variety of different colour plastic bins and have a fleet of vehicles traversing the country collecting near empty segregated recycling bins is another great example of eco-loons imposing 'Green' measures that actually use more resources than they save.
I think we have a good waste system in my area, black bin for general and a blue for anything recyclable, glass/cardboard/tin etc.. all goes in the one bin. Separating further would just introduce inefficiencies.
I think he means Eastern Europeans? Not that it matters, point being, I had 6 skips of rubbish removed from my site last month and i got a report back from the skip company telling my 98.4% was recycled. On a building site much can be recycled and compared with households we have a much lower % of food waste, but it's not beyond the wit of man to separate waste at a central facility for all types of inert waste.
Why we need to spend resources on a variety of different colour plastic bins and have a fleet of vehicles traversing the country collecting near empty segregated recycling bins is another great example of eco-loons imposing 'Green' measures that actually use more resources than they save.
I think we have a good waste system in my area, black bin for general and a blue for anything recyclable, glass/cardboard/tin etc.. all goes in the one bin. Separating further would just introduce inefficiencies.
"Irony alert – wind turbine involved in petroleum spill at sea"
WUWT said:
Hazard to navigation?
Danish ‘Safety Ship’ OMS Pollux, leaking oil after colliding with Morecambe Bay wind turbine
A SHIP is leaking diesel after crashing into a wind turbine off the coast of Morecambe Bay.
Liverpool Coastguard has been in attendance since just after 9am this morning co-ordinating the recovery of the stricken vessel which collided with part of a turbine at Walney Wind Farm.
walney_wind_farm OMS Pollux has since been leaking marine gas oil, or diesel.
The Danish-registered vessel, with a crew of around 18 on board, remains afloat and there are no reported injuries.
The coastguard revealed that since hitting the turbine pile it has managed to move under its own power to a location north of the port of Liverpool, taking it away from ‘environmentally sensitive areas’.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/15/irony-alert-wind-turbine-involved-in-petroleum-spill-at-sea/Danish ‘Safety Ship’ OMS Pollux, leaking oil after colliding with Morecambe Bay wind turbine
A SHIP is leaking diesel after crashing into a wind turbine off the coast of Morecambe Bay.
Liverpool Coastguard has been in attendance since just after 9am this morning co-ordinating the recovery of the stricken vessel which collided with part of a turbine at Walney Wind Farm.
walney_wind_farm OMS Pollux has since been leaking marine gas oil, or diesel.
The Danish-registered vessel, with a crew of around 18 on board, remains afloat and there are no reported injuries.
The coastguard revealed that since hitting the turbine pile it has managed to move under its own power to a location north of the port of Liverpool, taking it away from ‘environmentally sensitive areas’.
kingofdbrits said:
As the Veolia spokesman admitted yesterday, sophisticated technology already exists to separate refuse after it has been collected.
I think he means Eastern Europeans? Not that it matters, point being, I had 6 skips of rubbish removed from my site last month and i got a report back from the skip company telling my 98.4% was recycled. On a building site much can be recycled and compared with households we have a much lower % of food waste, but it's not beyond the wit of man to separate waste at a central facility for all types of inert waste.
Why we need to spend resources on a variety of different colour plastic bins and have a fleet of vehicles traversing the country collecting near empty segregated recycling bins is another great example of eco-loons imposing 'Green' measures that actually use more resources than they save.
I think we have a good waste system in my area, black bin for general and a blue for anything recyclable, glass/cardboard/tin etc.. all goes in the one bin. Separating further would just introduce inefficiencies.
Exactly so but employing people in public sector climate and enviro nonjobs while forcing the public to bend knees to the green god visibly and in time consuming ways ("it must be important if they're making us do this lot") is part of the wider plan for hoodwinking or hooking people and dominating public perceptions.I think he means Eastern Europeans? Not that it matters, point being, I had 6 skips of rubbish removed from my site last month and i got a report back from the skip company telling my 98.4% was recycled. On a building site much can be recycled and compared with households we have a much lower % of food waste, but it's not beyond the wit of man to separate waste at a central facility for all types of inert waste.
Why we need to spend resources on a variety of different colour plastic bins and have a fleet of vehicles traversing the country collecting near empty segregated recycling bins is another great example of eco-loons imposing 'Green' measures that actually use more resources than they save.
I think we have a good waste system in my area, black bin for general and a blue for anything recyclable, glass/cardboard/tin etc.. all goes in the one bin. Separating further would just introduce inefficiencies.
chris watton said:
"Irony alert – wind turbine involved in petroleum spill at sea"
As befits our calamitous energy policy which is all at sea and sinking fast.
kingofdbrits said:
As the Veolia spokesman admitted yesterday, sophisticated technology already exists to separate refuse after it has been collected.
I think he means Eastern Europeans?
As I've said before, when I was at school and TV had hardly been invented (slight exaggeration) they had documentaries on plant that separated all our rubbish automatically. These days with modern computers and processing line automation it would be far easier and cheaper.I think he means Eastern Europeans?
The demand that people do the separation is unnecessary and vastly wasteful of people's time and water resources etc.
It's almost as though it's not about any need to separate the rubbish, it's about the state wanting to force us to do it like nice little drones.
Mr GrimNasty said:
As I've said before, when I was at school and TV had hardly been invented (slight exaggeration) they had documentaries on plant that separated all our rubbish automatically. These days with modern computers and processing line automation it would be far easier and cheaper.
The demand that people do the separation is unnecessary and vastly wasteful of people's time and water resources etc.
It's almost as though it's not about any need to separate the rubbish, it's about the state wanting to force us to do it like nice little drones.
A Google search and Youtube throw up plenty of automated waste sorting machinery. As you say, it's nothing new.The demand that people do the separation is unnecessary and vastly wasteful of people's time and water resources etc.
It's almost as though it's not about any need to separate the rubbish, it's about the state wanting to force us to do it like nice little drones.
rovermorris999 said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
As I've said before, when I was at school and TV had hardly been invented (slight exaggeration) they had documentaries on plant that separated all our rubbish automatically. These days with modern computers and processing line automation it would be far easier and cheaper.
The demand that people do the separation is unnecessary and vastly wasteful of people's time and water resources etc.
It's almost as though it's not about any need to separate the rubbish, it's about the state wanting to force us to do it like nice little drones.
A Google search and Youtube throw up plenty of automated waste sorting machinery. As you say, it's nothing new.The demand that people do the separation is unnecessary and vastly wasteful of people's time and water resources etc.
It's almost as though it's not about any need to separate the rubbish, it's about the state wanting to force us to do it like nice little drones.
Council contract with third parties for recycling. A deal is struck with a clause that says, for example, all material has to be clean to obtain price A. If it's not clean price B - a considerably lower rate, applies. Seems fair in principle IF there is a genuine reason for price variance.
Naturally the contracted operator wishes always to pay the lower price. So the 'standard' is rarely met.
Council members accept this - it's not their fault after all - and blame the public. It gives them something to puff about in what is left of the local media and makes them feel important. For them ay passing straw will do. Plus they are "on message" about the methods available to control the little drones ... and so it goes.
Veolia is a French company. How they must be laughing in Paris when they see our plight.
From Wikipedia:
"Veolia Environnement S.A. is a French transnational company with activities in four main service and utility areas traditionally managed by public authorities – water supply and water management, waste management, energy and transport services."
Not that that matters - they are all at it.
Climate tax rebates will follow...maybe.
Earth Has Been Warming For 10000 Years Contradicting Studies That Humans Started Global Warming
Was the Earth in a period of global warming or cooling before the 20th century? Attempting to answer this question has thrown up a conundrum for scientists, with some studies showing a warming trend, while others suggesting it cooled until humans intervened. Now a new study hopes to settle the issue by arguing that data points to the fact that Earth’s climate has been warming over the past 10000 years – long before human activity is thought to have changed the climate. It argues that previous research that showed a cooling trend was wrong because it used contradictory ice core data.
Ellie Zolfagharfard, Daily Mail, 13 August 2014
What if the warmth the world has enjoyed for the past 50 years is the result of solar activity, not man-made CO2? The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and its acolytes pay scant attention to any science, however strong the empirical evidence, that may relegate human causes to a lesser status. If the world does indeed move into a cooling period, its citizens are ill-prepared. Cheap electricity in a colder climate will be critical.
Maurice Newman, The Australian, 14 August 2014
What if?!
Meanwhile...
ACLU & News Organisations Back Mann-Critics In Climate Libel Case
A who’s who of news organizations, as well as the American Civil Liberties Union, have sided with the conservative National Review and the free market Competitive Enterprise Institute in a libel lawsuit brought against them by climate scientist Michael Mann. In an amicus brief filed on Monday, the ACLU and news organizations urged the Court to reverse a lower Court ruling that the statute didn’t apply in this case. They argued that it would be a blow to freedom of the press should Mann prevail. While Mann essentially claims that he can silence critics because he is “right” the judicial system should not be the arbiter of either scientific truth or correct public policy. While amici may not necessarily agree with the content of a defendants’ speech, they believe that, if left to stand, the decision will chill the expression of opinion on a wide range of important scientific and public policy issues, and therefore urge that it be reversed.
Sean Higgins, Washington Examiner, 13 August 2014
Earth Has Been Warming For 10000 Years Contradicting Studies That Humans Started Global Warming
Was the Earth in a period of global warming or cooling before the 20th century? Attempting to answer this question has thrown up a conundrum for scientists, with some studies showing a warming trend, while others suggesting it cooled until humans intervened. Now a new study hopes to settle the issue by arguing that data points to the fact that Earth’s climate has been warming over the past 10000 years – long before human activity is thought to have changed the climate. It argues that previous research that showed a cooling trend was wrong because it used contradictory ice core data.
Ellie Zolfagharfard, Daily Mail, 13 August 2014
What if the warmth the world has enjoyed for the past 50 years is the result of solar activity, not man-made CO2? The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and its acolytes pay scant attention to any science, however strong the empirical evidence, that may relegate human causes to a lesser status. If the world does indeed move into a cooling period, its citizens are ill-prepared. Cheap electricity in a colder climate will be critical.
Maurice Newman, The Australian, 14 August 2014
What if?!
Meanwhile...
ACLU & News Organisations Back Mann-Critics In Climate Libel Case
A who’s who of news organizations, as well as the American Civil Liberties Union, have sided with the conservative National Review and the free market Competitive Enterprise Institute in a libel lawsuit brought against them by climate scientist Michael Mann. In an amicus brief filed on Monday, the ACLU and news organizations urged the Court to reverse a lower Court ruling that the statute didn’t apply in this case. They argued that it would be a blow to freedom of the press should Mann prevail. While Mann essentially claims that he can silence critics because he is “right” the judicial system should not be the arbiter of either scientific truth or correct public policy. While amici may not necessarily agree with the content of a defendants’ speech, they believe that, if left to stand, the decision will chill the expression of opinion on a wide range of important scientific and public policy issues, and therefore urge that it be reversed.
Sean Higgins, Washington Examiner, 13 August 2014
rovermorris999 said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
As I've said before, when I was at school and TV had hardly been invented (slight exaggeration) they had documentaries on plant that separated all our rubbish automatically. These days with modern computers and processing line automation it would be far easier and cheaper.
The demand that people do the separation is unnecessary and vastly wasteful of people's time and water resources etc.
It's almost as though it's not about any need to separate the rubbish, it's about the state wanting to force us to do it like nice little drones.
A Google search and Youtube throw up plenty of automated waste sorting machinery. As you say, it's nothing new.The demand that people do the separation is unnecessary and vastly wasteful of people's time and water resources etc.
It's almost as though it's not about any need to separate the rubbish, it's about the state wanting to force us to do it like nice little drones.
Some of the politics I deal with at work are arguments that i don't need to separate waste on site beyond metal/wood/rubble/general, though we do have plasterboard skips when required. We have to register with Considerate Constructors and to gain points they like to see separate recycling bins in the canteen, which would either end in it all getting thrown in the general skip or i'd have to drive to a recycling centre when the plastic bin got full, in my 25mpg petrol car. Again, when you look at the big picture it's just more resources used in the name of saving the planet, which is typical of the whole movement which i find more than annoying.
The scheme also gives extra points for solar panels and car charging points, i won't start moaning about the scheme, but it is another example of a business exploiting CAGW to make money.
It looks like there could be another TGGWS type documentary on the way.
http://www.climatehustle.org/
http://www.climatehustle.org/
mybrainhurts said:
Fight to the death with John Prescott, winner gets the firing squad....
Far too quick and clean a death for him IMHO. A man who has cost many thousands their lives as they cannot afford to heat their homes and damaged millions of acres of land, forests and rivers mining for materials to build products to solve a problem that does not exist, not to mention hundreds of millions of taxpayer's money wasted, deserves far worse.
It seems enterprising Spaniards have worked out a way of getting solar to generate at night. They simply plug in a diesel generator and hey presto you can supply electricity and more importantly pick up the feed in tariff all through the hours of darkness.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/17/nobody-expec...
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/17/nobody-expec...
chris watton said:
"Irony alert – wind turbine involved in petroleum spill at sea"
turbobloke said:
As befits our calamitous energy policy which is all at sea and sinking fast.
Much as I hate wind turbines, it is a 30m high, stationary object. If a boat/ship collides with it, there is only one culprit and it's not the bird disposal unit.DocJock said:
chris watton said:
"Irony alert – wind turbine involved in petroleum spill at sea"
turbobloke said:
As befits our calamitous energy policy which is all at sea and sinking fast.
Much as I hate wind turbines, it is a 30m high, stationary object. If a boat/ship collides with it, there is only one culprit and it's not the bird disposal unit.
DocJock said:
chris watton said:
"Irony alert – wind turbine involved in petroleum spill at sea"
turbobloke said:
As befits our calamitous energy policy which is all at sea and sinking fast.
Much as I hate wind turbines, it is a 30m high, stationary object. If a boat/ship collides with it, there is only one culprit and it's not the bird disposal unit.Green Energy Policy In Germany Beginning To Strangle The Economy
Chancellor Angela Merkel’s abrupt exit from nuclear energy after the Fukushima disaster in Japan and aggressive push into renewables has unnerved German industry. A recent overhaul of the country’s complex renewable energy law has done little to alleviate uncertainty over future policy or assuage fears about German energy competitiveness. “Energy intensive industries in particular have lost confidence in the future of Germany as a business location,” said Thomas Mayer, a former chief economist at Deutsche Bank.
Reuters, 16 August 2014
German Greens Frothing At The Gills
The Green Party has criticised Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, for cancelling her attendance at the UN Climate Summit on 23 September in New York and accused her of giving preference to lobby interests. "Instead of fighting for global climate protection on the international stage, she rather goes to speak to the lobby group of German industry which is not known to be a haven of climate change activism," said the party's parliamentary deputy Oliver Krischer.
Die Welt, 15 August 2014
Chancellor Angela Merkel’s abrupt exit from nuclear energy after the Fukushima disaster in Japan and aggressive push into renewables has unnerved German industry. A recent overhaul of the country’s complex renewable energy law has done little to alleviate uncertainty over future policy or assuage fears about German energy competitiveness. “Energy intensive industries in particular have lost confidence in the future of Germany as a business location,” said Thomas Mayer, a former chief economist at Deutsche Bank.
Reuters, 16 August 2014
German Greens Frothing At The Gills
The Green Party has criticised Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, for cancelling her attendance at the UN Climate Summit on 23 September in New York and accused her of giving preference to lobby interests. "Instead of fighting for global climate protection on the international stage, she rather goes to speak to the lobby group of German industry which is not known to be a haven of climate change activism," said the party's parliamentary deputy Oliver Krischer.
Die Welt, 15 August 2014
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