Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
jshell said:
kerplunk said:
Can't interests converge then?
Why would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
My own view is that this all started with trying to reduce dependancy on middle east oil reserves and then the law of unintended consequences kicked in beautifully and created this absolute fWhy would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
king mess of lies...motco said:
jshell said:
kerplunk said:
Can't interests converge then?
Why would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
My own view is that this all started with trying to reduce dependancy on middle east oil reserves and then the law of unintended consequences kicked in beautifully and created this absolute fWhy would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
king mess of lies...'You imagine it's about saving the world from an increase in temperature of 1 or 2 degrees C? Don't make me laugh. Of course it's not. It's about oil and gas, political and economic control of energy in general, it's about buttfking all those problematic producers of oil/gas (OPEC, Malaysia, ex-USSR etc) and especially rendering the Middle east medieval, keeping the third world countries in bare feet and dependent on handouts, arresting the growth of the developing countries wherever and however possible, feathering nests and lining pockets and creating a world gubbermint via a new and seriously punitive tax regime. It is, in essence, a neo-marxist, redistribution of wealth scam from start to finish. The laughable thing is that advocacy groups and NGOs like Greenpeas, Fiends of the Earth and WWF believe they're driving the agenda; they are deluding themselves too. They've been bought and are being used like the scientists and they will, when they're no longer useful, be tossed aside.'
jshell said:
kerplunk said:
Can't interests converge then?
Why would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
My own view is that this all started with trying to reduce dependancy on middle east oil reserves and then the law of unintended consequences kicked in beautifully and created this absolute fWhy would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
king mess of lies...The need for careful consideration of the potential long term side-effects of this...
...is self-justifying and requires no 'otherness'.
Diderot said:
motco said:
jshell said:
kerplunk said:
Can't interests converge then?
Why would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
My own view is that this all started with trying to reduce dependancy on middle east oil reserves and then the law of unintended consequences kicked in beautifully and created this absolute fWhy would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
king mess of lies...'You imagine it's about saving the world from an increase in temperature of 1 or 2 degrees C? Don't make me laugh. Of course it's not. It's about oil and gas, political and economic control of energy in general, it's about buttfking all those problematic producers of oil/gas (OPEC, Malaysia, ex-USSR etc) and especially rendering the Middle east medieval, keeping the third world countries in bare feet and dependent on handouts, arresting the growth of the developing countries wherever and however possible, feathering nests and lining pockets and creating a world gubbermint via a new and seriously punitive tax regime. It is, in essence, a neo-marxist, redistribution of wealth scam from start to finish. The laughable thing is that advocacy groups and NGOs like Greenpeas, Fiends of the Earth and WWF believe they're driving the agenda; they are deluding themselves too. They've been bought and are being used like the scientists and they will, when they're no longer useful, be tossed aside.'
kerplunk said:
jshell said:
kerplunk said:
Can't interests converge then?
Why would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
My own view is that this all started with trying to reduce dependancy on middle east oil reserves and then the law of unintended consequences kicked in beautifully and created this absolute fWhy would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
king mess of lies...The need for careful consideration of the potential long term side-effects of this...
...is self-justifying and requires no 'otherness'.
So, what to do? Continue with wealth redistribution, wind mills, wave generators, carbon capture etc. All of it will still be pissing in the wind in 20 years time.
Even if AGW were real, do you think that anything will actually reduce CO2 output to the extent that global temperaturtes would realistically be reduced?
I don't. So, were it a real issue, then the only possible response is to react to the coming changes.
Britain's Shame: One Million Britons Dead In Winter Scandal
Winter weather has killed a million Brits since the 1980s and will kill a million more by 2050, experts have warned. Age support groups and doctors blame poor housing, high energy bills and pensioner poverty. Many killed by the cold are elderly but the ill, vulnerable and very young also die. A total of 973,000 people died due to winter weather from 1982/83 to 2011/12, Office of National Statistics data for England and Wales shows. ONS data shows another million Brits will be killed by winters by 2050, based on the average of 27,400 cold weather deaths per winter in the last five years.
Alastair Grant, Daily Star, 03 March 2013
Britain’s relentless big freeze has sparked fears of the highest winter death rate for five years. The brutal Arctic blast has seen temperatures plummet to -13C (9F) amid what could be the coldest March for almost three decades. Pensioner groups warned the death rate among Britain’s elderly has already soared this winter with fears it could hit 30,000 which is 6,000 more than last year. The National Federation of Occupational Pensioners (NFOP) said deaths among its members had more than quadrupled since the end of last year.
Nathan Rao, Daily Express, 13 March 2013
Winter weather has killed a million Brits since the 1980s and will kill a million more by 2050, experts have warned. Age support groups and doctors blame poor housing, high energy bills and pensioner poverty. Many killed by the cold are elderly but the ill, vulnerable and very young also die. A total of 973,000 people died due to winter weather from 1982/83 to 2011/12, Office of National Statistics data for England and Wales shows. ONS data shows another million Brits will be killed by winters by 2050, based on the average of 27,400 cold weather deaths per winter in the last five years.
Alastair Grant, Daily Star, 03 March 2013
Britain’s relentless big freeze has sparked fears of the highest winter death rate for five years. The brutal Arctic blast has seen temperatures plummet to -13C (9F) amid what could be the coldest March for almost three decades. Pensioner groups warned the death rate among Britain’s elderly has already soared this winter with fears it could hit 30,000 which is 6,000 more than last year. The National Federation of Occupational Pensioners (NFOP) said deaths among its members had more than quadrupled since the end of last year.
Nathan Rao, Daily Express, 13 March 2013
turbobloke said:
Britain's Shame: One Million Britons Dead In Winter Scandal
Winter weather has killed a million Brits since the 1980s and will kill a million more by 2050, experts have warned. Age support groups and doctors blame poor housing, high energy bills and pensioner poverty. Many killed by the cold are elderly but the ill, vulnerable and very young also die. A total of 973,000 people died due to winter weather from 1982/83 to 2011/12, Office of National Statistics data for England and Wales shows. ONS data shows another million Brits will be killed by winters by 2050, based on the average of 27,400 cold weather deaths per winter in the last five years.
Alastair Grant, Daily Star, 03 March 2013
Britain’s relentless big freeze has sparked fears of the highest winter death rate for five years. The brutal Arctic blast has seen temperatures plummet to -13C (9F) amid what could be the coldest March for almost three decades. Pensioner groups warned the death rate among Britain’s elderly has already soared this winter with fears it could hit 30,000 which is 6,000 more than last year. The National Federation of Occupational Pensioners (NFOP) said deaths among its members had more than quadrupled since the end of last year.
Nathan Rao, Daily Express, 13 March 2013
Kerplunk will surely be along shorty to justify increased fuel bills as a consequence of Green subsidies.Winter weather has killed a million Brits since the 1980s and will kill a million more by 2050, experts have warned. Age support groups and doctors blame poor housing, high energy bills and pensioner poverty. Many killed by the cold are elderly but the ill, vulnerable and very young also die. A total of 973,000 people died due to winter weather from 1982/83 to 2011/12, Office of National Statistics data for England and Wales shows. ONS data shows another million Brits will be killed by winters by 2050, based on the average of 27,400 cold weather deaths per winter in the last five years.
Alastair Grant, Daily Star, 03 March 2013
Britain’s relentless big freeze has sparked fears of the highest winter death rate for five years. The brutal Arctic blast has seen temperatures plummet to -13C (9F) amid what could be the coldest March for almost three decades. Pensioner groups warned the death rate among Britain’s elderly has already soared this winter with fears it could hit 30,000 which is 6,000 more than last year. The National Federation of Occupational Pensioners (NFOP) said deaths among its members had more than quadrupled since the end of last year.
Nathan Rao, Daily Express, 13 March 2013
What's a few thousand British pensioners' lives worth, compared to saving the whole goddamned planet?
Eh KP?
Blib said:
Kerplunk will surely be along shorty to justify increased fuel bills as a consequence of Green subsidies.
What's a few thousand British pensioners' lives worth, compared to saving the whole goddamned planet?
Eh KP?
Matthew 16:26 - For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?What's a few thousand British pensioners' lives worth, compared to saving the whole goddamned planet?
Eh KP?
I wonder if the new green religion has a different bible......jshell said:
kerplunk said:
jshell said:
kerplunk said:
Can't interests converge then?
Why would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
My own view is that this all started with trying to reduce dependancy on middle east oil reserves and then the law of unintended consequences kicked in beautifully and created this absolute fWhy would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
king mess of lies...The need for careful consideration of the potential long term side-effects of this...
...is self-justifying and requires no 'otherness'.
So, what to do? Continue with wealth redistribution, wind mills, wave generators, carbon capture etc. All of it will still be pissing in the wind in 20 years time.
Even if AGW were real, do you think that anything will actually reduce CO2 output to the extent that global temperaturtes would realistically be reduced?
I don't. So, were it a real issue, then the only possible response is to react to the coming changes.
kerplunk said:
they might decide free market capitalism has utterly failed to look after the farm and what you fear now (state control/socialism etc) will come in spades later. Just a thought!
What..? After its recent spectacular collapse...? And a young generation that rejects control more than any of its forebears..?mybrainhurts said:
kerplunk said:
they might decide free market capitalism has utterly failed to look after the farm and what you fear now (state control/socialism etc) will come in spades later. Just a thought!
What..? After its recent spectacular collapse...? And a young generation that rejects control more than any of its forebears..?kerplunk said:
mybrainhurts said:
kerplunk said:
they might decide free market capitalism has utterly failed to look after the farm and what you fear now (state control/socialism etc) will come in spades later. Just a thought!
What..? After its recent spectacular collapse...? And a young generation that rejects control more than any of its forebears..?kerplunk said:
they might decide free market capitalism has utterly failed to look after the farm
You are Jonathon Hangdog Flappy Jowls Porritt AICMTP.
Such notions concerning capitalism are deluded and wide of the mark, of course - the failed ideologies of socialism and environ mentalism are causing far more problems, for the poor and the elderly in particular, and 'the planet'.
turbobloke said:
You are Jonathon Hangdog Flappy Jowls Porritt AICMTP.
Such notions concerning capitalism are deluded and wide of the mark, of course - the failed ideologies of socialism and environ mentalism are causing far more problems, for the poor and the elderly in particular, and 'the planet'.
Hip, Hip, Hoorah...
jshell said:
kerplunk said:
jshell said:
kerplunk said:
Can't interests converge then?
Why would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
My own view is that this all started with trying to reduce dependancy on middle east oil reserves and then the law of unintended consequences kicked in beautifully and created this absolute fWhy would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
king mess of lies...The need for careful consideration of the potential long term side-effects of this...
...is self-justifying and requires no 'otherness'.
So, what to do? Continue with wealth redistribution, wind mills, wave generators, carbon capture etc. All of it will still be pissing in the wind in 20 years time.
Even if AGW were real, do you think that anything will actually reduce CO2 output to the extent that global temperaturtes would realistically be reduced?
I don't. So, were it a real issue, then the only possible response is to react to the coming changes.
As I see it, there are rather few players (and we are a smaller playe) willing to spend vast sums of money on reducing their CO2 and it will all be for naught because the bigger and more numerous players are plowing on regardless not paying any attention (or maybe lip service) to it.
What we save, they will replace in multiple. It will have cost us and future generations a fortune and yet the outcome will not change.
Regardless of whether AGW is true or not, the very best chance of any measures working are if the whole world is joining in to make the changes. As it stands, most of the world isn't (because the science is full of billy bull s
tters) and so whatever is done by the few who decide to take it on is futile.Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Thursday 14th March 17:02
mybrainhurts said:
kerplunk said:
mybrainhurts said:
kerplunk said:
they might decide free market capitalism has utterly failed to look after the farm and what you fear now (state control/socialism etc) will come in spades later. Just a thought!
What..? After its recent spectacular collapse...? And a young generation that rejects control more than any of its forebears..?kerplunk said:
mybrainhurts said:
kerplunk said:
mybrainhurts said:
kerplunk said:
they might decide free market capitalism has utterly failed to look after the farm and what you fear now (state control/socialism etc) will come in spades later. Just a thought!
What..? After its recent spectacular collapse...? And a young generation that rejects control more than any of its forebears..?Oh...
Bugger....
kerplunk said:
Your reading comprehension isn't very good (again). He's clearly referring to his use of 'we' in the CG2 readme file and clarifying that he was using the 'papal plural' (aka 'the royal we'). For example in CG2 he says "We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such as…" leading to speculation there was more than one person sifting the email tranche prior to release.
In this latest he makes clear he had no help - "I prepared CG1 & 2 alone".
I don't know, but I'm guessing he/she/them may indulge in subterfuge and dissembling to disguise their identity?In this latest he makes clear he had no help - "I prepared CG1 & 2 alone".
hidetheelephants said:
kerplunk said:
Your reading comprehension isn't very good (again). He's clearly referring to his use of 'we' in the CG2 readme file and clarifying that he was using the 'papal plural' (aka 'the royal we'). For example in CG2 he says "We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such as…" leading to speculation there was more than one person sifting the email tranche prior to release.
In this latest he makes clear he had no help - "I prepared CG1 & 2 alone".
I don't know, but I'm guessing he/she/them may indulge in subterfuge and dissembling to disguise their identity?In this latest he makes clear he had no help - "I prepared CG1 & 2 alone".
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