Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2

[turbobloke]

Australian Met Office Accused Of Manipulating Temperature Records To Turn Cooling Into Warming

The [Australian] Bureau of Meteorology has been accused of manipulating historic temperature records to fit a predetermined view of global warming. Researcher Jennifer Marohasy claims the adjusted records resemble “propaganda” rather than science. Dr Marohasy has analysed the raw data from dozens of locations across Australia and matched it against the new data used by BOM showing that temperatures were progressively warming. In many cases, Dr Marohasy said, temperature trends had changed from slight cooling to dramatic warming over 100 years.

Graham Lloyd, The Australian, 23 August 2014

[Andy Zarse]

Like I'm supposed to be surprised or horrified or whatever?

[mybrainhurts]

turbobloke said:

Australian Met Office Accused Of Manipulating Temperature Records To Turn Cooling Into Warming

The [Australian] Bureau of Meteorology has been accused of manipulating historic temperature records to fit a predetermined view of global warming. Researcher Jennifer Marohasy claims the adjusted records resemble “propaganda” rather than science. Dr Marohasy has analysed the raw data from dozens of locations across Australia and matched it against the new data used by BOM showing that temperatures were progressively warming. In many cases, Dr Marohasy said, temperature trends had changed from slight cooling to dramatic warming over 100 years.

Graham Lloyd, The Australian, 23 August 2014

Talking about OZ, the late John Daly used pull station data together.

http://www.john-daly.com/stations/stations.htm

[LongQ]

mybrainhurts said:

turbobloke said:

Australian Met Office Accused Of Manipulating Temperature Records To Turn Cooling Into Warming

The [Australian] Bureau of Meteorology has been accused of manipulating historic temperature records to fit a predetermined view of global warming. Researcher Jennifer Marohasy claims the adjusted records resemble “propaganda” rather than science. Dr Marohasy has analysed the raw data from dozens of locations across Australia and matched it against the new data used by BOM showing that temperatures were progressively warming. In many cases, Dr Marohasy said, temperature trends had changed from slight cooling to dramatic warming over 100 years.

Graham Lloyd, The Australian, 23 August 2014

Talking about OZ, the late John Daly used pull station data together.

http://www.john-daly.com/stations/stations.htm

Hmm. Reading his stuff was one of the influences that piqued my interest and got me looking at "official" information in a new way.

I wonder what he would have felt about the events of the 10 years since his passing?

It seems amazing that it has been that long.

Edited by LongQ on Saturday 23 August 23:08

[motco]

turbobloke said:

Leonardo on climate. Stick to the day job is what comes to mind, and go back to school if time allows.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/08/21/leonardo-di...

We should only listen to an actor when they're speaking the lines of a playwright. Otherwise they are ordinary ignorant people with an ego distorted by fame.

[LongQ]

I think we may need a new thread for the Psychology of Climate Change - especially its effect on scientist.


http://petapixel.com/2014/08/22/portraits-scared-s...


Quite why a photography oriented web site feels a need to push the CC Horror message when talking about a relatively competent set of black and white portraits of hardly heard of people in some sort of scientific endeavour is unclear to me. That it should do so, however, suggests a somewhat insidious oozing of attempts at influence to a purely emotional response level that bypasses the usual scientific and political arenas used to try to influence public opinion.

[Foxeh]

How did it slip through the net?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...

A return to our forgotten past?

[nelly1]

Foxeh said:

How did it slip through the net?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...

A return to our forgotten past?

But...but, from January...

Article said:

Dr Harrison said: "Our findings show that the Cairngorm mountains were probably home to a number of small glaciers during the last few hundred years - around 11,000 years later than previous evidence has suggested.

"It may be that such glaciers also existed in the Scottish Highlands and elsewhere during other cold periods after the main ice sheets had disappeared."

He added: "Present climate warming means there is little chance of a return of glacier ice to the Highlands for the foreseeable future."

Funny stuff this warming...

[motco]

I was on Ben Nevis in 1973 in July and there was a substantial amount of snow in gullies.

[jurbie]

How many times do we have to click both those links to get them appearing next to each other in the most popular side bar?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...

[dandarez]

Apparently last night was the coldest August night on record in N. Ireland (Katesbridge) -1.9C

Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record.

Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci
'was' an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer.

Leonardo DiCaprio
'is' a ......................
fill in the missing word.

[deeps]

Due to the cold August we were discussing global cooling in the pub last night. I questioned why one chap was telling me that cooling is actually part of global warming. It turns out he had seen it on the BBC.

The power of BBC propaganda - so strong that it can make otherwise intelligent people believe nonsense.

[voyds9]

It's worse than we thought (again)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2889...

Natural methane vents discovered on sea bed adding to global warming.

[rovermorris999]

voyds9 said:

It's worse than we thought (again)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2889...

Natural methane vents discovered on sea bed adding to global warming.

So if there's loads of methane causing the non-existant warming CO2 isn't as bad as thought then.

[turbobloke]

rovermorris999 said:

voyds9 said:

It's worse than we thought (again)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2889...

Natural methane vents discovered on sea bed adding to global warming.

So if there's loads of methane causing the non-existant warming CO2 isn't as bad as thought then.

Like carbon dioxide, methane follows temperature. It's not causal.

This is from Monnin et al, time runs right to left. Other studies get a similar reult. Both CO2 and CH4 are shown, click to enlarge.

[LongQ]

voyds9 said:

It's worse than we thought (again)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2889...

Natural methane vents discovered on sea bed adding to global warming.

Is it me or is the BBC report more than a little confusing?

"There are concerns that these new seeps could be making a hitherto unnoticed contribution to global warming."

Why have they gone "unnoticed" when the Science is supposedly settled?

"The scientists have observed streams of bubbles but they have not yet sampled the gas within them.

However, they believe there is an abundance of circumstantial evidence pointing to methane. "

So it might not be methane at all? This is a scientific press release? They may well be right but that is hardly the point.

Much of the rest of McGrath's report suggests that the original paper must highly speculative.

Scientist says:

""But it is important to say we simply don't have any evidence in this paper to suggest that any carbon coming from these seeps is entering the atmosphere.""

However as yet I have not read it and McGrath has not indicated that the people involved are screaming about the dangers of warming.

McGrath writes:

"While the vents may not be posing an immediate global warming threat, the sheer number means that our calculations on the potential sources of greenhouse gases may need revising."

So, is the article mostly BBC spin trying to establish in the minds of the masses a causal link between the alleged warming seas and the 'lost heat' being the source of the gas release? And then are they implying that this might be a previously unknown feedback mechanism?

It's time to read the paper I suppose.

Or it might be if one had access. The summary looks a bit turgid. And somewhat speculative to my reading. It would be the sort of thing I would expect to see if the authors were pitching for funding. Especially Big Utility funding if, as written up by McGrath, it covers possible energy recovery options in some depth.

Edited by LongQ on Monday 25th August 13:03

[rovermorris999]

Another 'unknown unknown' appears. No doubt there are many more despite 'the science is settled'.

[chris watton]

Always digging up new fuel to keep their tax payer funded gravy train moving - and still too many swallow the crap they're spoon-fed...

[turbobloke]

LongQ said:

"There are concerns that these new seeps could be making a hitherto unnoticed contribution to global warming."

Why have they gone "unnoticed" when the Science is supposedly settled?

The climate models had it covered all along.

[mybrainhurts]

dandarez said:

Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record

Whoever it was at the Beeb who said that will have been put before a firing squad by now...