Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
Beati Dogu said:
Is Al Gore on holiday here at the moment or something? Cold weather seems to follow him like jack Frost.
Don't know but his presence is being felt, so to speak.The cold has to be good for business, right?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-2733...
Mr GrimNasty said:
mybrainhurts said:
dandarez said:
Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record
Whoever it was at the Beeb who said that will have been put before a firing squad by now...
Kawasicki said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
mybrainhurts said:
dandarez said:
Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record
Whoever it was at the Beeb who said that will have been put before a firing squad by now...Looked at in terms of relevant timescales, not at all.
There's nothing unprecedented about the present era.
I have posted this link in the Science thread which is where it really belongs but it has relevance here as well.
BBC Radio 4
Everything We Know Is Wrong.
It's about how science works, attempts (rare it seems) at replicating results and the pressures that researchers are under to publish something, preferably not too contentious.
Should be of interest to all here. Probably, if the analysis provided can be verified and replicated, should be compulsory listening.
BBC Radio 4
Everything We Know Is Wrong.
It's about how science works, attempts (rare it seems) at replicating results and the pressures that researchers are under to publish something, preferably not too contentious.
Should be of interest to all here. Probably, if the analysis provided can be verified and replicated, should be compulsory listening.
Thought I might plonk this here........
Years ago I learned a very cool thing about Robin Williams, and I couldn’t watch a movie of his afterward without thinking of it. I never actually booked Robin Williams for an event, but I came close enough that his office sent over his rider. For those outside of the entertainment industry, a rider lists out an artist’s specific personal and technical needs for hosting them for an event- anything from bottled water and their green room to sound and lighting requirements. You can learn a lot about a person from their rider. This is where rocks bands list their requirement for green M&Ms (which is actually a surprisingly smart thing to do). This is also where a famous environmentalist requires a large gas-guzzling private jet to fly to the event city, but then requires an electric or hybrid car to take said environmentalist to the event venue when in view of the public.
When I got Robin Williams’ rider, I was very surprised by what I found. He actually had a requirement that for every single event or film he did, the company hiring him also had to hire a certain number of homeless people and put them to work. I never watched a Robin Williams movie the same way after that. I’m sure that on his own time and with his own money, he was working with these people in need, but he’d also decided to use his clout as an entertainer to make sure that production companies and event planners also learned the value of giving people a chance to work their way back. I wonder how many production companies continued the practice into their next non-Robin Williams project, as well as how many people got a chance at a job and the pride of earning an income, even temporarily, from his actions. He was a great multiplier of his impact. Let’s hope that impact lives on without him. Thanks, Robin Williams- not just for laughs, but also for a cool example.
Years ago I learned a very cool thing about Robin Williams, and I couldn’t watch a movie of his afterward without thinking of it. I never actually booked Robin Williams for an event, but I came close enough that his office sent over his rider. For those outside of the entertainment industry, a rider lists out an artist’s specific personal and technical needs for hosting them for an event- anything from bottled water and their green room to sound and lighting requirements. You can learn a lot about a person from their rider. This is where rocks bands list their requirement for green M&Ms (which is actually a surprisingly smart thing to do). This is also where a famous environmentalist requires a large gas-guzzling private jet to fly to the event city, but then requires an electric or hybrid car to take said environmentalist to the event venue when in view of the public.
When I got Robin Williams’ rider, I was very surprised by what I found. He actually had a requirement that for every single event or film he did, the company hiring him also had to hire a certain number of homeless people and put them to work. I never watched a Robin Williams movie the same way after that. I’m sure that on his own time and with his own money, he was working with these people in need, but he’d also decided to use his clout as an entertainer to make sure that production companies and event planners also learned the value of giving people a chance to work their way back. I wonder how many production companies continued the practice into their next non-Robin Williams project, as well as how many people got a chance at a job and the pride of earning an income, even temporarily, from his actions. He was a great multiplier of his impact. Let’s hope that impact lives on without him. Thanks, Robin Williams- not just for laughs, but also for a cool example.
This week's Costing The Earth on BBC Radio 4 is worth a listen. It's about the air pollution cased by the government created climate change fighting rush for diesel.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r9h
dandarez said:
Apparently last night was the coldest August night on record in N. Ireland (Katesbridge) -1.9C
Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record.
Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci
'was' an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer.
Leonardo DiCaprio
'is' a ......................
fill in the missing word.
it was -2 in aviemore at half 5 in the morning 2 days ago according to a mate .Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record.
Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci
'was' an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer.
Leonardo DiCaprio
'is' a ......................
fill in the missing word.
dickymint said:
Thought I might plonk this here........
Years ago I learned a very cool thing about Robin Williams, and I couldn’t watch a movie of his afterward without thinking of it. I never actually booked Robin Williams for an event, but I came close enough that his office sent over his rider. For those outside of the entertainment industry, a rider lists out an artist’s specific personal and technical needs for hosting them for an event- anything from bottled water and their green room to sound and lighting requirements. You can learn a lot about a person from their rider. This is where rocks bands list their requirement for green M&Ms (which is actually a surprisingly smart thing to do). This is also where a famous environmentalist requires a large gas-guzzling private jet to fly to the event city, but then requires an electric or hybrid car to take said environmentalist to the event venue when in view of the public.
When I got Robin Williams’ rider, I was very surprised by what I found. He actually had a requirement that for every single event or film he did, the company hiring him also had to hire a certain number of homeless people and put them to work. I never watched a Robin Williams movie the same way after that. I’m sure that on his own time and with his own money, he was working with these people in need, but he’d also decided to use his clout as an entertainer to make sure that production companies and event planners also learned the value of giving people a chance to work their way back. I wonder how many production companies continued the practice into their next non-Robin Williams project, as well as how many people got a chance at a job and the pride of earning an income, even temporarily, from his actions. He was a great multiplier of his impact. Let’s hope that impact lives on without him. Thanks, Robin Williams- not just for laughs, but also for a cool example.
Interesting. Thanks for that. Very classy Robin Williams.Years ago I learned a very cool thing about Robin Williams, and I couldn’t watch a movie of his afterward without thinking of it. I never actually booked Robin Williams for an event, but I came close enough that his office sent over his rider. For those outside of the entertainment industry, a rider lists out an artist’s specific personal and technical needs for hosting them for an event- anything from bottled water and their green room to sound and lighting requirements. You can learn a lot about a person from their rider. This is where rocks bands list their requirement for green M&Ms (which is actually a surprisingly smart thing to do). This is also where a famous environmentalist requires a large gas-guzzling private jet to fly to the event city, but then requires an electric or hybrid car to take said environmentalist to the event venue when in view of the public.
When I got Robin Williams’ rider, I was very surprised by what I found. He actually had a requirement that for every single event or film he did, the company hiring him also had to hire a certain number of homeless people and put them to work. I never watched a Robin Williams movie the same way after that. I’m sure that on his own time and with his own money, he was working with these people in need, but he’d also decided to use his clout as an entertainer to make sure that production companies and event planners also learned the value of giving people a chance to work their way back. I wonder how many production companies continued the practice into their next non-Robin Williams project, as well as how many people got a chance at a job and the pride of earning an income, even temporarily, from his actions. He was a great multiplier of his impact. Let’s hope that impact lives on without him. Thanks, Robin Williams- not just for laughs, but also for a cool example.
Isn't the green M&M thing like a check so they can instantly see the rider has actually been read?. So if the promoter has done that, the chances are they've also provided all the technical and safety stuff that actually matters.
wc98 said:
dandarez said:
Apparently last night was the coldest August night on record in N. Ireland (Katesbridge) -1.9C
Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record.
Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci
'was' an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer.
Leonardo DiCaprio
'is' a ......................
fill in the missing word.
it was -2 in aviemore at half 5 in the morning 2 days ago according to a mate .Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record.
Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci
'was' an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer.
Leonardo DiCaprio
'is' a ......................
fill in the missing word.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/archive/monthly-weathe...
On the CET, I was looking at the history of this, and I am now more convinced than ever that it is meaningless/worthless, corrupted by inadequate UHI fiddling and other issues. But I did find some refreshing honesty on the Radcliffe site!
"Two interesting facts are apparent from the Radcliffe temperature time series:
In the 20th century temperatures were generally higher than in the 19th century. This is thought to be an effect of the urban heat island. With the development of the city, more open spaces were built up. This process produced radical changes in the nature of the surface and atmospheric properties of the city. Differences in surface materials, drainage characteristics, sources of heat, configuration of surfaces and pollution acted to change all aspects of the climate of the city, air temperature being affected particularly strongly. Urban heat island effect is the most common example of inadvertent climatic modification.
The post-1986 decade was the warmest decade on record. This fact may be an effect of the interannual climatic variability, or it may be suggestive of climate change. Only time will tell!"
"Two interesting facts are apparent from the Radcliffe temperature time series:
In the 20th century temperatures were generally higher than in the 19th century. This is thought to be an effect of the urban heat island. With the development of the city, more open spaces were built up. This process produced radical changes in the nature of the surface and atmospheric properties of the city. Differences in surface materials, drainage characteristics, sources of heat, configuration of surfaces and pollution acted to change all aspects of the climate of the city, air temperature being affected particularly strongly. Urban heat island effect is the most common example of inadvertent climatic modification.
The post-1986 decade was the warmest decade on record. This fact may be an effect of the interannual climatic variability, or it may be suggestive of climate change. Only time will tell!"
Mr GrimNasty said:
wc98 said:
dandarez said:
Apparently last night was the coldest August night on record in N. Ireland (Katesbridge) -1.9C
Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record.
Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci
'was' an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer.
Leonardo DiCaprio
'is' a ......................
fill in the missing word.
it was -2 in aviemore at half 5 in the morning 2 days ago according to a mate .Beeb now saying this could be coldest August on record.
Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci
'was' an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer.
Leonardo DiCaprio
'is' a ......................
fill in the missing word.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/archive/monthly-weathe...
Dropping down into the valley a few mile from the house I noticed what looked like frost along the verges. Strange I thought. Arriving at the House I headed up the hillside opposite the front of the house but well into the valley and there was indeed a rather thick frost on the very long grass on the hillside. Something I was certainly not expecting in August. Apparently it's not unusual, or so I was told.
turbobloke said:
Leonardo on climate. Stick to the day job is what comes to mind, and go back to school if time allows.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/08/21/leonardo-di...
You can see from the ice bucket challenge what a bunch of fhttp://www.climatedepot.com/2014/08/21/leonardo-di...
king sheep all these actors and politicians are. Very few of them said no way. No wonder so many of them buy into the global warming garbage.Beati Dogu said:
turbobloke said:
Leonardo on climate. Stick to the day job is what comes to mind, and go back to school if time allows.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/08/21/leonardo-di...
You can see from the ice bucket challenge what a bunch of fhttp://www.climatedepot.com/2014/08/21/leonardo-di...
king sheep all these actors and politicians are. Very few of them said no way. No wonder so many of them buy into the global warming garbage.On the other hand the entire concept seems to be based on some sort of public blackmail model. Monty Python got there first!
Quite strange all round.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Bucket_Challenge
The section on criticisms of the challenge is interesting.
It seems that both Obama and Cameron refused the challenge and paid up. That must make them almost sensible. How can that be?
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/2014%20August.htm#vac...
Prof Brignell takes a well earned swipe at the Euroloon vacuum assassins...
Prof Brignell takes a well earned swipe at the Euroloon vacuum assassins...
mybrainhurts said:
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/2014%20August.htm#vac...
Prof Brignell takes a well earned swipe at the Euroloon vacuum assassins...
Low power vacuums may well spell the end of the fitted carpet industry and a boom in laminate floors.Prof Brignell takes a well earned swipe at the Euroloon vacuum assassins...
Of course it is possible that that is what is intended and there may be ulterior motives to the "benefits".
I wonder if we might see after-market fitments for vacuums?
This reminds me of the smaller capacity cisterns for toilets that mostly seem to result in a need to flush several times and then fail to satisfactorily shift material through the drainage systems that, when built, anticipated higher instant flow rates.
What next? Reducing the power of freezers so they don't freeze things?
I have no doubt that many vacuums could be made more efficient ... but that entirely misses the point that the excuse being put forward merely shows an abject lack of proper understanding about how to make any real progress with basic technology. God help us when they get on to the complex stuff.
I doubt these edicts apply to 'workshop' vacuums and industrial extractors, and some of them are small enough for domestic use!
And I'm sure this policy will result in vacuum cleaners that are nominally rated quite low but have a dust kinetic energy recovery system and/or battery packs that are charged up beforehand, so despite being only 500W your vacuum can produce the effect of a 3KW monster, like cars that are apparently rated at next to no CO2 yet sprint to 100mph in under 10 seconds........... hmmmmmmmm.
And I'm sure this policy will result in vacuum cleaners that are nominally rated quite low but have a dust kinetic energy recovery system and/or battery packs that are charged up beforehand, so despite being only 500W your vacuum can produce the effect of a 3KW monster, like cars that are apparently rated at next to no CO2 yet sprint to 100mph in under 10 seconds........... hmmmmmmmm.
Reducing Dependence On Russian Gas Pushes Germany To Coal
Germany will continue to need coal-fired power plants, its energy regulator said, warning that Europe's biggest economy should not rely solely on renewables or risk increasing exposure to Russian gas as it shuts down nuclear plants. "Those who call for an end of coal power generation don't have much interest in a reliable energy policy" Jochen Homann, president of the Federal Network Agency, or BnetzA, told an energy industry conference Wednesday. "We will close further nuclear plants; these capacities need to be replaced" he said, adding that coal power was vital to achieve this.
Reuters, 27 August 2014
Germany will continue to need coal-fired power plants, its energy regulator said, warning that Europe's biggest economy should not rely solely on renewables or risk increasing exposure to Russian gas as it shuts down nuclear plants. "Those who call for an end of coal power generation don't have much interest in a reliable energy policy" Jochen Homann, president of the Federal Network Agency, or BnetzA, told an energy industry conference Wednesday. "We will close further nuclear plants; these capacities need to be replaced" he said, adding that coal power was vital to achieve this.
Reuters, 27 August 2014
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