Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2

[motco]

turbobloke said:

Happy Anniversary & Coming Of Age To The Pause, 01 October 2014 Marks 18 Years Without Global Warming

The Earth’s temperature has “plateaued” and there has been no global warming for at least the last 18 years, says Dr. John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center (ESSC) at the University of Alabama/Huntsville. “That’s basically a fact. There’s not much to comment on,” Christy said when CNSNews.com asked him to remark on the lack of global warming for nearly two decades as of October 1st.
Barbara Hollingsworth, CBS News, 30 September 2014


It's already 19 years old going on 20 in the McKitrick analysis.

Oh how wrong you are! If the Indy says it, it must be true! Where has all the ice gone? Mass gathering of 35,000 walrus is latest sign of global warming



On the other hand... Did climate change create modern man? Ancient temperature shifts made us more intelligent, study claims

Edited by motco on Wednesday 1st October 14:17

[turbobloke]

The bear factor was wearing thin so now we've got the walrus factor.

Any anagram of aw slur must be right

At least the second link refers to climate change in an era when it could only be natural.

[LongQ]

The walrus's have melted the ice?

Or perhaps just walrus gas?

ETA: Sound like the walrus populations are doing pretty well though and no numbers quoted in the article to suggest otherwise.

Edited by LongQ on Wednesday 1st October 15:03

[telecat]

Now We are all going to fall off the Planet!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-277...

[turbobloke]

telecat said:

Now We are all going to fall off the Planet!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-277...

Thanks for that

"The high-resolution measurements from the satellite are further evidence of how manmade climate change will affect the planet in unknown ways"

That elusive manmade climate change causal signal is an unknown, surely worth a mention

Ice sheet loss happens regularly on geological timescales as well as over shorter intervals and ice mass changes are not causally linked to humans anyway.

It's a newspaper article but even so you have to ask how they eliminated magma movements as a possible source. Sub-polar volvanic activity has after all got some role to play in thermal changes and there are geologically active regions under both poles.

Also have they eliminated geomagnetic pole reversal onset, and if so how...we're about 800,000 years down the road since the last one and the average interval between flips is 450,000 years.

[Lotus 50]

turbobloke said:

Also have they eliminated geomagnetic pole reversal onset, and if so how...we're about 800,000 years down the road since the last one and the average interval between flips is 450,000 years.

Interesting point, how would pole reversal (i.e. magnetism) affect gravity, which is surely based on density rather than magnetism?

[LongQ]

It seems that Elon Musk will be saving humanity by abandoning Earth.

Interesting.

So many questions ... but ultimately of no interest to the next couple of generations of pre-survivor pioneers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-277...


I know I won't be around to see it and somehow doubt he will be either.

This "news" is being retailed from various sources ... Obviously there is not much going on in the world.

Edited by LongQ on Wednesday 1st October 19:52

[turbobloke]

Lotus 50 said:

turbobloke said:

Also have they eliminated geomagnetic pole reversal onset, and if so how...we're about 800,000 years down the road since the last one and the average interval between flips is 450,000 years.

Interesting point, how would pole reversal (i.e. magnetism) affect gravity, which is surely based on density rather than magnetism?

I'm not suggesting magemtism is affecting gravity as such, I suspect you're aware of that - my point is based on processes that will affect the gravitational field and magnetic field at the same time.

The main source of the planet's magnetic field is the iron-rich liquid outer core, something I also suspect you're aware of. This is high density so gravitationally relevant, and it has complex movements which are likely to change during a reversal. If the flip mechanism involves this mobile liquid outer core in some way then there may well be effects both magnetic and gravitational in nature as the reversal gets underway. The gravitational aspect would be expected to be weaker, and 'minute' changes is what the researchers are reporting iirc. If this is part of the flip-start we're in for an interesting thousand years, buckle up

[Lotus 50]

Ah OK, see what you mean. The BGS have some interesting info on this on t' web. I'd always thought that the magnetic flips were cyclical/predictable and apparently they aren't. I'd also thought that the flip would be accompanied by us being blitzed by solar radiation etc (also not correct). None the less, navigating by compass might be interesting!

Edited by Lotus 50 on Wednesday 1st October 18:55

[turbobloke]

Lotus 50 said:

Ah OK, see what you mean. The BGS have some interesting info on this on t' web. I'd always thought that the magnetic flips were cyclical/predictable and apparently they aren't. I'd also thought that the flip would be accompanied by us being blitzed by solar radiation etc (also not correct). None the less, navigating by compass might be interesting!

Maybe I should have chosen something else

The point being that measurements of two phenemena are once again being interpreted causally, no doubt because of the climate myth, when we all know that correlation does not imply causation. I gave one mundane alternative, the magma shift (minute gravitational implications) / volcanic activity / heat release / melting ice option and one more exotic alternative, there are probably a handful of possible explanaitons and to go route 1 to global warming as described in the article is hilarious and predicatble. It may well be possible to eliminate one or more of the alternatives, not to do so is weak science but to consider nothing other than global warming is climatewang.

[nelly1]

LongQ said:

It seems that Elon Musk will be saving humanity by abandoning Earth.

Interesting.

It's the Golgafrinchams all over again. Instead of Telephone Sanitisers we can send the True Believers...

Bring it on!

[LongQ]

nelly1 said:

It's the Golgafrinchams all over again. Instead of Telephone Sanitisers we can send the True Believers...

Bring it on!

Hmm.

Brave New Planet?

[nelly1]

LongQ said:

Hmm.

Brave New Planet?

As long as there are lots of hot baths and the chance for a good documentary

[turbobloke]

Political climate blog saves the Walrus

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/10/01/media-hyped...

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

Political climate blog saves the Walrus

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/10/01/media-hyped...

Now that "Stampede" has been mentioned ... was there nnot a case a few years ago where thousands of walrus dies in a stampede possibly instigated by an overflying plane of helicopter full of wildlife folk doing a population count or something similar? Or was it seals? Or am I conflating that with a different story?

[turbobloke]

LongQ said:

turbobloke said:

Political climate blog saves the Walrus

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/10/01/media-hyped...

Now that "Stampede" has been mentioned ... was there nnot a case a few years ago where thousands of walrus dies in a stampede possibly instigated by an overflying plane of helicopter full of wildlife folk doing a population count or something similar? Or was it seals? Or am I conflating that with a different story?

It may well have been walruses, the FAA is currently asking pilots to remain above 2000ft and half a mile away from the Alaska beach walruses to avoid stampede injuries and deaths.

[hidetheelephants]

LongQ said:

The walrus's have melted the ice?

Or perhaps just walrus gas?

Walrus have pretty stinky breath so it's a distinct possibility!

[don4l]

More climate craziness!

This time from the editor of the British Medical Journal, Fiona Godlee.

"Deaths from Ebola infection, tragic and frightening though they are, will pale into insignificance when compared with the mayhem we can expect for our children and grandchildren if the world does nothing to check its carbon emissions. And action is needed now."

Wow!

More Here...

[Otispunkmeyer]

I hate this "carbon" emission nonsense. Carbon pretty much makes up everything. You can't curb an element essential to life! I wish they'd refer to it by its proper name of carbon dioxide or methane or whatever.

Carbon neutral as well... you mean carbon dioxide neutral.

[The Don of Croy]

don4l said:

More climate craziness!

This time from the editor of the British Medical Journal, Fiona Godlee.

"Deaths from Ebola infection, tragic and frightening though they are, will pale into insignificance when compared with the mayhem we can expect for our children and grandchildren if the world does nothing to check its carbon emissions. And action is needed now."

Wow!

More Here...

From her statement are we to believe that the next 60 years are the crucial bit (approx 2 generations) and within that timescale enough 'stuff' will happen to de-stabilise our society? In just 60 years? Why the rush?

Looking at a piece about her in The Lancet she cites Gordon Brown as her fave politician. Why am I not surprised?