Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
The Don of Croy said:
don4l said:
More climate craziness!
This time from the editor of the British Medical Journal, Fiona Godlee.
"Deaths from Ebola infection, tragic and frightening though they are, will pale into insignificance when compared with the mayhem we can expect for our children and grandchildren if the world does nothing to check its carbon emissions. And action is needed now."
Wow!
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From her statement are we to believe that the next 60 years are the crucial bit (approx 2 generations) and within that timescale enough 'stuff' will happen to de-stabilise our society? In just 60 years? Why the rush?This time from the editor of the British Medical Journal, Fiona Godlee.
"Deaths from Ebola infection, tragic and frightening though they are, will pale into insignificance when compared with the mayhem we can expect for our children and grandchildren if the world does nothing to check its carbon emissions. And action is needed now."
Wow!
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Looking at a piece about her in The Lancet she cites Gordon Brown as her fave politician. Why am I not surprised?
Britain’s Green Energy Fiasco Deepens
Families face paying up to £40 extra each year for wind and solar farms to meet climate change targets after the government revised its energy price forecasts. The subsidy required for each unit of renewable electricity will rise after the Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) conceded that gas was much cheaper than it had predicted. A glut of gas on the world market means gas-fired power stations have become cheaper to run, making wind and solar farms comparatively even more expensive.
Tim Webb & Ben Webster, The Times, 03 October 2014
Families face paying up to £40 extra each year for wind and solar farms to meet climate change targets after the government revised its energy price forecasts. The subsidy required for each unit of renewable electricity will rise after the Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) conceded that gas was much cheaper than it had predicted. A glut of gas on the world market means gas-fired power stations have become cheaper to run, making wind and solar farms comparatively even more expensive.
Tim Webb & Ben Webster, The Times, 03 October 2014
Just returned from my hols, had an interesting chat with a Canadian power station engineer, I asked would Canada be building lots of wood fired power stations, as they have lots of wood, although he was now retired he explained that it was not economic, when they calculated the figures they would be cost effective to use the energy used in the transport of the wood, than it would be use wood, the only time it made sense was at lumber mills, where the waste product could be used, this is in a country covered in trees,
I explained to him about the UK switching from coal to wood a fact he was aware of and he just laughed, this just sums up the UK energy policy, a joke.
I know this topic has been covered before but just thought I would share a personal conversation with somebody with an understanding of the subject.
I explained to him about the UK switching from coal to wood a fact he was aware of and he just laughed, this just sums up the UK energy policy, a joke.
I know this topic has been covered before but just thought I would share a personal conversation with somebody with an understanding of the subject.
PRTVR said:
Just returned from my hols, had an interesting chat with a Canadian power station engineer, I asked would Canada be building lots of wood fired power stations, as they have lots of wood, although he was now retired he explained that it was not economic, when they calculated the figures they would be cost effective to use the energy used in the transport of the wood, than it would be use wood, the only time it made sense was at lumber mills, where the waste product could be used, this is in a country covered in trees,
I explained to him about the UK switching from coal to wood a fact he was aware of and he just laughed, this just sums up the UK energy policy, a joke.
I know this topic has been covered before but just thought I would share a personal conversation with somebody with an understanding of the subject.
Iirc the economic argument for the use of ethanol in fuel is much the same. If the source material has to travel more than 50 mile to the production facility the economics fail. Double fail if the output has to travel more than 50 miles to the point of use.I explained to him about the UK switching from coal to wood a fact he was aware of and he just laughed, this just sums up the UK energy policy, a joke.
I know this topic has been covered before but just thought I would share a personal conversation with somebody with an understanding of the subject.
It won't stop the idiots in the EU mandating it use and causing excess maintenance costs for millions of owners of older vehicles unsuited to the use of ethanol and increases purchase costs to new buyers who have to pay for the technology to use the stuff reliably, etc.
Still, I suppose it it their way of increasing the costs of proven fuels to meet and exceed the future price point of electric vehicles - their dream of the future.
Jasandjules said:
reading that made me want to scream ,complete and utter f
kwits. 36 carcasses already spotted this year,well fk me ,that is not bad going out of 35 k for animals that live in one of the most hostile environments in the world. they do not even have enough observed information on wlarus to say if populations are increasing or decreasing, but they can say with certainty bad st is happening to them. 9mm said:
I always thought of National Geographic as a pretty highbrow publication. Dear God, not after reading that.
Once upon a time it certainly seemed to be that sort of publication, though whether it was entirely avoiding advocacy might, with hindsight, be questionable.But as with so many things as soon people start to 'tolerate' different approaches any publication will change not the least because a "respected brand" is an obvious target for activists to attempt a takeover by people placement. Then let the advocacy begin ...
There have been some interesting posts form Dr. Richard North about greening the energy policy in the last few days.
Worth reading and thinking about, certainly.
The renewables agenda exposed
Whatever happened to shale gas?
The costs of carbon capture and storage in Canada
It really is time that someone blew the final whistle on these silly games our leader play.
Worth reading and thinking about, certainly.
The renewables agenda exposed
Whatever happened to shale gas?
The costs of carbon capture and storage in Canada
It really is time that someone blew the final whistle on these silly games our leader play.
BBC news article assumption of the day:-
"Because the sea absorbs 90% of the heat caused by human activity,......."
BBC most unimpressive scientific statement of the day:-
"But to attribute exactly where that heat's going, and whether it'll pop back out or not,........"
But the latest folks is that that oceans didn't bury all the heat deep, they just floated it all on the top.......
This article is so bad, I'm surprised the BBC even ran it, but I guess the propaganda conveyor belt needs feeding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2947...
"Because the sea absorbs 90% of the heat caused by human activity,......."
BBC most unimpressive scientific statement of the day:-
"But to attribute exactly where that heat's going, and whether it'll pop back out or not,........"
But the latest folks is that that oceans didn't bury all the heat deep, they just floated it all on the top.......
This article is so bad, I'm surprised the BBC even ran it, but I guess the propaganda conveyor belt needs feeding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2947...
LongQ said:
9mm said:
I always thought of National Geographic as a pretty highbrow publication. Dear God, not after reading that.
Once upon a time it certainly seemed to be that sort of publication, though whether it was entirely avoiding advocacy might, with hindsight, be questionable.But as with so many things as soon people start to 'tolerate' different approaches any publication will change not the least because a "respected brand" is an obvious target for activists to attempt a takeover by people placement. Then let the advocacy begin ...
I had a subscription for years, it's been cancelled for years.
UK Business Minister Finally Admits Green Taxes Are Damaging British Businesses
Green taxes on energy are undermining British businesses by imposing costs which are not faced by international competitors, Vince Cable has said. He said that British firms are "struggling" to compete with their international rivals on price, which is leading to work going abroad. "Many of our manufacturing companies and exporters – particularly in areas like steel and cement and others which consume lots of electricity – are struggling against international competition because of the cost of energy.
Steven Swinford, The Daily Telegraph, 05 October 2014
GWPF Calls On Government To Suspend Fourth Carbon Budget
The Global Warming Policy Forum has welcomed Vince Cable’s belated admission that the government’s climate policy is damaging British businesses. “At a time when most major economies are turning to cheap and abundant fossil fuels, Britain alone seems prepared to risk its economic competitiveness by adopting policies that are making energy ever more expensive,” said Dr Benny Peiser, the GWPF’s director. “Given the manifest reluctance of major economies to follow Britain’s unilateral policy, the government should now suspend the fourth carbon budget and all post-2020 climate targets,” he added.
Global Warming Policy Forum, 06 October 2014
This week saw the 18th anniversary since the Earth's temperature last rose - something that Dr Benny Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Forum, says experts are struggling to understand. Scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) once predicted a temperature rise of 0.2 degrees per decade - but are now baffled by the fact our planet's temperature has not increased for almost two decades. Speaking exclusively to Express.co.uk, Dr Peiser said: "What has happened is that the public has become more sceptical because they were told we are facing Doomsday, and suddenly they realise ‘Where is the warming that we were promised?’"
Levi Winchester, Daily Express, 06 October 2014
Good to see the Forum at work alongside the Foundation.
Green taxes on energy are undermining British businesses by imposing costs which are not faced by international competitors, Vince Cable has said. He said that British firms are "struggling" to compete with their international rivals on price, which is leading to work going abroad. "Many of our manufacturing companies and exporters – particularly in areas like steel and cement and others which consume lots of electricity – are struggling against international competition because of the cost of energy.
Steven Swinford, The Daily Telegraph, 05 October 2014
GWPF Calls On Government To Suspend Fourth Carbon Budget
The Global Warming Policy Forum has welcomed Vince Cable’s belated admission that the government’s climate policy is damaging British businesses. “At a time when most major economies are turning to cheap and abundant fossil fuels, Britain alone seems prepared to risk its economic competitiveness by adopting policies that are making energy ever more expensive,” said Dr Benny Peiser, the GWPF’s director. “Given the manifest reluctance of major economies to follow Britain’s unilateral policy, the government should now suspend the fourth carbon budget and all post-2020 climate targets,” he added.
Global Warming Policy Forum, 06 October 2014
This week saw the 18th anniversary since the Earth's temperature last rose - something that Dr Benny Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Forum, says experts are struggling to understand. Scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) once predicted a temperature rise of 0.2 degrees per decade - but are now baffled by the fact our planet's temperature has not increased for almost two decades. Speaking exclusively to Express.co.uk, Dr Peiser said: "What has happened is that the public has become more sceptical because they were told we are facing Doomsday, and suddenly they realise ‘Where is the warming that we were promised?’"
Levi Winchester, Daily Express, 06 October 2014
Good to see the Forum at work alongside the Foundation.
turbobloke said:
UK Business Minister Finally Admits Green Taxes Are Damaging British Businesses
Green taxes on energy are undermining British businesses by imposing costs which are not faced by international competitors, Vince Cable has said. He said that British firms are "struggling" to compete with their international rivals on price, which is leading to work going abroad. "Many of our manufacturing companies and exporters – particularly in areas like steel and cement and others which consume lots of electricity – are struggling against international competition because of the cost of energy.
Steven Swinford, The Daily Telegraph, 05 October 2014
GWPF Calls On Government To Suspend Fourth Carbon Budget
The Global Warming Policy Forum has welcomed Vince Cable’s belated admission that the government’s climate policy is damaging British businesses. “At a time when most major economies are turning to cheap and abundant fossil fuels, Britain alone seems prepared to risk its economic competitiveness by adopting policies that are making energy ever more expensive,” said Dr Benny Peiser, the GWPF’s director. “Given the manifest reluctance of major economies to follow Britain’s unilateral policy, the government should now suspend the fourth carbon budget and all post-2020 climate targets,” he added.
Global Warming Policy Forum, 06 October 2014
This week saw the 18th anniversary since the Earth's temperature last rose - something that Dr Benny Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Forum, says experts are struggling to understand. Scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) once predicted a temperature rise of 0.2 degrees per decade - but are now baffled by the fact our planet's temperature has not increased for almost two decades. Speaking exclusively to Express.co.uk, Dr Peiser said: "What has happened is that the public has become more sceptical because they were told we are facing Doomsday, and suddenly they realise ‘Where is the warming that we were promised?’"
Levi Winchester, Daily Express, 06 October 2014
Good to see the Forum at work alongside the Foundation.
thank fGreen taxes on energy are undermining British businesses by imposing costs which are not faced by international competitors, Vince Cable has said. He said that British firms are "struggling" to compete with their international rivals on price, which is leading to work going abroad. "Many of our manufacturing companies and exporters – particularly in areas like steel and cement and others which consume lots of electricity – are struggling against international competition because of the cost of energy.
Steven Swinford, The Daily Telegraph, 05 October 2014
GWPF Calls On Government To Suspend Fourth Carbon Budget
The Global Warming Policy Forum has welcomed Vince Cable’s belated admission that the government’s climate policy is damaging British businesses. “At a time when most major economies are turning to cheap and abundant fossil fuels, Britain alone seems prepared to risk its economic competitiveness by adopting policies that are making energy ever more expensive,” said Dr Benny Peiser, the GWPF’s director. “Given the manifest reluctance of major economies to follow Britain’s unilateral policy, the government should now suspend the fourth carbon budget and all post-2020 climate targets,” he added.
Global Warming Policy Forum, 06 October 2014
This week saw the 18th anniversary since the Earth's temperature last rose - something that Dr Benny Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Forum, says experts are struggling to understand. Scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) once predicted a temperature rise of 0.2 degrees per decade - but are now baffled by the fact our planet's temperature has not increased for almost two decades. Speaking exclusively to Express.co.uk, Dr Peiser said: "What has happened is that the public has become more sceptical because they were told we are facing Doomsday, and suddenly they realise ‘Where is the warming that we were promised?’"
Levi Winchester, Daily Express, 06 October 2014
Good to see the Forum at work alongside the Foundation.
k for that . now we just have to shoot ed davey and build some new power stations,preferably gas,coal or nuclear.LongQ said:
9mm said:
I always thought of National Geographic as a pretty highbrow publication. Dear God, not after reading that.
Once upon a time it certainly seemed to be that sort of publication, though whether it was entirely avoiding advocacy might, with hindsight, be questionable.But as with so many things as soon people start to 'tolerate' different approaches any publication will change not the least because a "respected brand" is an obvious target for activists to attempt a takeover by people placement. Then let the advocacy begin ...
Mr GrimNasty said:
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This article is so bad, I'm surprised the BBC even ran it, but I guess the propaganda conveyor belt needs feeding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2947...
Now I'm confused - the article states that deep ocean is not heating, but contradicts this by saying they only monitor down to 2km. So if >2km down it's boiling they're not picking it up...?This article is so bad, I'm surprised the BBC even ran it, but I guess the propaganda conveyor belt needs feeding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2947...
Also, they are comparing data from Argo floats for one area with satellite readings - which sounds like conflating tree ring data with observed temp data to come up with a result.
Lastly, how does the satellite data - bouncing a signal off the surface and recording the distance? - allow for tides, swell, and the enormous thermal expansion below that might (or might not) be blending with other layers through processes and methods as yet undiscovered?
A pre-assessment of Ed Davey's likely lecture at the Lib Dims conference today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2783061/...
It's quite a good read and good to see the issues becoming part of the public debate. Probably no great surprises to most people here though.
That said I had understood that the Drax fuel was meant to be coming from Canada. It seems not.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2783061/...
It's quite a good read and good to see the issues becoming part of the public debate. Probably no great surprises to most people here though.
That said I had understood that the Drax fuel was meant to be coming from Canada. It seems not.
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