Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
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wc98 said:
turbobloke said:
TransverseTight said:
turbobloke said:
"(the models have) quite accurately predicted the rates of warming over the last 40 years or so".
That explains why we were all advised well in advance about the ongoing 19 year 'pause' in global warming, and that it was due tothe oceans eating Trenberth green plants talking too much.
Has anyone got a model for predicting future climate stability?That explains why we were all advised well in advance about the ongoing 19 year 'pause' in global warming, and that it was due to
I could do one in excel, quite easy really ... years along the top, Stick 21 deg in cell B1. Then do B2=B1, B3=B2 etc etc.
I'm not sure it would pass the IPCC review process though. I think it would pass the PH scientific scrutiny test though. ;-)
PH demands are high.A 20 year 'pause' has a vanishingly small probability in climatemodelworld.
On the McKitrick analysis we're very nearly there, vanishing in uncharted waters ho ho ho and not those that ate Trenberth.
Look at the hockeystick with the synthetic bolt-on bit removed.
Poland To Veto EU’s 40% CO2 Reduction Proposal
New Unilateral CO2 Targets Would ‘Destroy European Industry’ Poland Warns
'If the EU summit next week maintains the European Commission’s proposal on reducing carbon dioxide emissions by 40 percent by 2030, Poland will have to veto it, Deputy Prime Minister and Economy Minister Janusz Piechocinski told Polish Radio on Thursday. “If this initial proposal will look as it does now, then Poland will have no choice but to veto it,” Piechocinski said. “For the Polish economy minister and the majority of EU economy ministers the 40-percent option, which destroys half of Europe’s industry, is unacceptable,” he added.'
Warsaw Business Journal, 16 October 2014
'Poland’s Economy Minister and Deputy PM Janusz Piechocinski has said that the EU’s proposal on CO2 emissions reduction would “destroy European industry”. “Europe shouldn’t be naïve, and it shouldn’t decide on anything which would be harmful for European industry,” Piechocinski told Polish Radio, Thursday morning.'
Polish Radio, 16 October 2014
New Unilateral CO2 Targets Would ‘Destroy European Industry’ Poland Warns
'If the EU summit next week maintains the European Commission’s proposal on reducing carbon dioxide emissions by 40 percent by 2030, Poland will have to veto it, Deputy Prime Minister and Economy Minister Janusz Piechocinski told Polish Radio on Thursday. “If this initial proposal will look as it does now, then Poland will have no choice but to veto it,” Piechocinski said. “For the Polish economy minister and the majority of EU economy ministers the 40-percent option, which destroys half of Europe’s industry, is unacceptable,” he added.'
Warsaw Business Journal, 16 October 2014
'Poland’s Economy Minister and Deputy PM Janusz Piechocinski has said that the EU’s proposal on CO2 emissions reduction would “destroy European industry”. “Europe shouldn’t be naïve, and it shouldn’t decide on anything which would be harmful for European industry,” Piechocinski told Polish Radio, Thursday morning.'
Polish Radio, 16 October 2014
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
New Unilateral CO2 Targets Would ‘Destroy European Industry’ Poland Warns
Warsaw Business Journal, 16 October 2014
That's the whole idea, isn't it?Warsaw Business Journal, 16 October 2014
"Britain needs political climate change to cut soaring energy bills
Targets for renewables are unattainable, futile – and will cost us trillions of pounds"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/11169831/B...
Charles Moore seems to write sense..
Targets for renewables are unattainable, futile – and will cost us trillions of pounds"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/11169831/B...
Charles Moore seems to write sense..
chris watton said:
"Britain needs political climate change to cut soaring energy bills
Targets for renewables are unattainable, futile – and will cost us trillions of pounds"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/11169831/B...
Charles Moore seems to write sense..
He sure does, and if I remember correctly, he didn't "pause" once Targets for renewables are unattainable, futile – and will cost us trillions of pounds"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/11169831/B...
Charles Moore seems to write sense..
Remember that ridiculous Greenpeace video aimed at Lego a few months back? It worked -
'The world's biggest toymaker Lego ends its partnership with Shell after a Greenpeace online video campaign goes viral, attracting almost six million views '
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/viral-vi...
'The world's biggest toymaker Lego ends its partnership with Shell after a Greenpeace online video campaign goes viral, attracting almost six million views '
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/viral-vi...
Silver Smudger said:
Remember that ridiculous Greenpeace video aimed at Lego a few months back? It worked -
'The world's biggest toymaker Lego ends its partnership with Shell after a Greenpeace online video campaign goes viral, attracting almost six million views '
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/viral-vi...
Presumably they will still be making their little plastic bricks out of evil hydrocarbons wrested from the earth's bosom by rapine oil companies though?'The world's biggest toymaker Lego ends its partnership with Shell after a Greenpeace online video campaign goes viral, attracting almost six million views '
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/viral-vi...
This may have been covered already but if I've missed it then here's a pearoast...the twin nuclear reactors at Heysham 1 and Hartlepool have been shut down for ~2 years after cracks were discovered in a boiler at the Heysham site, making it even more likely than previously thought that the lights will soon go out. Fortunately we have renewables to save us 
turbobloke said:
This may have been covered already but if I've missed it then here's a pearoast...the twin nuclear reactors at Heysham 1 and Hartlepool have been shut down for ~2 years after cracks were discovered in a boiler at the Heysham site, making it even more likely than previously thought that the lights will soon go out. Fortunately we have renewables to save us
Well If it takes a power cut or two and it focuses feeble minds and our political elite on the folly of our present energy policy then great, the sooner this nonsensical rubbish about Co2And manmade climate change will be scrapped or at least watered down (hopefully!!!)
Full transcript of Owen Paterson's address to the GWPF this week :
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/o...
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/o...
hidetheelephants said:
Solar farm subsidies all trussed up - excellent move.Angela Merkel Casts Doubt Over EU Climate Summit
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has dampened expectations about the EU climate summit next week. It was “still open whether it would succeed to adopt the Climate and Energy Framework 2030 next week or later,” Merkel said in a government statement to parliament. In light of these differences, the Chancellor called for patience with hesitant countries. It was right, “to take into account the specific circumstances of all member states and not to ask too much of anyone”. Merkel pointed out that EU climate targets would have to be adopted unanimously. Poland in particular is balking at ambitious [unilateral] CO2 targets.
Der Stern, 17 October 2014
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has dampened expectations about the EU climate summit next week. It was “still open whether it would succeed to adopt the Climate and Energy Framework 2030 next week or later,” Merkel said in a government statement to parliament. In light of these differences, the Chancellor called for patience with hesitant countries. It was right, “to take into account the specific circumstances of all member states and not to ask too much of anyone”. Merkel pointed out that EU climate targets would have to be adopted unanimously. Poland in particular is balking at ambitious [unilateral] CO2 targets.
Der Stern, 17 October 2014
Hmm.
The Energy situation is about to get more interesting.
With the 2 split nukes out of action for 2 years the available spare capacity to predicted demand shrunk somewhat.
Now I see that there are reports of a huge fire at Didcot B. No doubt that will also be out of action for an extended period.
I must remember to check the graph on the bmreports site next Wednesday - the day, iirc, when the long term margin is updated. Of course they may not be in a position to know much by then ...
It's funny how stuff just seem to happen now and then.
The Energy situation is about to get more interesting.
With the 2 split nukes out of action for 2 years the available spare capacity to predicted demand shrunk somewhat.
Now I see that there are reports of a huge fire at Didcot B. No doubt that will also be out of action for an extended period.
I must remember to check the graph on the bmreports site next Wednesday - the day, iirc, when the long term margin is updated. Of course they may not be in a position to know much by then ...
It's funny how stuff just seem to happen now and then.
Looks pretty bad. Now all we need is an arctic vortex; I'm glad I've got a generator at home, along with a huge pile of wood and a stove to burn it in.
Edited by hidetheelephants on Monday 20th October 04:49
A worthwhile read, if a little hyped, on the the "green blob". Who is in the middle? None other than the right dishonourable Anthony Charles Lynton Blair. Where there is money and power to be had, Blair is attached liked a creepy smiling, hand open, memory deficient leech.
David Keighley: Climate change alarmism. Another obsession of an unaccountable elite
David Keighley: Climate change alarmism. Another obsession of an unaccountable elite
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Monday 20th October 10:48
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