Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
dickymint said:
Mann snookered as it turns out to be a 'Hickory Stick' (taken from the comments).......
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/12/5/t...
Lovely.http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/12/5/t...
Treemometers, just awesome
turbobloke said:
dickymint said:
Mann snookered as it turns out to be a 'Hickory Stick' (taken from the comments).......
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/12/5/t...
Lovely.http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/12/5/t...
Treemometers, just awesome
dickymint said:
turbobloke said:
dickymint said:
Mann snookered as it turns out to be a 'Hickory Stick' (taken from the comments).......
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/12/5/t...
Lovely.http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/12/5/t...
Treemometers, just awesome
It's something I'd never branch out into.
India Won’t Sign Climate Deal That Threatens Its Economic Growth
India will not sign any deal to cut greenhouse gas emissions at UN climate talks in Lima that threatens its growth or undermines its fight against poverty, the environment minister said Friday. The minister branded poverty as the worst kind of environmental disaster which "needs to be eradicated immediately", adding that no one should dispute the right of the poorest members of society to have access to energy. "Poor people have aspirations we must fulfil them, we must give them energy access," he said.
AFP, 05 December 2014
Japanese CO2 Emissions Hit Record As Climate Action Misses The Spot
About $1 billion in Japanese funding that Japan claimed was part of a UN initiative to help developing countries take action against climate change went, unnoticed, towards Japanese companies for the construction of three coal-fired power plants, the Associated Press reported Monday. The slip-up highlights major gaps in oversight when it comes to funding climate projects in developing countries. The three power plant projects, built in Indonesia by Japanese companies, were listed as “climate finance.” But the UN has no formal definition of what constitutes legitimate climate finance, nor does it have a watchdog agency to ensure climate dollars end up in appropriate places.
Zoe Schlanger, Newsweek, 02 December 2014
Germany Set For Near Record Coal Imports
Germany is set to import around 50 million tonnes of hard coal in 2014 which would be just below last year’s record of 51 million tonnes, coal importers’ lobby VDKI said in a statement. Coal generation is still the backbone of German power supply in a country set on moving away from nuclear power and favouring renewable energy over fossil fuels. The country in January to September used hard coal for 43 percent of coal generation, of which 17 percent was hard coal and 26 percent domestic brown coal, industry statistics showed. With power prices historically low, generators are opting to burn more coal instead of more expensive gas.
Business Recorder, 05 December 2014
India will not sign any deal to cut greenhouse gas emissions at UN climate talks in Lima that threatens its growth or undermines its fight against poverty, the environment minister said Friday. The minister branded poverty as the worst kind of environmental disaster which "needs to be eradicated immediately", adding that no one should dispute the right of the poorest members of society to have access to energy. "Poor people have aspirations we must fulfil them, we must give them energy access," he said.
AFP, 05 December 2014
Japanese CO2 Emissions Hit Record As Climate Action Misses The Spot
About $1 billion in Japanese funding that Japan claimed was part of a UN initiative to help developing countries take action against climate change went, unnoticed, towards Japanese companies for the construction of three coal-fired power plants, the Associated Press reported Monday. The slip-up highlights major gaps in oversight when it comes to funding climate projects in developing countries. The three power plant projects, built in Indonesia by Japanese companies, were listed as “climate finance.” But the UN has no formal definition of what constitutes legitimate climate finance, nor does it have a watchdog agency to ensure climate dollars end up in appropriate places.
Zoe Schlanger, Newsweek, 02 December 2014
Germany Set For Near Record Coal Imports
Germany is set to import around 50 million tonnes of hard coal in 2014 which would be just below last year’s record of 51 million tonnes, coal importers’ lobby VDKI said in a statement. Coal generation is still the backbone of German power supply in a country set on moving away from nuclear power and favouring renewable energy over fossil fuels. The country in January to September used hard coal for 43 percent of coal generation, of which 17 percent was hard coal and 26 percent domestic brown coal, industry statistics showed. With power prices historically low, generators are opting to burn more coal instead of more expensive gas.
Business Recorder, 05 December 2014
I just love how the disabled of this country (including terminally ill!) are told to get to work or have their benefits cut, yet we can p**s billions down the drain on this s***e.
If the scum in power do actually want to redistribute the wealth (and not just more into their own troughs) they seem to be going the wrong way about it.
If the scum in power do actually want to redistribute the wealth (and not just more into their own troughs) they seem to be going the wrong way about it.
Oh my, the stupids are getting ever more stupidy.
I refer to yesterday's (or maybe the day befores) panic announcements of the " hottest ever year".
Sky news were all over it like tramps on a five pound note, the numbskull Tania Bryer nodding sagely in agreement when her co-numpty remarked that " you can really feel the heat in the summers now".
Well Duh!
Dumb meets dumbest evaaaar!
I refer to yesterday's (or maybe the day befores) panic announcements of the " hottest ever year".
Sky news were all over it like tramps on a five pound note, the numbskull Tania Bryer nodding sagely in agreement when her co-numpty remarked that " you can really feel the heat in the summers now".
Well Duh!
Dumb meets dumbest evaaaar!
4v6 said:
Oh my, the stupids are getting ever more stupidy.
I refer to yesterday's (or maybe the day befores) panic announcements of the " hottest ever year".
Sky news were all over it like tramps on a five pound note, the numbskull Tania Bryer nodding sagely in agreement when her co-numpty remarked that " you can really feel the heat in the summers now".
Well Duh!
Dumb meets dumbest evaaaar!
I refer to yesterday's (or maybe the day befores) panic announcements of the " hottest ever year".
Sky news were all over it like tramps on a five pound note, the numbskull Tania Bryer nodding sagely in agreement when her co-numpty remarked that " you can really feel the heat in the summers now".
Well Duh!
Dumb meets dumbest evaaaar!
http://video.ft.com/3849476780001/Under-the-weathe...
Leonardo Dickcrapio talking b
ks to world politicians.
Reported by the FT, FFS...
Leonardo Dickcrapio talking b
ks to world politicians.Reported by the FT, FFS...
Jasandjules said:
4v6 said:
the numbskull Tania Bryer nodding sagely in agreement when her co-numpty remarked that " you can really feel the heat in the summers now".
It absolutely has not been hotter over the last couple of summers than previous years. Did she really say that? Really...?
mybrainhurts said:
Jasandjules said:
4v6 said:
the numbskull Tania Bryer nodding sagely in agreement when her co-numpty remarked that " you can really feel the heat in the summers now".
It absolutely has not been hotter over the last couple of summers than previous years. Did she really say that? Really...?
in saying that,last winter was the mildest i can ever remember ,no doubt at some point in the near future we will pay for that with several feet of snow like 2010 ,when a mate that lives near st cyrus on the east coast was snowed in for two weeks.
wc98 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Jasandjules said:
4v6 said:
the numbskull Tania Bryer nodding sagely in agreement when her co-numpty remarked that " you can really feel the heat in the summers now".
It absolutely has not been hotter over the last couple of summers than previous years. Did she really say that? Really...?
in saying that,last winter was the mildest i can ever remember ,no doubt at some point in the near future we will pay for that with several feet of snow like 2010 ,when a mate that lives near st cyrus on the east coast was snowed in for two weeks.
"Climate Change … Who Cares?"
So, the army of pro MMGW/CC orcs have done a fantastic job over the years in convincing people what an absolute croc it is!
Well done!
WUWT said:
Thanks to the blog of the irrepressible Hilary Ostrov, a long-time WUWT commenter, I found out about a poll gone either horribly wrong or totally predictably depending on your point of view. It’s a global poll done by the United Nations, with over six million responses from all over the planet, and guess what?
The revealed truth is that of the sixteen choices given to people regarding what they think are the important issues in their lives, climate change is dead last. Not only that, but in every sub-category, by age, by sex, by education, by country grouping, it’s right down at the bottom of the list. NOBODY thinks it’s important.
Now, people are always saying how the US is some kind of outlier in this regard, because polls in the US always put climate change down at the bottom, whereas polls in Europe generally rate it somewhat higher. But this is a global poll, with people chiming in from all over the planet. The top fifteen countries, in order of the number of people voting, were Mexico, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Yemen, Philippines, Thailand, Cameroon, United States, Ghana, Rwanda, Brazil, Jordan, and Morocco … so this appears to be truly representative of the world, which is mostly non-industrialized nations.
So the next time someone tries to claim that climate change is “the most important challenge facing the world” … point them to the website of the study, and gently inform them that the rest of the world doesn’t buy that kind of alarmist hogwash for one minute. People are not as stupid as their leaders think, folks know what’s important and what’s trivial in their lives, and trying to control the climate is definitely in the latter group.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/05/climate-chan...
The revealed truth is that of the sixteen choices given to people regarding what they think are the important issues in their lives, climate change is dead last. Not only that, but in every sub-category, by age, by sex, by education, by country grouping, it’s right down at the bottom of the list. NOBODY thinks it’s important.
Now, people are always saying how the US is some kind of outlier in this regard, because polls in the US always put climate change down at the bottom, whereas polls in Europe generally rate it somewhat higher. But this is a global poll, with people chiming in from all over the planet. The top fifteen countries, in order of the number of people voting, were Mexico, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Yemen, Philippines, Thailand, Cameroon, United States, Ghana, Rwanda, Brazil, Jordan, and Morocco … so this appears to be truly representative of the world, which is mostly non-industrialized nations.
So the next time someone tries to claim that climate change is “the most important challenge facing the world” … point them to the website of the study, and gently inform them that the rest of the world doesn’t buy that kind of alarmist hogwash for one minute. People are not as stupid as their leaders think, folks know what’s important and what’s trivial in their lives, and trying to control the climate is definitely in the latter group.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/05/climate-chan...
So, the army of pro MMGW/CC orcs have done a fantastic job over the years in convincing people what an absolute croc it is!
Well done!
chris watton said:
Good spot 
That result is totally predictable and Click
It looks as though the believer voting robots were asleep on this one, or unable to make a dent in the truth for once.
From the comments at WUWT:
Thats hilarious – the time is not far off when they’ll either stop doing these polls from sheer embarrassment, or just rig them to show the “right” answer.
“Rig” is the wrong word. The correct word is “adjustment”.
Nope. Homogenize.
It may be worth checking back to see if somebody added Nope. Substitution.
Thats hilarious – the time is not far off when they’ll either stop doing these polls from sheer embarrassment, or just rig them to show the “right” answer.
“Rig” is the wrong word. The correct word is “adjustment”.
Nope. Homogenize.
It may be worth checking back to see if somebody added Nope. Substitution.
Harvard Law Professor Takes Obama Back To School On EPA CAGW Ruling
Harvard University law professor Laurence Tribe, a mentor to President Barack Obama, said the administration’s carbon rule for power plants is “a remarkable example of executive overreach” that raises “serious constitutional questions.”
Tribe, who submitted joint comments to the Environmental Protection Agency with coal producer Peabody Energy Corp (BTU:US), said the Agency should withdraw its plan to cut emissions from power plants because it reverses decades of federal support for coal.
“The proposed Rule lacks any legal basis and should be withdrawn,” Tribe and Peabody wrote in their filing, which law firms for the company said was submitted to EPA on the Dec 1st deadline. Peabody, the nation’s largest coal producer, has declined more than 44 percent in trading since the EPA plan was unveiled at the beginning of June.
Bloomberg, 05 December 2014
Tribe joined with the world’s largest private coal company, Peabody Energy , to criticize the “executive overreach” of the Environmental Protection Agency’s proposed rule to regulate carbon emissions from existing power plants. In joint comments filed with the EPA, the professor accuses the agency of abusing statutory law, violating the Constitution’s Article I, Article II, the separation of powers, the Tenth and Fifth Amendments, and in general displaying contempt for the law.
The Clean Air Act doesn’t give the Administration the authority the EPA claims to impose its climate crackdown on existing power plants by effectively eradicating coal power. The EPA instead uses—in Mr. Tribe’s words—“a hitherto obscure provision” of the Clean Air Act, known as Section 111, to justify its actions. Such legal scavenging is a characteristic of this Administration, and rarely has it been so thoroughly dismantled.
“The Proposed rule rests on a fatally flawed interpretation of Section 111. According to EPA . . . Congress effectively created two different versions of Section 111, and the agency should be allowed to pick and choose which version it wishes to enforce,” writes Mr. Tribe. “According to EPA, since 1990 the U.S. Code has reflected the wrong version of Section 111, and EPA has discovered a mistake [made by Congress]. According to EPA, both the D.C. Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court have previously misinterpreted Section 111. According to EPA, the two different versions of Section 111 have created ‘ambiguity’ triggering deference to the agency’s [interpretation]. Every part of this narrative is flawed.”
We quote Mr. Tribe at length because the Administration likes to dismiss concerns about its extralegal exertions as partisan or political. But Mr. Tribe shows that there are genuine issues about the law and democratic process at stake.
He writes that even if EPA’s theory of two versions of Section 111 were correct, the agency’s “claim that it is entitled to pick and choose which version it prefers represents an attempt to seize lawmaking power that belongs to Congress. Under Article I, Article II, and the separation of powers, EPA lacks the ability to make law.” Mr. Tribe adds, icily, that a “presidential speech” is insufficient to claim such authority.
Wall St Journal, 05 December 2014
Harvard University law professor Laurence Tribe, a mentor to President Barack Obama, said the administration’s carbon rule for power plants is “a remarkable example of executive overreach” that raises “serious constitutional questions.”
Tribe, who submitted joint comments to the Environmental Protection Agency with coal producer Peabody Energy Corp (BTU:US), said the Agency should withdraw its plan to cut emissions from power plants because it reverses decades of federal support for coal.
“The proposed Rule lacks any legal basis and should be withdrawn,” Tribe and Peabody wrote in their filing, which law firms for the company said was submitted to EPA on the Dec 1st deadline. Peabody, the nation’s largest coal producer, has declined more than 44 percent in trading since the EPA plan was unveiled at the beginning of June.
Bloomberg, 05 December 2014
Tribe joined with the world’s largest private coal company, Peabody Energy , to criticize the “executive overreach” of the Environmental Protection Agency’s proposed rule to regulate carbon emissions from existing power plants. In joint comments filed with the EPA, the professor accuses the agency of abusing statutory law, violating the Constitution’s Article I, Article II, the separation of powers, the Tenth and Fifth Amendments, and in general displaying contempt for the law.
The Clean Air Act doesn’t give the Administration the authority the EPA claims to impose its climate crackdown on existing power plants by effectively eradicating coal power. The EPA instead uses—in Mr. Tribe’s words—“a hitherto obscure provision” of the Clean Air Act, known as Section 111, to justify its actions. Such legal scavenging is a characteristic of this Administration, and rarely has it been so thoroughly dismantled.
“The Proposed rule rests on a fatally flawed interpretation of Section 111. According to EPA . . . Congress effectively created two different versions of Section 111, and the agency should be allowed to pick and choose which version it wishes to enforce,” writes Mr. Tribe. “According to EPA, since 1990 the U.S. Code has reflected the wrong version of Section 111, and EPA has discovered a mistake [made by Congress]. According to EPA, both the D.C. Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court have previously misinterpreted Section 111. According to EPA, the two different versions of Section 111 have created ‘ambiguity’ triggering deference to the agency’s [interpretation]. Every part of this narrative is flawed.”
We quote Mr. Tribe at length because the Administration likes to dismiss concerns about its extralegal exertions as partisan or political. But Mr. Tribe shows that there are genuine issues about the law and democratic process at stake.
He writes that even if EPA’s theory of two versions of Section 111 were correct, the agency’s “claim that it is entitled to pick and choose which version it prefers represents an attempt to seize lawmaking power that belongs to Congress. Under Article I, Article II, and the separation of powers, EPA lacks the ability to make law.” Mr. Tribe adds, icily, that a “presidential speech” is insufficient to claim such authority.
Wall St Journal, 05 December 2014
Gandahar said:
mybrainhurts said:
Passed all the windymills on the M1 today, from Sheffield to the M25.
Every single one was idle.
That's nothing, a nuclear power station can be offline for a month at a time when it needs major works.Every single one was idle.
Also, a wind turbine decommissioning costs? What are they ?
Probably less than a nuclear power plant decommissioning costs I'd wager, though of course we don't know yet as none has totally been done to completion!
Need to get in a Tardis and ask my grandchildren I think.
Edited by Gandahar on Sunday 16th November 15:21
Gandahar in his thread - The great thing about stboxes is... said:
tboxes is... said:I've had my shiitbox diesel turbo thing superchipped just to get it into that space even quicker. I get the added benefit of a huge cloud of particles emissions every time I accelerate, especially when following cars with their headlights on. I just hope Boris is watching it from his mountain top lair somewhere near Westminster as I head into the signposted clean zone each day on the A2.
Edited by chris watton on Saturday 6th December 12:59
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