Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
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Andy Zarse said:
Anyone know how much power wind is generating for us this fine and chilly morn?
It's about as good as it gets 5+GW, it's moderately windy over most of the country as the next weather front moves in. It's been reasonable for a few days, there's been some chill transient old arctic air, but the weather has been mobile. It is severe continental anticyclonic cold when everything stops.http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
If you look at the longer term graphs, it drops out almost completely a lot of the time.
Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Tuesday 9th December 10:18
Mr GrimNasty said:
Andy Zarse said:
Anyone know how much power wind is generating for us this fine and chilly morn?
It's about as good as it gets 5+GW, it's moderately windy over most of the country as the next weather front moves in. It's been reasonable for a few days, there's been some chill transient old arctic air, but the weather has been mobile. It is severe continental anticyclonic cold when everything stops.http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
If you look at the longer term graphs, it drops out almost completely a lot of the time.
Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Tuesday 9th December 10:18
UN Climate Poker In Lima
European Union insistence on a right to challenge nations about their plans for fighting climate change, in the run-up to a United Nations summit in 2015, has opened a rift at U.N. climate talks in Lima. Washington said a review of national pledges for curbing rising greenhouse gas emissions before the U.N. summit in Paris next December was “not fundamental” and Beijing signaled hostility to the idea of letting other nations challenge its policies.
Reuters, 08 December 2014
Developing Nations Strengthen Alliance To Counter Western Pressure
India on Tuesday said the developing nations, including China, are on the same page on several issues regarding climate and they will work together to push for the conclusion of a historic agreement to be signed next year in Paris to curb potentially disastrous global warming. Environment Minister Prakash Javadekar, who held several bilateral meetings on the sidelines of a climate summit at the Peruvian capital here, said Brazil, South Africa, India, and China – the BASIC countries – have decided to meet frequently throughout this week to resolve their differences. “The countries are all on the same page on several issues,” he told reporters.
Press Trust of India, 09 December 2014
India’s Environment, Forests and Climate Change Minister Prakash Javadekar has reportedly held discussions with his Brazil, South Africa, and China (BASIC) counterparts on climate change norms to be adopted. The meeting was hosted by South Africa, a day prior to the commencement of the High Level Segment of COP-20 in Lima. The ministers took stock of the ongoing negotiations in COP-20 and resolved to continue to work together to achieve an ambitious and positive outcome of the COP-20 in Lima, while preserving and strengthening the unity of developing countries to protect their common interests.
Business Standard India, 09 December 2014
As Lima climate talks entered high level segment on Tuesday with beginning intensive discussions over two draft texts, released here a day before, to finalise the elements of next year's global climate deal, countries found themselves deeply divided over the issues of 'review of national pledges' and treating 'adaptation' goals at par with 'mitigation' targets. Interestingly, the division doesn't restrict itself to the usual rich poor (nations) divide on the issue of adaptation and taking responsibility under the principle of CBDRs (common but differentiated responsibilities) but also sees a rich rich divide where European Union (EU) and a US led non-EU umbrella group appear to be on different pages on matter of 'review of national pledge' by any outside body.
Vishwa Mohan, Times of India, 09 December 2014
Obama Duff Dealing Exposed
Remember a few weeks ago, when Barack Obama triumphantly declared a deal with China to cut greenhouse gas emissions? We expressed deep skepticism at the time. As it turns out, our skepticism was warranted. When Obama struck his epic climate deal with Chinese President Xi Jinping, we suggested the American leader was engaged in self-delusion while the Chinese were laughing at us. Well, surprise, surprise. This week the South China Morning Post announced that Chinese negotiators have "rejected the scrutiny of (plans) to limit carbon emissions." The Chinese refuse to agree to measurable and enforceable carbon reduction targets. So much for the Reagan maxim of "trust but verify."
Investor’s Business Daily, 08 December 2014
European Union insistence on a right to challenge nations about their plans for fighting climate change, in the run-up to a United Nations summit in 2015, has opened a rift at U.N. climate talks in Lima. Washington said a review of national pledges for curbing rising greenhouse gas emissions before the U.N. summit in Paris next December was “not fundamental” and Beijing signaled hostility to the idea of letting other nations challenge its policies.
Reuters, 08 December 2014
Developing Nations Strengthen Alliance To Counter Western Pressure
India on Tuesday said the developing nations, including China, are on the same page on several issues regarding climate and they will work together to push for the conclusion of a historic agreement to be signed next year in Paris to curb potentially disastrous global warming. Environment Minister Prakash Javadekar, who held several bilateral meetings on the sidelines of a climate summit at the Peruvian capital here, said Brazil, South Africa, India, and China – the BASIC countries – have decided to meet frequently throughout this week to resolve their differences. “The countries are all on the same page on several issues,” he told reporters.
Press Trust of India, 09 December 2014
India’s Environment, Forests and Climate Change Minister Prakash Javadekar has reportedly held discussions with his Brazil, South Africa, and China (BASIC) counterparts on climate change norms to be adopted. The meeting was hosted by South Africa, a day prior to the commencement of the High Level Segment of COP-20 in Lima. The ministers took stock of the ongoing negotiations in COP-20 and resolved to continue to work together to achieve an ambitious and positive outcome of the COP-20 in Lima, while preserving and strengthening the unity of developing countries to protect their common interests.
Business Standard India, 09 December 2014
As Lima climate talks entered high level segment on Tuesday with beginning intensive discussions over two draft texts, released here a day before, to finalise the elements of next year's global climate deal, countries found themselves deeply divided over the issues of 'review of national pledges' and treating 'adaptation' goals at par with 'mitigation' targets. Interestingly, the division doesn't restrict itself to the usual rich poor (nations) divide on the issue of adaptation and taking responsibility under the principle of CBDRs (common but differentiated responsibilities) but also sees a rich rich divide where European Union (EU) and a US led non-EU umbrella group appear to be on different pages on matter of 'review of national pledge' by any outside body.
Vishwa Mohan, Times of India, 09 December 2014
Obama Duff Dealing Exposed
Remember a few weeks ago, when Barack Obama triumphantly declared a deal with China to cut greenhouse gas emissions? We expressed deep skepticism at the time. As it turns out, our skepticism was warranted. When Obama struck his epic climate deal with Chinese President Xi Jinping, we suggested the American leader was engaged in self-delusion while the Chinese were laughing at us. Well, surprise, surprise. This week the South China Morning Post announced that Chinese negotiators have "rejected the scrutiny of (plans) to limit carbon emissions." The Chinese refuse to agree to measurable and enforceable carbon reduction targets. So much for the Reagan maxim of "trust but verify."
Investor’s Business Daily, 08 December 2014
Mr GrimNasty said:
Ah, of course, Lima, hence the BBC article rehash Peru glaciers 'alarming' decline the other day, now I get it.
Funny how they always seem to f**k off to exotic and interesting places to host these things, wasting loads of CO2 in the process. They never hold on in Birmingham and over Skype...Jasandjules said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Ah, of course, Lima, hence the BBC article rehash Peru glaciers 'alarming' decline the other day, now I get it.
Funny how they always seem to f**k off to exotic and interesting places to host these things, wasting loads of CO2 in the process. They never hold on in Birmingham and over Skype...Andy Zarse said:
Jasandjules said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Ah, of course, Lima, hence the BBC article rehash Peru glaciers 'alarming' decline the other day, now I get it.
Funny how they always seem to f**k off to exotic and interesting places to host these things, wasting loads of CO2 in the process. They never hold on in Birmingham and over Skype...
Then again so could the afters.
Daily Wail said:
NASA climatewang threatens Cape Canaveral; unprecedented levels of bulls
t could wash away space centre within the decade.
t could wash away space centre within the decade.
motco said:
Ed Davey says we have only a year to save the planet! 
I knew that had cropped up before somewhere 
“Time is running out”
Henry Kendall, Greenpeace, 1992
“Time is running out for the climate”
Chris Rose, Greenpeace, 1997
"We have just 96 months left to save the planet"
Prince Charles, 2009
"We have fewer than fifty days to save our planet"
Gordon Brown, 2009
Hopefully we won't get the national disaster of Ed and Chuck but if the worst happens let's hope HRH gets Wallace singing from the same armageddon hymn sheet, resulting in matching doom dates.
It's the least we can expect
Jasandjules said:
Funny how they always seem to f**k off to exotic and interesting places to host these things, wasting loads of CO2 in the process. They never hold on in Birmingham and over Skype...
After the hilarious frozen farce in Copenhagen a few years ago the misanthropic hippies, troughers and their tame idiot politicians generally go for hotter climes now: Cancun, Durban, Doha etc.Plus it wouldn't be much of a junket over Skype.
Jasandjules said:
Funny how they always seem to f**k off to exotic and interesting places to host these things, wasting loads of CO2 in the process. They never hold on in Birmingham and over Skype...
I think you've gone over the top on this one. I mean...Birmingham? That's a measure of cruel, too far...
mybrainhurts said:
I think you've gone over the top on this one. I mean...Birmingham? That's a measure of cruel, too far...
Frankly, that's an indication of the contempt with which I hold them. 30,000 Excess Winter deaths in the UK alone, there is blood on their hands. Me, I'd be happy to shoot a few of them for treason for this.
Jasandjules said:
Frankly, that's an indication of the contempt with which I hold them.
30,000 Excess Winter deaths in the UK alone, there is blood on their hands. Me, I'd be happy to shoot a few of them for treason for this.
Yes, but thanks to the imaginary warming that made the last UK winter so mild, we had the fewest excess deaths 'ever', seems like this fabled global warming is to be encouraged!30,000 Excess Winter deaths in the UK alone, there is blood on their hands. Me, I'd be happy to shoot a few of them for treason for this.
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2014/12/9/t...
This ought to make you feel warm all over...the House of Lords Science and Technology Committee taking evidence from warmists and asking difficult questions.
The warmistas did not like it up 'em.
Start at 10.58.
This ought to make you feel warm all over...the House of Lords Science and Technology Committee taking evidence from warmists and asking difficult questions.
The warmistas did not like it up 'em.
Start at 10.58.
That scruffy professor was getting a little shirty. He went for the well worn 'appeal to authority' card as well, which was a weak play. Telling them that their opinions didn't matter LOL. Well actually they do, which is why you're there, you condescending prick.
BTW that Lord Peston is Robert Peston's father.
BTW that Lord Peston is Robert Peston's father.
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