Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
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Rich Nations Get Cold Feet Over $100 Billion Climate Fund Promise With Deadlock Likely As Annual Climate Ritual Nears Its Climax
Developed countries do not wish to provide a road map before 2019 for their financial commitments to fight climate change. But at the Lima talks they have demanded that the linked actions of developing countries to reduce emissions be announced and reviewed well before, by 2015 itself. This has led to a logjam on the issue of finance in the negotiations. But, it has also got all the factions within the over-arching G77+China group of 134 developing countries aligned close.
Nitin Sethi, Business Standard, 12 December 2014
Ritual: a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order--Oxford Dictionary
Developed countries do not wish to provide a road map before 2019 for their financial commitments to fight climate change. But at the Lima talks they have demanded that the linked actions of developing countries to reduce emissions be announced and reviewed well before, by 2015 itself. This has led to a logjam on the issue of finance in the negotiations. But, it has also got all the factions within the over-arching G77+China group of 134 developing countries aligned close.
Nitin Sethi, Business Standard, 12 December 2014
Ritual: a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order--Oxford Dictionary
Getragdogleg said:
"The Nazca people disappeared because of climate change"...
These people are so far into this delusion its probably a mental illness now.
Surely that's an own goal. They disappeared because of natural non human induced climate change. AKA we are at the mercy of nature and always have been. Nothing we can do except adapt.These people are so far into this delusion its probably a mental illness now.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Getragdogleg said:
"The Nazca people disappeared because of climate change"...
These people are so far into this delusion its probably a mental illness now.
Surely that's an own goal. They disappeared because of natural non human induced climate change. AKA we are at the mercy of nature and always have been. Nothing we can do except adapt.These people are so far into this delusion its probably a mental illness now.
Therefore poking lion with stick also = c'est la vie.
hmmm...
motco said:
We're doomed! DOOMED I tell you! Cheap oil will destroy the green revolution
"Anne Robinson, director of consumer policy at the uSwitch price comparison website, said: “More subsidies are likely to be needed [for green power] as the gap between the cost of fossil fuel power and renewable power gets bigger.” The extra subsidies would be borne by households in the form of higher energy bills."
Blib said:
Scuffers said:
makes a mockery of all the bulls
t about how much cheaper green power is.
Hush your beak! We're on very serious business here. To save the planet for our grandchildren's, grand children's, children's, children.t about how much cheaper green power is.Children.
Even then by the time they might exist, we won't.
Yet another example of projecting the alleged problem so far into the future that there can be no sensible discussion about it in the "now" time frame. And no point of responsibility that could come back on the policymakers when policies are proved wrong.
jurbie said:
I'm amazed by the comments on that article and had to check I was actually reading The Independent. The value of true belief seems to be falling as well.
The Green Support Team seemed a bit thin on the ground in the comments. Perhaps they had their Xmas party last night and are still in recovery mode.I'm sure after this weeks high winds, there will be press releases from them going on about how they broke all the records for wind power etc etc etc..
pretty sad when their collective peak is about the same as 1 coal station (Drax), and they only seem to be able to do this 2-3 times a year when we have gales.
pretty sad when their collective peak is about the same as 1 coal station (Drax), and they only seem to be able to do this 2-3 times a year when we have gales.
mybrainhurts said:
Scuffers said:
I'm sure after this weeks high winds, there will be press releases from them going on about how they broke all the records for wind power etc etc etc..
They have to firmly apply the handbrake in windy conditions, lest they shake themselves to pieces.chris watton said:
mybrainhurts said:
Scuffers said:
I'm sure after this weeks high winds, there will be press releases from them going on about how they broke all the records for wind power etc etc etc..
They have to firmly apply the handbrake in windy conditions, lest they shake themselves to pieces.
Scuffers said:
I'm sure after this weeks high winds, there will be press releases from them going on about how they broke all the records for wind power etc etc etc..
pretty sad when their collective peak is about the same as 1 coal station (Drax), and they only seem to be able to do this 2-3 times a year when we have gales.
You forget that Drax is using subsidised wood pellets now pretty sad when their collective peak is about the same as 1 coal station (Drax), and they only seem to be able to do this 2-3 times a year when we have gales.
dickymint said:
You forget that Drax is using subsidised wood pellets now
hardly by choice, all about trying to navigate the EU green ste.this kind of let's the cat out the bag:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/11292...
GWPF Welcomes Non-Binding And Toothless UN Climate Deal
Lord Lawson: After Lima, UK Climate Change Act Should Be Suspended
London, 14 December 2014
Dr Benny Peiser, the Director of the Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF), has welcomed the non-binding and toothless UN climate agreement which was adopted in Lima earlier today.
Dr Peiser said: “The Lima agreement is another acknowledgement of international reality. The deal is further proof, if any was needed, that the developing world will not agree to any legally binding caps, never mind reductions of their CO2 emissions.”
“As seasoned observers predicted, the Lima deal is on a voluntary basis which allows nations to set their own voluntary CO2 targets and policies without any legally binding caps or international oversight. In contrast to the Kyoto Protocol, the Lima deal opens the way for a new climate agreement in 2015 which will remove legal obligations for governments to cap or reduce CO2 emissions. A voluntary agreement would also remove the mad rush into unrealistic decarbonisation policies that are both economically and politically unsustainable.”
Lord Nigel Lawson, Chairman of the Global Warming Policy Forum, added: “The UK’s unilateral Climate Change Act is forcing British industry and British households to suffer an excessively high cost of electricity to no purpose. Following Lima, it is clearer than ever that the Act should be suspended until such time as a binding global agreement has been secured.”
Lord Lawson: After Lima, UK Climate Change Act Should Be Suspended
London, 14 December 2014
Dr Benny Peiser, the Director of the Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF), has welcomed the non-binding and toothless UN climate agreement which was adopted in Lima earlier today.
Dr Peiser said: “The Lima agreement is another acknowledgement of international reality. The deal is further proof, if any was needed, that the developing world will not agree to any legally binding caps, never mind reductions of their CO2 emissions.”
“As seasoned observers predicted, the Lima deal is on a voluntary basis which allows nations to set their own voluntary CO2 targets and policies without any legally binding caps or international oversight. In contrast to the Kyoto Protocol, the Lima deal opens the way for a new climate agreement in 2015 which will remove legal obligations for governments to cap or reduce CO2 emissions. A voluntary agreement would also remove the mad rush into unrealistic decarbonisation policies that are both economically and politically unsustainable.”
Lord Nigel Lawson, Chairman of the Global Warming Policy Forum, added: “The UK’s unilateral Climate Change Act is forcing British industry and British households to suffer an excessively high cost of electricity to no purpose. Following Lima, it is clearer than ever that the Act should be suspended until such time as a binding global agreement has been secured.”
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