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mph1977 said:
5CylTurbo said:
If you can get through the Fail's frothing what does the story actually tell us underage daughter gets in relationship with much older man who gets her pregnant
mummy and daddy put their daughter and her little mistake in a flat somewhere ...
Daughter gets into a relationship with a much older man again , to whom daughter gives near enough unsupervised access ...
unexplained genital injuries ...
The good old British way. Guilty until proven innocent (if you get the chance).
REALIST123 said:
Yes, as you say, unexplained injuries. Yet the social services decide her new partner is guilty and she is implicated too.
The good old British way. Guilty until proven innocent (if you get the chance).
A relatively new boyfriend sharing a bath with his partner's young son doesn't seem slightly worrying to you?The good old British way. Guilty until proven innocent (if you get the chance).
Countdown said:
A relatively new boyfriend sharing a bath with his partner's young son doesn't seem slightly worrying to you?
why should this be immediately seen as wrong, and they say the victorians had some hang ups.When my kids were young, and more importantly when there were only two of em I shared a bath with em all the time, does this make me a pedo too?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248370/So...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/girl-was-kill...
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/oct/15/bir...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7318789/Tim...
But oh no, nothing to see here, they are all doing a great job and should be paid twice as much and given an even better pension
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/girl-was-kill...
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/oct/15/bir...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7318789/Tim...
But oh no, nothing to see here, they are all doing a great job and should be paid twice as much and given an even better pension
PlankWithANailIn said:
why should this be immediately seen as wrong, and they say the victorians had some hang ups.
When my kids were young, and more importantly when there were only two of em I shared a bath with em all the time, does this make me a pedo too?
Perhaps I do have Victorian hang-ups. OTOH there appear to be a lot of warning signs there (for me at least, YMMV) and Social Services have acted on them. Damned if they do...When my kids were young, and more importantly when there were only two of em I shared a bath with em all the time, does this make me a pedo too?
In your situation I'm guessing they were actually your kids and not somebody you'd just started a relationship with? Would you have let them share a bath with somebody who wasn't immediate family?
5CylTurbo said:
Only damned when they get it wrong which they do far too frequently. But assume you're okay with them getting it wrong despite being paid well?
Of course I am 
You've given two examples which contradict each other - one where (apparently) it's Social Services' fault for not being aware that a child was at potential risk, one where it's Social Services fault for being aware and taking action where they thought a child was at potential risk. In neither case has any independent party suggested that Social Services were at fault. But, in your opinion, these are examples of Public Sector failure ?
Mad as a box of frogs.
Edited by Countdown on Tuesday 8th April 12:41
Countdown said:
5CylTurbo said:
Only damned when they get it wrong which they do far too frequently. But assume you're okay with them getting it wrong despite being paid well?
Of course I am You've given two examples which contradict each other - one where (apparently) it's Social Services' fault for not being aware that a child was at potential risk, one where it's Social Services fault for being aware and taking action where they thought a child was at potential risk. In neither case has any independent party suggested that Social Services were at fault. But, in your opinion, these are examples of Public Sector failure ?
Mad as a box of frogs.
Edited by Countdown on Tuesday 8th April 12:41
They get it wrong both ways, that is how utterly useless Social Services are, and last time I checked Social Services are part of the public sector.
And I'm the mad one? Yeah right.
The problem with this particular argument is that not enough information is available to make as sensible informed judgement, snippets from the stories are used to inform a predetermined position of certain posters.
Some of the examples of poor practice in the links provided are quite shocking and some (see the Daily Mail ones) are selective b
ks, but without intimate knowledge of the family circumstances and also a full understanding of the child protection process its easy to be mislead.
Some of the examples of poor practice in the links provided are quite shocking and some (see the Daily Mail ones) are selective b
ks, but without intimate knowledge of the family circumstances and also a full understanding of the child protection process its easy to be mislead.NPI said:
5CylTurbo said:
They get it wrong both ways,
They're even handed then.The service would be better if there were more of them and they were paid more.
Streamline the administration process so front line social workers don’t spend 70% of their time looking at a computer, the “if it’s not written down it didn’t happen” which is a statement often said is utterly stupid.
Sort out how they monitor performance, as in sort the people out who don’t do stuff rather than inventing a silly rule that everybody has to follow because some muppets can’t follow the original rule. For example if a child needs to be visited every three weeks and some people can’t achieve it deal with them. Don’t invent a silly rule that says everybody has to visit all their children every two weeks so ‘our’ performance improves.
NPI said:
They're even handed then.
The service would be better if there were more of them and they were paid more.
Yes equally rubbish when the child is in real peril and when the child is totally safe, you can rely on them to make the wrong decision, marvellous!The service would be better if there were more of them and they were paid more.
No, better to just employ better people in the first place. ex coppers, army etc.
Stop advertising in the Guardian as it seems to attract wallies with no life experience and too easily hoodwinked by the great unwashed.
5CylTurbo said:
NPI said:
They're even handed then.
The service would be better if there were more of them and they were paid more.
Yes equally rubbish when the child is in real peril and when the child is totally safe, you can rely on them to make the wrong decision, marvellous!The service would be better if there were more of them and they were paid more.
No, better to just employ better people in the first place. ex coppers, army etc.
Stop advertising in the Guardian as it seems to attract wallies with no life experience and too easily hoodwinked by the great unwashed.
Do you have any idea what a referral and assessment social worker does? The timescales involved for the assessment/visits? The legalities of the work undertaken? How difficult it is to managing risk? Have you read the Munro report? Have you read the working together guidance? Have you read any serious case reviews?
Or is your opinion completely informed by news reports?
Please, please explain why an ex police officer or serviceman would be better placed than a social worker to undertake work with families?
NPI said:
The service would be better if there were more of them and they were paid more.
One of the Five Standard Excuses:2 The Comprehensive Schools excuse. It's only gone wrong because of heavy cuts in staff and budget which have stretched supervisory resources beyond the limit.
Thank you, Sir Humphrey.
Du1point8 said:
Hope no-one in public secotr sees what they are doing in Sweden with the trialling of 6 hour working days to reduce sick leave and raise moral.
Oh and did I mention they are all still on full pay, so they work less hours and get a huge pay rise to boot.
How is getting the same pay "a huge pay rise"?Oh and did I mention they are all still on full pay, so they work less hours and get a huge pay rise to boot.
NPI said:
Du1point8 said:
Hope no-one in public secotr sees what they are doing in Sweden with the trialling of 6 hour working days to reduce sick leave and raise moral.
Oh and did I mention they are all still on full pay, so they work less hours and get a huge pay rise to boot.
How is getting the same pay "a huge pay rise"?Oh and did I mention they are all still on full pay, so they work less hours and get a huge pay rise to boot.
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