Public sector watch

[Fab32]

Rovinghawk said:

NPI said:

Rovinghawk said:

I suggest that some form of change is required-

Hmmm...I don't suppose anyone has ever thought of that.

Allow me to clarify- some form of improvement is required.

AFAIK this is a new & radical thought as they don't seem to have got any better despite scandals & outcries.

Some places are better, some have stayed the same some have improved. I'm not convinced there has been much measurable change across the whole service.

Doncaster and Birmingham are some good examples of places that are really struggling, Birmingham has been in the news quite a bit, Doncaster not so much.

[NPI]

Presumeably

Rovinghawk said:

..they don't seem to have got any better...

is perception, rather than evidence, based?

[mph1977]

NPI said:

Presumeably

Rovinghawk said:

..they don't seem to have got any better...

is perception, rather than evidence, based?

NPI you are attempting to rationalise or seek evidence from Mr Roving of the family hawk ... good luck

my own opinion is that someone who leacves the forces as a SNCO is #in a good [position to be a teacher or work in welfare / social services - when you look at the raw material the Infantry and none technical trades has to work with ...

[5CylTurbo]

Fab32 said:

I am, please note I have answered your question but you have not answered any of mine. Could you answer my questions above and also what do you do for a living?

Figures

You stated as a fact that I had no idea what the job involved, but of course that was wrong as my step sister was one, and left because she could see how incompetent folk were around her.

What does my job have to do with anything? Oh it doesn't does it, just yet more waffle.

And none of that tackles the crux of the problem, crap incompetent social workers are being paid well to sit idly by whilst kids they are meant to be looking out for are dying!

What kind of person can allow that to happen?

[NPI]

5CylTurbo said:

You stated as a fact that I had no idea what the job involved, but of course that was wrong as my step sister was one, and left because she could see how incompetent folk were around her.

Why didn't she stay and try and change things, or least make a difference?

Do you by any chance have an axe to grind on your step-sisters behalf?

[Sticks.]

Fab32 said:

I am, please note I have answered your question but you have not answered any of mine. Could you answer my questions above and also what do you do for a living?

Optician, I think.

[5CylTurbo]

NPI said:

Why didn't she stay and try and change things, or least make a difference?

Do you by any chance have an axe to grind on your step-sisters behalf?

Futile - the handful that are actually good at their job and care are wasting their time against those that are hopeless.

Yes I have an axe to grind, my taxes are funding millions of these worthless parasites. Nowt to do with step sister, although I did give her job to enable her to leave social services, against my better judgement as the public sector speciality 'world owes me a living belligerency' crops up now and again.

[Fab32]

5CylTurbo said:

Fab32 said:

I am, please note I have answered your question but you have not answered any of mine. Could you answer my questions above and also what do you do for a living?

Figures

You stated as a fact that I had no idea what the job involved, but of course that was wrong as my step sister was one, and left because she could see how incompetent folk were around her.

What does my job have to do with anything? Oh it doesn't does it, just yet more waffle.

And none of that tackles the crux of the problem, crap incompetent social workers are being paid well to sit idly by whilst kids they are meant to be looking out for are dying!

What kind of person can allow that to happen?

My brother is a teacher, through my discussions with him I could give you a basic outline of what he does. It would however be pretty stupid and ridiculously arrogant for me to think I know much about his profession or judge his profession on his view alone.

I came to the conclusion you don’t know what you are talking about, because you don’t, at least not in relation to social workers. Could I at least suggest you read the Munro report?

In answer to your actual question, the worst sort of person but thankfully its still quite rare.

What social work job did your step sister do? Referral and Assessment, LAC, fostering?

[5CylTurbo]

Wor lass is a teacher, but fortunately for her in the private sector and not ones of these lazy striking sorts. And yes I understand her job enough to hold an opinion about it.

So in your world you can only hold an opinion if you have actually done something for a few years.

So you never say anything about Formula 1, Premier League football, world war 2, politics, films, music etc etc

The deaths fortunately are rare but the incompetence is rife.

[jules_s]

Sticks. said:

Optician, I think.

Yep

Obviously still very busy wasting clients time browsing the DM/internet

[SpeedMattersNot]

5CylTurbo said:

Wor lass is a teacher, but fortunately for her in the private sector and not ones of these lazy striking sorts. And yes I understand her job enough to hold an opinion about it.

So in your world you can only hold an opinion if you have actually done something for a few years.

So you never say anything about Formula 1, Premier League football, world war 2, politics, films, music etc etc

The deaths fortunately are rare but the incompetence is rife.

Couldn't she handle the harder job of teaching England's finest? Usually find the teachers in the private sector are just ones who aren't good enough for the public sector and want an easy ride.

[Fab32]

5CylTurbo said:

Wor lass is a teacher, but fortunately for her in the private sector and not ones of these lazy striking sorts. And yes I understand her job enough to hold an opinion about it.

So in your world you can only hold an opinion if you have actually done something for a few years.

So you never say anything about Formula 1, Premier League football, world war 2, politics, films, music etc etc

The deaths fortunately are rare but the incompetence is rife.

You can hold an opinion on anything you like and I hold opinions on all things you mention. But the validity of your/an opinion is based on how informed it is, and what I am saying is you know very little about social work, so people should take you what you say with a pinch of salt.

You do realise you have not answered a single question I have asked here they are again on the off chance you may want to answer them.

What do you do for a living?
What social work job did your step sister do? Referral and Assessment, LAC, fostering?
Do you have any idea what a referral and assessment social worker does?
The timescales involved for the assessment/visits?
The legalities of the work undertaken?
How difficult it is to managing risk?
Have you read the Munro report?
Have you read the working together guidance?
Have you read any serious case reviews?
Is your opinion completely informed by news reports?

Please, please explain why an ex police officer or serviceman would be better placed than a social worker to undertake work with families?

For the record I don't agree with the teachers strike but I don't feel they are lazy for doing it!

[Rovinghawk]

NPI said:

Presumeably

Rovinghawk said:

..they don't seem to have got any better...

is perception, rather than evidence, based?

The word 'seem' should be a clue there. There seems to be a new scandal with tedious regularity.

It's presumably, btw.

[5CylTurbo]

SpeedMattersNot said:

ouldn't she handle the harder job of teaching England's finest? Usually find the teachers in the private sector are just ones who aren't good enough for the public sector and want an easy ride.

She probably couldn't handle being sworn at or battered no. Just as well she just teaches wee ones.

But her and her colleagues are certainly better than the State primary teachers I had, hence why her kids are so much further on than the current state ones, strange that isn't it, in your view worse teachers are getting better results, doh!

But she gets longer hols and nicer parents, but as it is fee paying there is a lot more pressure to get results whereas in the State system being able to read and write aged 11 is seen as a decent result!

Her school just had their isis ofsted (??) inspection and got one off a clean outstanding sweep, must be all those poor teachers they have eh!

Edited by 5CylTurbo on Thursday 10th April 17:56

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5CylTurbo said:

She probably couldn't handle being sworn at or battered no.

But I thought you said they were all Public sector teachers were lazy, incompetent, overpaid, over-pensioned slackers with uber-long holidays?

I'm confused

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5CylTurbo said:

But she gets longer hols and nicer parents, but as it is fee paying there is a lot more pressure to get results whereas in the State system being able to read and write aged 11 is seen as a decent result!

I'd be surprised if anybody on here who uses State schools would consider that a "decent" result tbh. The schools my kids go to are both excellent. Only rated good currently by Ofsted but the kids enjoy it and get good marks.

Only "certain" types of parents consider being able to read and write aged 11 is seen as a decent result

[5CylTurbo]

Countdown said:

But I thought you said they were all Public sector teachers were lazy, incompetent, overpaid, over-pensioned slackers with uber-long holidays?

I'm confused

The fact that some 11 year can't read or write just goes to show that there's plenty wrong with State education - but salary and pensions ain't high up that list.

Countdown said:

I'd be surprised if anybody on here who uses State schools would consider that a "decent" result tbh. The schools my kids go to are both excellent. Only rated good currently by Ofsted but the kids enjoy it and get good marks.

Only "certain" types of parents consider being able to read and write aged 11 is seen as a decent result

Clearly not excellent if they only rate 'good' - bit of a contradiction isn't it?

Ahh well outstanding where wor lass works, but that must because of all the crap teachers who aren't good enough to work in the state sector. PMSL

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5CylTurbo said:

Clearly not excellent if they only rate 'good' - bit of a contradiction isn't it?

Not at all. Only an ill-informed nitwit would consider the Ofsted rating as the primary indicator of how good or bad a school is. It certainly has its place but a lot of Headteachers know how to play the Ofsted system

[5CylTurbo]

Countdown said:

5CylTurbo said:

Clearly not excellent if they only rate 'good' - bit of a contradiction isn't it?

Not at all. Only an ill-informed nitwit would consider the Ofsted rating as the primary indicator of how good or bad a school is. It certainly has its place but a lot of Headteachers know how to play the Ofsted system

Yes of course one that rates Good is a lot better than one that rates Outstanding, not to mention getting the best grades in the league tables, guess the better the grades the worse the teachers

ffs


Eton, Harrow etc not a patch on Haringey Comp of course because they score better in league tables and ofsted they must be worse schools

you just couldn't make this crap up

[Countdown]

5CylTurbo said:

Yes of course one that rates Good is a lot better than one that rates Outstanding, not to mention getting the best grades in the league tables, guess the better the grades the worse the teachers

ffs


Eton, Harrow etc not a patch on Haringey Comp of course because they score better in league tables and ofsted they must be worse schools

you just couldn't make this crap up

I see what you mean about some people not being able to read or write.

What do you think "not the PRIMARY indicator" and "it has its place" mean, in the context of my post?

Ps league tables can be manipulated. You send all the less academically able on vocational courses at the local college.

Edited by Countdown on Thursday 10th April 20:56