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Sheepshanks

32,519 posts

118 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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FiF said:
The Mail is having a go at NHS execs today quoting some astonishing salaries and practices.

One which particularly galled me was execs using a technique to help nurses who might not have such a good pension to carry on supplementing their pensions with working part time. The accusation by the Mail is of people secretly quitting for a day, withdrawing large tax free lump sums from pension, then working for a month or so part time to get past HMRC rules, then returning to their full time role at original salary.

mad
Calm down dear. PHers have declared many times that nothing written in the Daily Mail is true.

Du1point8

21,604 posts

191 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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mph1977 said:
FiF said:
The Mail is having a go at NHS execs today quoting some astonishing salaries and practices.

One which particularly galled me was execs using a technique to help nurses who might not have such a good pension to carry on supplementing their pensions with working part time. The accusation by the Mail is of people secretly quitting for a day, withdrawing large tax free lump sums from pension, then working for a month or so part time to get past HMRC rules, then returning to their full time role at original salary.

mad

No doubt we'll be treated to a session of bullcrap bingo and extensive use of jargon and acronyms from the usual apologists. Oh of course forgot these people face violent abuse every day, or not. That's all right then.
it is my understanding that you cannot do that ...

however if as a colleague of mine once did you retire from a fairly senior post and return as a bog standard band 5 you can work a good number of hours before it stops your prension
Yep, I know several that do this and were told not to mention it to other members of staff when they return.

turbobloke

103,734 posts

259 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Sheepshanks said:
FiF said:
The Mail is having a go at NHS execs today quoting some astonishing salaries and practices.

One which particularly galled me was execs using a technique to help nurses who might not have such a good pension to carry on supplementing their pensions with working part time. The accusation by the Mail is of people secretly quitting for a day, withdrawing large tax free lump sums from pension, then working for a month or so part time to get past HMRC rules, then returning to their full time role at original salary.

mad
Calm down dear. PHers have declared many times that nothing written in the Daily Mail is true.
hehe

eek



Does that mean this 2013 poke at the Conservative-led coalition simply made up the official figures that the W&P Secretary accepted? Those DM people are rascals, making up official figures that come from gov't and just happen to be correct. After all The Guardian would never deviate from absolute truth.

Good find, FiF.

Camoradi

4,285 posts

255 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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turbobloke said:
Hope your friend enjoys donuts wink
laugh

FiF

43,957 posts

250 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Sheepshanks said:
Calm down dear. .
Arkell vs Pressdram

FiF

43,957 posts

250 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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mph1977 said:
FiF said:
The Mail is having a go at NHS execs today quoting some astonishing salaries and practices.

One which particularly galled me was execs using a technique to help nurses who might not have such a good pension to carry on supplementing their pensions with working part time. The accusation by the Mail is of people secretly quitting for a day, withdrawing large tax free lump sums from pension, then working for a month or so part time to get past HMRC rules, then returning to their full time role at original salary.

mad

No doubt we'll be treated to a session of bullcrap bingo and extensive use of jargon and acronyms from the usual apologists. Oh of course forgot these people face violent abuse every day, or not. That's all right then.
it is my understanding that you cannot do that ...

however if as a colleague of mine once did you retire from a fairly senior post and return as a bog standard band 5 you can work a good number of hours before it stops your prension
I don't see how they can do it either in terms of returning to the same or similar position within the same tax year without a massive tax liability on both the individual and the employer.

I do know (not NHS) of situations where people have gone back to a very similar position and still drawn their pension, but after an absence of over a year or more. So the devil will be in the details somewhere.

Du1point8

21,604 posts

191 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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FiF said:
mph1977 said:
FiF said:
The Mail is having a go at NHS execs today quoting some astonishing salaries and practices.

One which particularly galled me was execs using a technique to help nurses who might not have such a good pension to carry on supplementing their pensions with working part time. The accusation by the Mail is of people secretly quitting for a day, withdrawing large tax free lump sums from pension, then working for a month or so part time to get past HMRC rules, then returning to their full time role at original salary.

mad

No doubt we'll be treated to a session of bullcrap bingo and extensive use of jargon and acronyms from the usual apologists. Oh of course forgot these people face violent abuse every day, or not. That's all right then.
it is my understanding that you cannot do that ...

however if as a colleague of mine once did you retire from a fairly senior post and return as a bog standard band 5 you can work a good number of hours before it stops your prension
I don't see how they can do it either in terms of returning to the same or similar position within the same tax year without a massive tax liability on both the individual and the employer.

I do know (not NHS) of situations where people have gone back to a very similar position and still drawn their pension, but after an absence of over a year or more. So the devil will be in the details somewhere.
http://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/Pensions/2679.aspx

Sheepshanks

32,519 posts

118 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Seems it's all OK:

http://www.sath.nhs.uk/media/news_archive/2015-04-...


We have a family member who was CEO of a small NHS Trust - far too nice a person to do that kind of job and he didn't last long once the axe started being wielded. He was a bit miffed that he didn't get taken out in the first round, as they were paying people's pensions as if they'd worked until 60, but there was a bit of outcry about that as it was costing millions for every CEO they got rid of.

Even so, his pension was enhanced such that his pension is like a little lottery win coming in every month - and it'll keep coming for the rest of his life.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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FiF said:
their pensions are possibly not enough to live on,
I'm fairly sure this bit was tongue-in-cheek. Please tell me it was.

FiF

43,957 posts

250 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Rovinghawk said:
FiF said:
their pensions are possibly not enough to live on,
I'm fairly sure this bit was tongue-in-cheek. Please tell me it was.
I'm fairly sure that with your very selective quote removing the context in which this comment or similar was made, twice, it's not me that's taking the piss here.

turbobloke

103,734 posts

259 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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The Times headline today: Child Protection Chief in New Payoff Scandal.

A senior child protection officer who was criticised for failing etc etc. Same old. Good taxpayers' money thrown after bad. In general there must surely be a common purpose in removing mediocre people without handing over wads of cash.

freakybacon

549 posts

162 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093642/Child-pro...

Mail link. Well worth £960 a day of your taxpayers money.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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turbobloke said:
The Times headline today: Child Protection Chief in New Payoff Scandal.

A senior child protection officer who was criticised for failing etc etc. Same old. Good taxpayers' money thrown after bad. In general there must surely be a common purpose in removing mediocre people without handing over wads of cash.
i would suggest there is indeed a common purpose involved,unfortunately to promote the exact opposite of what you propose.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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wc98 said:
turbobloke said:
The Times headline today: Child Protection Chief in New Payoff Scandal.

A senior child protection officer who was criticised for failing etc etc. Same old. Good taxpayers' money thrown after bad. In general there must surely be a common purpose in removing mediocre people without handing over wads of cash.
i would suggest there is indeed a common purpose involved,unfortunately to promote the exact opposite of what you propose.
The frootloops will descend now, as two words have been put into close proximity.


Edited by mph1977 on Saturday 23 May 17:48

turbobloke

103,734 posts

259 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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HMRC, stellar performance - words you don't often see together.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11656456/...

It had to be Hodge commenting on tax, naturally smile

FiF

43,957 posts

250 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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turbobloke said:
HMRC, stellar performance - words you don't often see together.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11656456/...

It had to be Hodge commenting on tax, naturally smile
Stella performance on the HMRC piss up is the only such performance most of us might recognise.


anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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Don't blame the council 9pm tonight on ITV might be an eye opener
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep1week26/dont-blam...

Magog

2,652 posts

188 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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speedyguy said:
Don't blame the council 9pm tonight on ITV might be an eye opener
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep1week26/dont-blam...
It's like 'The Office' never happened,

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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Clueless muppets.

Inefficient, no idea of cost/benefit, lazy incompetent staff with attitude, counterproductive policies.

And this is them trying to compete as a profit making company!

No wonder councils burn our money up faster than a silo of reclaimed plastic at a recycling storage facility.

jules_s

4,235 posts

232 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Clueless muppets.

Inefficient, no idea of cost/benefit, lazy incompetent staff with attitude, counterproductive policies.

And this is them trying to compete as a profit making company!

No wonder councils burn our money up faster than a silo of reclaimed plastic at a recycling storage facility.
TBF, trying to make a profit based council company when dealing with council tenants is thankless/nigh on impossible

I had to laugh at the chap who 'went home' and didn't understand the problem with that though!