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Rovinghawk said:
Countdown said:
Shouldn't make any difference - they provide X services, they charge £Y. If they are providing the same services more efficiently than their Labour counterparts they should be charging LESS £y, not more.
Higher values= nicer area (in general). It costs more to keep somewhere looking nicer. Also expectations of services provided might well be higher in such an area.Ozzie Osmond said:
eccles said:
You are making the same mistake as Turbobloke. You both seem to think that public sector staff should be subject to some sort of higher standards of discipline than private sector workers.
If you really think employees behave the same way in public sector as private sector, how do you explain the many surveys which show public sector workers require about twice as many days off sick every year? Strange that. 
what private secotr jobs except door man routinely enter into violent situations - and before the idiots claim that violence against healthcare Staff is 'only drunks in A+E' and ambulance related ... ever wondered why so many hospital units are now locked ?
Edited by eybic on Friday 20th February 10:21
eccles said:
You are making the same mistake as Turbobloke. You both seem to think that public sector staff should be subject to some sort of higher standards of discipline than private sector workers.
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
turbobloke said:
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.
Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
this same old fallacy again Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
many public sector staff are held to higher standards by virtue of the roles they hold e.g. any professionally registered Role ( where you can be punished again for criminal convictions, punished again for disciplinary issues at work - which has been used to give some NHS managers a second bite at scapegoating Registrants) , those working for police forces who come under PSD, Military personnel subject to Service discipline - where they can be punished by the Service for a criminal offence ( not double punishment for the offence but for 'failing the Service test' or bringing the service into disrepute)...
turbobloke said:
eccles said:
You are making the same mistake as Turbobloke. You both seem to think that public sector staff should be subject to some sort of higher standards of discipline than private sector workers.
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
Some time ago, I asked my team to think of every bit of expenditure in terms of how many houses' council tax it took. (For assumption purposes, I used £1k per house per annum, as being that part which ends up with this authority).
And whenever we caused or saw others cause waste, I suggested we imagine how many houses, streets and even towns annual contributions had been squandered. Further, that they should have to call together the residents of the required number of houses and explain to them why and how the money they had been forced to hand over had been wasted.
V8mate said:
turbobloke said:
eccles said:
You are making the same mistake as Turbobloke. You both seem to think that public sector staff should be subject to some sort of higher standards of discipline than private sector workers.
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
Some time ago, I asked my team to think of every bit of expenditure in terms of how many houses' council tax it took. (For assumption purposes, I used £1k per house per annum, as being that part which ends up with this authority).
And whenever we caused or saw others cause waste, I suggested we imagine how many houses, streets and even towns annual contributions had been squandered. Further, that they should have to call together the residents of the required number of houses and explain to them why and how the money they had been forced to hand over had been wasted.
turbobloke said:
V8mate said:
turbobloke said:
eccles said:
You are making the same mistake as Turbobloke. You both seem to think that public sector staff should be subject to some sort of higher standards of discipline than private sector workers.
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
Some time ago, I asked my team to think of every bit of expenditure in terms of how many houses' council tax it took. (For assumption purposes, I used £1k per house per annum, as being that part which ends up with this authority).
And whenever we caused or saw others cause waste, I suggested we imagine how many houses, streets and even towns annual contributions had been squandered. Further, that they should have to call together the residents of the required number of houses and explain to them why and how the money they had been forced to hand over had been wasted.
V8mate said:
turbobloke said:
V8mate said:
turbobloke said:
eccles said:
You are making the same mistake as Turbobloke. You both seem to think that public sector staff should be subject to some sort of higher standards of discipline than private sector workers.
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
Some time ago, I asked my team to think of every bit of expenditure in terms of how many houses' council tax it took. (For assumption purposes, I used £1k per house per annum, as being that part which ends up with this authority).
And whenever we caused or saw others cause waste, I suggested we imagine how many houses, streets and even towns annual contributions had been squandered. Further, that they should have to call together the residents of the required number of houses and explain to them why and how the money they had been forced to hand over had been wasted.
turbobloke said:
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.
Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
And 'other people's money' does also mean the tax that I assume public sector workers also pay? There's always some small inference that somehow public sector workers are really careless with every other taxpayers money but not the tax that they all pay.Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
bobby_vimto said:
turbobloke said:
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.
Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
And 'other people's money' does also mean the tax that I assume public sector workers also pay? Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
turbobloke said:
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.
Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
You do the same in political threads. Can I ask why? It's not witty, and would suggest an inability to articulate your thoughts on the matter. Neither of which help support your argument very much.Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
iphonedyou said:
turbobloke said:
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.
Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
You do the same in political threads. Can I ask why?Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
Same goes for Tiny Bliar, Liarbore, LibDums and so on.
Are you really not coping even at that level?
turbobloke said:
eccles said:
You are making the same mistake as Turbobloke. You both seem to think that public sector staff should be subject to some sort of higher standards of discipline than private sector workers.
Your own personal mistake is to think we're wrong.Users / consumers of other people's money in officialdumb absolutely must adhere to higher standards than users / consumers of their own money. That's the sort of higher standard which covers everything, since every minute a public sector worker is (supposedly) at work they're spending other people's money, if only on their salary and pension.
bobby_vimto said:
And 'other people's money' does also mean the tax that I assume public sector workers also pay? There's always some small inference that somehow public sector workers are really careless with every other taxpayers money but not the tax that they all pay.
But public sector types don't pay income tax or NI.They should all be given new contracts, 35% less gross salary and more realistic pensions like it or lump it.
Would mean HMRC could sign off a few of their staff too, win win.
SpeedMattersNot said:
sd477667 said:
eccles said:
You are implying that those in the public sector would not be promoted for it, when the regularly are.
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