North Korea - how serious should we take them?

[Grumfutock]

Apache said:

Would it not be a lot more grown up just to let Kim I'll stamp my feet till someone listens, throw his artillery shells into the sea? I mean why respond? it's like giving a toddler time for throwing a hissy fit

He cant hide incoming from his own people, as much as he would like to. So it tells NK population that maybe, just maybe, the South isn't as weak as he tells them.

[jmorgan]

On the flip side he can say the South are naughty for shelling them for no reason. Keep the populace under the thumb.

[Apache]

Maybe, assuming he gives a st what his people think

[Dog Star]

This is the problem with NK; I'd gladly watch them get invaded and his army flattened and free the population. However the army are under the same boot and know no better, so that's not entirely fair.

They're all going to be getting a rather big shock when his regime does fall and they see how much they've been duped and how people in the free world really live. I'd be fking livid.

[MonkeyHanger]

Jimbeaux said:

Oh, and tie a McDonald"s happy meal to each little parachute as well.

Haven't they suffered enough?

[AreOut]

Jimbeaux said:

May be better to airdrop a few million charged MI-FIs and iPads so they can get a good look at better lives elsewhere and finally do a takedown from the inside. Oh, and tie a McDonald"s happy meal to each little parachute as well.

NK has fairly good air defence and certainly wouldn't welcome perpetrators. That wouldn't end well.

[eldar]

AreOut said:

NK has fairly good air defence and certainly wouldn't welcome perpetrators. That wouldn't end well.

How well would it work against 35,000 Amazon delivery drones?

[skyrover]

AreOut said:

Jimbeaux said:

May be better to airdrop a few million charged MI-FIs and iPads so they can get a good look at better lives elsewhere and finally do a takedown from the inside. Oh, and tie a McDonald"s happy meal to each little parachute as well.

NK has fairly good air defence and certainly wouldn't welcome perpetrators. That wouldn't end well.

The south already does this with balloons. They've been doing it for years.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/foreign/26-Mar-2014/s...

http://www.voanews.com/content/skorean-activists-s...

Needless to say it's a major sticking point in North South relations

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-06/28/nor...

i.e "send anymore balloons over the border and we will find out who you are and kill you"

[Munter]

Dog Star said:

This is the problem with NK; I'd gladly watch them get invaded and his army flattened and free the population. However the army are under the same boot and know no better, so that's not entirely fair.

They're all going to be getting a rather big shock when his regime does fall and they see how much they've been duped and how people in the free world really live. I'd be fking livid.

Here's the problem as I see it

If we go in: Many of the NK population will die fighting and as collateral damage.
If we encourage revolution: Many of the NK population will die fighting and in camps.
If we don't go in: Many of the NK population will die in camps and of starvation.

Basically there is no good option, and we'd be on the hook financially with (So sorry many of you got killed payments), if we get too involved. So we watch them die, rather than kill them. It's all fun fun fun.

[jmorgan]

Problem with a captive population. Even if someone has a coup tomorrow non west intervention there is the potential for mayhem.

[AreOut]

eldar said:

How well would it work against 35,000 Amazon delivery drones?

they'd consider it an act of aggresion and act accordingly (= salvo of ballistic missiles with chemical warheads towards Seoul)

[anonymous-user]

North Korean leaders, stupid trousers, stupid oversized hats and silly hair.

[Jimbeaux]

AreOut said:

Jimbeaux said:

May be better to airdrop a few million charged MI-FIs and iPads so they can get a good look at better lives elsewhere and finally do a takedown from the inside. Oh, and tie a McDonald"s happy meal to each little parachute as well.

NK has fairly good air defence and certainly wouldn't welcome perpetrators. That wouldn't end well.

Am I to understand you took me seriously?

[Mermaid]

Jimbeaux said:

AreOut said:

Jimbeaux said:

May be better to airdrop a few million charged MI-FIs and iPads so they can get a good look at better lives elsewhere and finally do a takedown from the inside. Oh, and tie a McDonald"s happy meal to each little parachute as well.

NK has fairly good air defence and certainly wouldn't welcome perpetrators. That wouldn't end well.

Am I to understand you took me seriously?

Regardless, NK will hang itself so why get involved.

[Jimbeaux]

Mermaid said:

Jimbeaux said:

AreOut said:

Jimbeaux said:

May be better to airdrop a few million charged MI-FIs and iPads so they can get a good look at better lives elsewhere and finally do a takedown from the inside. Oh, and tie a McDonald"s happy meal to each little parachute as well.

NK has fairly good air defence and certainly wouldn't welcome perpetrators. That wouldn't end well.

Am I to understand you took me seriously?

Regardless, NK will hang itself so why get involved.

Agreed, it is a matter of time IMO.

[hidetheelephants]

jmorgan said:

Problem with a captive population. Even if someone has a coup tomorrow non west intervention there is the potential for mayhem.

Not half. The Iraq thing illustrated what happens if you overturn a highly ordered tyranny without having a transition plan and dismantle the apparatus of state before there's a replacement available; it all goes to ratst in a New York minute, the populace think you're a cock and throw shoes at you. The planning/prep to deal with the fallout from overturning NK will be a lot more expensive and time-consuming than the military effort to achieve the toppling in the first place.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Tuesday 1st April 20:50

[Mermaid]

hidetheelephants said:

The planning/prep to deal with the fallout from overturning NK will be a lot more expensive and time-consuming than the military effort to achieve the toppling in the fist place.

& no-one willing to pay the cost, and/for no oil resources to pillage.

[Jimbeaux]

Mermaid said:

hidetheelephants said:

The planning/prep to deal with the fallout from overturning NK will be a lot more expensive and time-consuming than the military effort to achieve the toppling in the fist place.

& no-one willing to pay the cost, and/for no oil resources to pillage.

Who has pillaged Iraqi oil? Just curious.

[hidetheelephants]

Jimbeaux said:

Mermaid said:

hidetheelephants said:

The planning/prep to deal with the fallout from overturning NK will be a lot more expensive and time-consuming than the military effort to achieve the toppling in the fist place.

& no-one willing to pay the cost, and/for no oil resources to pillage.

Who has pillaged Iraqi oil? Just curious.

The lizards.

[Talksteer]

hidetheelephants said:

jmorgan said:

Problem with a captive population. Even if someone has a coup tomorrow non west intervention there is the potential for mayhem.

Not half. The Iraq thing illustrated what happens if you overturn a highly ordered tyranny without having a transition plan and dismantle the apparatus of state before there's a replacement available; it all goes to ratst in a New York minute, the populace think you're a cock and throw shoes at you. The planning/prep to deal with the fallout from overturning NK will be a lot more expensive and time-consuming than the military effort to achieve the toppling in the first place.

I wouldn't necessarily assume it would go that way, take Germany as the counter example.

Half the problems with Iraq are related to it's complicated ethnic and religious make up combined with the fact that the great satan invaded. The North Koreans were effectively one people with the south, though 60 years of insane rule may have changed that to a degree.