North Korea - how serious should we take them?
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10 Pence Short said:
Zod said:
NK would obviously cause damage and a lot of casualties on the first day or so in SK, but it would all be over very quickly.
"Herro, is that China? Herro? We need your help. You promised! Herro!?"Click. Brrrrrrr.
Zod said:
superkartracer said:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/south...
500 odd shells fired in a bit of a test the other day, they seemed to work.
NK would obviously cause damage and a lot of casualties on the first day or so in SK, but it would all be over very quickly.500 odd shells fired in a bit of a test the other day, they seemed to work.
superkartracer said:
100% agree but give the little enough time and he'll have a working Nuke..
He already has one... But despite being as big as their ancient Taep O Dong rockets (badly copied ripoffs of Ruski cold war missiles) can carry, the yield is so pathetic that detonating it in the middle of Central Park would leave Times Square unaffected Of course, that assuming the missile doesn't miss the USA completely....
superkartracer said:
quantity has a quality all of its ownirocfan said:
superkartracer said:
quantity has a quality all of its ownZod said:
irocfan said:
superkartracer said:
quantity has a quality all of its ownGerman tanks were more accurate, better made.
Russia had lots and lots of really ste tanks with woeful targeting and still took the German tanks out.
Troubleatmill said:
Zod said:
irocfan said:
superkartracer said:
quantity has a quality all of its ownGerman tanks were more accurate, better made.
Russia had lots and lots of really ste tanks with woeful targeting and still took the German tanks out.
Zod said:
Troubleatmill said:
Zod said:
irocfan said:
superkartracer said:
quantity has a quality all of its ownGerman tanks were more accurate, better made.
Russia had lots and lots of really ste tanks with woeful targeting and still took the German tanks out.
hidetheelephants said:
Zod said:
Troubleatmill said:
Zod said:
irocfan said:
superkartracer said:
quantity has a quality all of its ownGerman tanks were more accurate, better made.
Russia had lots and lots of really ste tanks with woeful targeting and still took the German tanks out.
The only thing they have in common is the sloped glacis plate and eventually a high velocity gun.
As far as the KPAF goes, these stats are generally considered to be fairly accurate. Given the issues we have keeping 60 odd Hawk T1s in the air there is no hope in hell that NK have any more than whats listed below!
Fighter aircraft: 484
Only 23 are known to be operational. 7 MiG-29s, and 16 MiG-23
Strike aircraft: 194
Less than 11 are known to be operational. All are SU-25s.
Trainer aircraft: 357
Less than 30 are known to be operational.
Transport aircraft: ~500
Less than 30 are known to be operational. 2 Il-76MDs, < 4 Mi-8s, < 20 Mi-2s
Other: 82+
Less than 19 are known to be operational. 1 Antonov An-24, and 18 MD-500D
The older stuff will be unserviceable but kept shiny so they look good at military parades for Dear Leader. The few pilots they have get something like <20 flying hours per year so its fair to say that any half-competent combat pilot could spoil their day. I would suspect that if NK jets ever flew in combat it would be Chinese mercenaries in the seats not Koreans.
this is quite a good read
http://www.nknews.org/2013/08/why-is-tracking-nort...
Fighter aircraft: 484
Only 23 are known to be operational. 7 MiG-29s, and 16 MiG-23
Strike aircraft: 194
Less than 11 are known to be operational. All are SU-25s.
Trainer aircraft: 357
Less than 30 are known to be operational.
Transport aircraft: ~500
Less than 30 are known to be operational. 2 Il-76MDs, < 4 Mi-8s, < 20 Mi-2s
Other: 82+
Less than 19 are known to be operational. 1 Antonov An-24, and 18 MD-500D
The older stuff will be unserviceable but kept shiny so they look good at military parades for Dear Leader. The few pilots they have get something like <20 flying hours per year so its fair to say that any half-competent combat pilot could spoil their day. I would suspect that if NK jets ever flew in combat it would be Chinese mercenaries in the seats not Koreans.
this is quite a good read
http://www.nknews.org/2013/08/why-is-tracking-nort...
Talksteer said:
The T34 is "rear wheel drive" the Panzerkampfwagen V Pather is "front wheel drive". The T34 had christie suspension the Panther had interlevered torsion beams, both were equally over engineered and difficult to service.
The only thing they have in common is the sloped glacis plate and eventually a high velocity gun.
The only thing they have in common is the sloped glacis plate and eventually a high velocity gun.
Good tank info, thanks
just noticed...
great username !!
jmorgan said:
They also battered the Germans with superior numbers. The casualty figures are interesting.
^^^ this - did I read that the NK have got nearly 10,000,000 people either in the armed forces (or farces if you think like some) or reservists.... that would be carnage on an unimaginable scaleirocfan said:
^^^ this - did I read that the NK have got nearly 10,000,000 people either in the armed forces (or farces if you think like some) or reservists.... that would be carnage on an unimaginable scale
The North Korean army would never invade the south, as they wouldn't have 10million fighters, but 10million deserters as soon as the cross the border. Then Kim in the north will be very ronery.hidetheelephants said:
Zod said:
Troubleatmill said:
Zod said:
irocfan said:
superkartracer said:
quantity has a quality all of its ownGerman tanks were more accurate, better made.
Russia had lots and lots of really ste tanks with woeful targeting and still took the German tanks out.
Happy to stand corrected.
Troubleatmill said:
If I could only remember the documentary on the German tank I got my info from.
Happy to stand corrected.
Quality control impeded the top German tank at Kursk, and the Tiger wasn't invulnerable or in sufficient numbers.Happy to stand corrected.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/tiger_tank.ht...
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/battle_of_kur...
FourWheelDrift said:
The North Korean army would never invade the south, as they wouldn't have 10million fighters, but 10million deserters as soon as the cross the border. Then Kim in the north will be very ronery.
I wouldn't be so sure about that with the amount of propaganda and brainwashing pumped into the NK population, "give your lives in defence of the glorious leader" or similar, I suspect.Something akin to the Japanese philosophy of WW2.
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