North Korea - how serious should we take them?

North Korea - how serious should we take them?

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anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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And now Dear Leader is giving them Top Gear....

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/10026...


Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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I hope he censors all the racism out. biggrin

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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pablo said:
As far as the KPAF goes, these stats are generally considered to be fairly accurate. Given the issues we have keeping 60 odd Hawk T1s in the air there is no hope in hell that NK have any more than whats listed below!

Fighter aircraft: 484
Only 23 are known to be operational. 7 MiG-29s, and 16 MiG-23

Strike aircraft: 194
Less than 11 are known to be operational. All are SU-25s.

Trainer aircraft: 357
Less than 30 are known to be operational.

Transport aircraft: ~500
Less than 30 are known to be operational. 2 Il-76MDs, < 4 Mi-8s, < 20 Mi-2s

Other: 82+
Less than 19 are known to be operational. 1 Antonov An-24, and 18 MD-500D
I suspect there is a difference between 'operational' in peacetime and 'could be got into the air at a pinch' in wartime.

hairykrishna

13,159 posts

202 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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ChemicalChaos said:
He already has one... But despite being as big as their ancient Taep O Dong rockets (badly copied ripoffs of Ruski cold war missiles) can carry, the yield is so pathetic that detonating it in the middle of Central Park would leave Times Square unaffected laugh

Of course, that assuming the missile doesn't miss the USA completely....
Nobody knows how heavy their nukes are, or at least it's not public knowledge. I'd be absolutely astonished if they've built one that's light enough to be carried by their ICBMs.

Conian

8,030 posts

200 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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pablo said:
And now Dear Leader is giving them Top Gear....

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/10026...
This years Xmas special has it's location sorted then biggrin

Lost soul

8,712 posts

181 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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Zod said:
superkartracer said:
Mostly 50-60 year old hardware. They are still flying MIG 17s FFS! It wouldn't have a hope against US technology. They could launch hundreds of MIG 17s and 21s and the only issue for the Americans would be loading enough armament on a handful of places to shoot down the lotin a matter of minutes from way outside Korean visual or radar contact.
Also how much of it is serviceable at any one time

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Beware the NK Haircut Police...

First this



Then a visit...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-270387...

Laurel Green

30,770 posts

231 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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A gift horse and all that... rofl

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Is that 15% of your height?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Someone's banging on my door. Please delete all my posts immediately...

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

158 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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I'm due a trip to South Korea.

Wonder how it would go down if I sport a coiffure like that?

Laurel Green

30,770 posts

231 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Troubleatmill said:
I'm due a trip to South Korea.

Wonder how it would go down if I sport a coiffure like that?
They'll probably give you the 15% off. hehe

Could be off the head or the legs.

hidetheelephants

23,772 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Troubleatmill said:
I'm due a trip to South Korea.

Wonder how it would go down if I sport a coiffure like that?
Depends; do you resemble Dennis Rodman at all?

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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The ferry sinking in SK waters. Another NK torp?

From the BBC:

"It is not yet clear what caused the incident, but witnesses described hearing an impact, before the ship listed and quickly sank.

One passenger told the YTN news channel: "We heard a big thumping sound and the boat stopped."

Don't trust the north, ever.

Lost soul

8,712 posts

181 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Don't trust the north, ever.
this new lad seems to be shaping up to be worse than his Daddy or granddaddy

The Ferry seems a likely NK stunt

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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I've wondered about the ferry also. I would think an investigation of the damaged ship will happen and then finger pointing might occur.

Could a collision with a submerged container knock a hole in the ferry? Was it a NK torpedo/mine? Who knows!..

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Munter said:
Could a collision with a submerged container knock a hole in the ferry?
Guess it's theoretically possible and that area is going to be very busy with container ships, but if the container had much weight to it, it'd sink anyway, so unless it was a fluke corner-on type impact, you;d hope it wasn't possible.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Sinking inside of 2 hours, it would have to be a bloody big hole, but it could of been one of those armoured NK whale sympathiser.

If it is military action i would suspect a mine attached to the hull. Sea mine or torp would be obvious by the water tower it would create.

Gecko1978

9,603 posts

156 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Sinking inside of 2 hours, it would have to be a bloody big hole, but it could of been one of those armoured NK whale sympathiser.

If it is military action i would suspect a mine attached to the hull. Sea mine or torp would be obvious by the water tower it would create.
I wonder how you even responde to things like this if it were the result of military attack.

Say it was a cross channel ferry and an non EU nation sunk it deliberatly what would our responce be. The rational part of my mind says sactions, international condemnation, shouting in the UN etc, I just don't see war if it were a one off. In the waters around Korea though hmm maybe but then you are talking 100,000 deaths or more so is it worth it. But then do the South Koreans just accept being killed off now and again. Really hard to see a logical outcome to all of this.

SilverSixer

8,202 posts

150 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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SK and NK are still at war with each other. Makes it a bit different to any scenario in the Channel.