Police Officer sues Victim
Discussion
Getragdogleg said:
In the background is a lamppost, I doubt the area was pitch black and she could not see a thing.
Not a lampost, just looks like it, you can see it better in the pic in the paper, but it looks like there is a lampost in the other pic, just to the right of the pic.Either way, silly cow, wasting our money
130R said:
Looking at the picture of her - how is anyone that fat supposed to catch a criminal anyway? Do they not have basic fitness as a prerequisite for being in the police force?
I think they need to achieve something pathetic like level 7 on a bleep test and a minimal push/pull test that would prove they could handle a toddler 
eccles said:
They Have bits of the letter in the Mail, with the last paragraph making mention of being backed by the Police federation.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2301650/Ca...
I think that has to be on all "no win no fee" letters as a notification that it's being dealt with that way. It could be seen as a positive thing in that the defendant knows that if they defend and win they won't be left with their solicitor's bill if the appellant is penniless.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2301650/Ca...
Let us make the massive leap of faith and accept - temporarily of course - that all the information is not included in the article in the Mail. Questionable I know, but as an intellectual exercise it might have something going for it.
The police regulations mean that if the woman has had any time off work through the injury then this is counted on a rolling method. If she goes over the limit she has her sick pay reduced. If Norfolk constab. has docked her any money for sick leave then if she can't work then she will have her wages cut. If memory serves, after six months it is half pay and after a year it is zero. This have major implications as regards to pension entitlements.
I note this letter comes seven months after the incident so it is possible.
Further, you cannot get any compensation from your pension if you are likely (i.e. over 50% they say but some suggest there is a decimal point missing) to recover at any time. This means that if you have an injury that the medics will say that you will recover from in ten years but you have just two years to your retirement, you have to either retire early and so lose a massive amount of your pension or carry on being sick and lose it all. Any time means any time in your expected life.
So what would you do if, during your duty you suffered an injury that lost you money? Dropped you to half pay for instance? And your police force refused to support you? Cut down on your outgoings and suffer in silence or perhaps seek legal advice.
But then that can't be what happened here as the Mail would have published both sides of the story. They, unlike the BBC, have taken the trouble to doorstep the PC so they would know all about the case and would have put the entire story in the paper.
But then I don't know, but then nor does anyone else.
The case does not challenge anything, despite what Vaz says (another one we should not perhaps listen too without a salt mine). Police have in the past sued private companies privately. I know of two cases in detail, one where a chief inspector was critically injured but survived with considerable injuries. The company negotiated a settlement with his lawyers rather promptly. The other one was more subtle in its implications but it was still a police officer suing a company. This one dragged on for a couple of years but in those days the government, a tory one, was not attacking the police at every opportunity so the public would not have been hit with an expose in the Mail.
I have heard of other cases as well but don't know all the details.
So this case will set no precedents, is not new and not news.
The police regulations mean that if the woman has had any time off work through the injury then this is counted on a rolling method. If she goes over the limit she has her sick pay reduced. If Norfolk constab. has docked her any money for sick leave then if she can't work then she will have her wages cut. If memory serves, after six months it is half pay and after a year it is zero. This have major implications as regards to pension entitlements.
I note this letter comes seven months after the incident so it is possible.
Further, you cannot get any compensation from your pension if you are likely (i.e. over 50% they say but some suggest there is a decimal point missing) to recover at any time. This means that if you have an injury that the medics will say that you will recover from in ten years but you have just two years to your retirement, you have to either retire early and so lose a massive amount of your pension or carry on being sick and lose it all. Any time means any time in your expected life.
So what would you do if, during your duty you suffered an injury that lost you money? Dropped you to half pay for instance? And your police force refused to support you? Cut down on your outgoings and suffer in silence or perhaps seek legal advice.
But then that can't be what happened here as the Mail would have published both sides of the story. They, unlike the BBC, have taken the trouble to doorstep the PC so they would know all about the case and would have put the entire story in the paper.
But then I don't know, but then nor does anyone else.
The case does not challenge anything, despite what Vaz says (another one we should not perhaps listen too without a salt mine). Police have in the past sued private companies privately. I know of two cases in detail, one where a chief inspector was critically injured but survived with considerable injuries. The company negotiated a settlement with his lawyers rather promptly. The other one was more subtle in its implications but it was still a police officer suing a company. This one dragged on for a couple of years but in those days the government, a tory one, was not attacking the police at every opportunity so the public would not have been hit with an expose in the Mail.
I have heard of other cases as well but don't know all the details.
So this case will set no precedents, is not new and not news.
Derek, I am broadly comfortable with the idea that a police officer in the course of their duties, injured by gross negligence should have recourse in court.
Let's imagine a roof top chase, the Po leans on a safety hand rail, which gives way and the PO falls. I would be quite happy if the PO sued.
However, this case, APPEARS to be one in which no major trauma was suffered, looks reasonably foreseeable by the PO, and was of a type where gross negligence would be questionable. What did she want a sign saying mind the kerb, that is patently stupid.
If this was jo public, falling off a kerb outside Maccy d's I would be equalled appalled by the depth of compo culture gone feral.
Let's imagine a roof top chase, the Po leans on a safety hand rail, which gives way and the PO falls. I would be quite happy if the PO sued.
However, this case, APPEARS to be one in which no major trauma was suffered, looks reasonably foreseeable by the PO, and was of a type where gross negligence would be questionable. What did she want a sign saying mind the kerb, that is patently stupid.
If this was jo public, falling off a kerb outside Maccy d's I would be equalled appalled by the depth of compo culture gone feral.
eharding said:
dandarez said:
The image of today's bobby. Well, one of 'em. Makes you feel so reassured doesn't it?
I'll sleep safe tonight with no fear.
Think, you can call on their help and they'll be there in the flash of a torchlight, or not as the case may be.
Is it my imagination, but are coppers getting fatter these days? Or maybe I'm getting thinner.I'll sleep safe tonight with no fear.
Think, you can call on their help and they'll be there in the flash of a torchlight, or not as the case may be.
Got to love the daily wails "the world is ending" approach though - just because one police officer decides to sue a victim of crime for an alleged danger on the property - that does not mean others will do the same
.And she may not even succeed - would i be expecting too much that the judge uses his/her common sense when it gets to court
. And yes i am aware that Judge and common sense in one sentance is a bit like suncream and heavy rain - they don't go well together 
Sir Fergie
Aren't police officers issued torches as part of their PPE? When I'm working on site at night I'm supposed to have, amongst other safety kit, a head torch. It's made very clear to us that if we haven't got a torch, boots, safety gloves etc and an accident happens as a result of that then it's nobody's fault but ours. We certainly couldn't make a claim.
Surely a police officer going to the scene of a crime at night would require a torch?
I see that this policewoman is currently off sick with an ailment "unconnected to this incident". Ah, I think we've all worked with people like that haven't we - a constant sickie.
Surely a police officer going to the scene of a crime at night would require a torch?
I see that this policewoman is currently off sick with an ailment "unconnected to this incident". Ah, I think we've all worked with people like that haven't we - a constant sickie.
Pesty said:
So if she wins she gets 50k if she loses we pay the bill?
Thank goodness someone knows how to spell 'loses' in context.I have been contemplating suing the PH Mods jointly and severally for the trauma I suffer at the hands of those who incorrectly insert an additional "O".
Streaky
streaky said:
Pesty said:
So if she wins she gets 50k if she loses we pay the bill?
Thank goodness someone knows how to spell 'loses' in context.I have been contemplating suing the PH Mods jointly and severally for the trauma I suffer at the hands of those who incorrectly insert an additional "O".
Streaky
Gargamel said:
Derek, I am broadly comfortable with the idea that a police officer in the course of their duties, injured by gross negligence should have recourse in court.
Let's imagine a roof top chase, the Po leans on a safety hand rail, which gives way and the PO falls. I would be quite happy if the PO sued.
However, this case, APPEARS to be one in which no major trauma was suffered, looks reasonably foreseeable by the PO, and was of a type where gross negligence would be questionable. What did she want a sign saying mind the kerb, that is patently stupid.
If this was jo public, falling off a kerb outside Maccy d's I would be equalled appalled by the depth of compo culture gone feral.
I was thinking along the lines of your emphasis. Appears is what rings bells with me. For a 50K claim she must have suffered injury which has caused her some loss. What that specific loss is we were not informed. We don't even know if she's on sick or reduced duties.Let's imagine a roof top chase, the Po leans on a safety hand rail, which gives way and the PO falls. I would be quite happy if the PO sued.
However, this case, APPEARS to be one in which no major trauma was suffered, looks reasonably foreseeable by the PO, and was of a type where gross negligence would be questionable. What did she want a sign saying mind the kerb, that is patently stupid.
If this was jo public, falling off a kerb outside Maccy d's I would be equalled appalled by the depth of compo culture gone feral.
My main point, though, is that this is not new and has gone on for years.
Much emphasis is placed on the fact that the woman got up immediately and ran on. I spoke with an officer who was shot in the hip and had the joint shattered and his hip fractured. He fell to the ground and then stood up. I'm not suggesting that this woman was that seriously injured of course, but just saying that it is a shame that the articles are not as heavily laden with facts as they are with outrage.
Vax, as per normal, was saying a right load of rubbish. If the press have to quote him then I always smell a rat. And that's not only him.
On 25th October 2012, @stuartbruce offered congratulations to @jamiehanley on his new job as "partner and Head of Client Relations at trade union law firm Pattinson & Brewer"
Would anyone on PH like to also offer @jamiehanley congratulations?
Reading his twitter profile I'm sure the vast majority of PH will fall in love with the chap.
Would anyone on PH like to also offer @jamiehanley congratulations?
Reading his twitter profile I'm sure the vast majority of PH will fall in love with the chap.
We live in a blame culture, instead of just accepting our f
ks up, some are just out to grab as much money as they can by finding someone to blame.
There is a time and place to seek compensation, on what I read so far, she is just taking the piss big time.
Maybe next time we should not let the police near us without hi viz jackets, so they can be seen, hard hats in case something falls on them, stabilisers in case they fall over, padded trousers in case they fall on their arse, and have a lawyer in attendance to witness them signing a a disclaimer against the public for their own stupidity.
Oh and headlights on the toe caps of their boots and ground level radar just in case they are approaching any boulders.
ks up, some are just out to grab as much money as they can by finding someone to blame.There is a time and place to seek compensation, on what I read so far, she is just taking the piss big time.
Maybe next time we should not let the police near us without hi viz jackets, so they can be seen, hard hats in case something falls on them, stabilisers in case they fall over, padded trousers in case they fall on their arse, and have a lawyer in attendance to witness them signing a a disclaimer against the public for their own stupidity.
Oh and headlights on the toe caps of their boots and ground level radar just in case they are approaching any boulders.
Looks like they are all on it?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2302068/Po...
Is that why our usually outspoken resident officers are nowhere to be seen?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2302068/Po...
Is that why our usually outspoken resident officers are nowhere to be seen?
Looks as if this one is going to end up on the Home Secretary's desk.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/case_threatens_the_fab...
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