Bad (fatal) accident on Thomas Lewis way tonight
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An on duty police officer on an undercover police bike was killed in an accident on a notoriously bad piece of road near me tonight. R.I.P. I hope this spurs the authorities on to maybe do something about the lay out of this particular stretch of road this time .
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10331525.Police_mo...
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10331525.Police_mo...
Andy Zarse said:
It's a straight road with a 40mph limit. I often use it and I can't understand how it's classed as notorious, it seems perfectly ordinary to me.
Terrible accident though, condolences.
There are quite a few junctions. Only takes one person to sail through on a red, especially if he'd filtered through the queue on the motorcycle and was first away from the lights.Terrible accident though, condolences.
rohrl said:
Andy Zarse said:
It's a straight road with a 40mph limit. I often use it and I can't understand how it's classed as notorious, it seems perfectly ordinary to me.
Terrible accident though, condolences.
There are quite a few junctions. Only takes one person to sail through on a red, especially if he'd filtered through the queue on the motorcycle and was first away from the lights.Terrible accident though, condolences.
Years ago when I lived near that road it was closed when a driver flipped his car from the road onto the railway line and turned it into a fireball How he did it on a straight stretch of road I've no idea. I guess some people just go too fast down there and the traffic light phasing expects drivers to be doing no more that 40 mph - if you're going much faster than that then you'll find a car appearing in you path when you jump the red light...
s3fella said:
Sad. Angle of the car looks odd, was he turning across toward the petrol station from the ns lane?
It certainly looks that way. It looks as though the car driver was going for an illegal right hand turn which would have taken him into the (clearly signposted) 'exit only' of the petrol station. I see that particular manouver all the time, at that point of the road.Gwagon111 said:
s3fella said:
Sad. Angle of the car looks odd, was he turning across toward the petrol station from the ns lane?
It certainly looks that way. It looks as though the car driver was going for an illegal right hand turn which would have taken him into the (clearly signposted) 'exit only' of the petrol station. I see that particular manouver all the time, at that point of the road.Just found this page;
http://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/m272/
Clearly the formation/alignment was originally intended for a motorway.
http://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/m272/
Clearly the formation/alignment was originally intended for a motorway.
This is coming from the other direction, and it does seem that the BMW was making a right turn after the central reservation.
The CR doesnt seem to be long enough?
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
But then, at the other end facing the same direction, all it shows is a no u turn..
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
The CR doesnt seem to be long enough?
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
But then, at the other end facing the same direction, all it shows is a no u turn..
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
Magog said:
Just found this page;
http://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/m272/
Clearly the formation/alignment was originally intended for a motorway.
That is correct.http://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/m272/
Clearly the formation/alignment was originally intended for a motorway.
Alucidnation said:
This is coming from the other direction, and it does seem that the BMW was making a right turn after the central reservation.
The CR doesnt seem to be long enough?
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
But then, at the other end facing the same direction, all it shows is a no u turn..
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
If you don't know the road, it can be very confusing.The CR doesnt seem to be long enough?
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
But then, at the other end facing the same direction, all it shows is a no u turn..
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
I've attempted to make that turn once (edit: not quite, into the entrance instead of the exit)
I couldn't decide if it was allowed or not, but it turned out to be too difficult, and dangerous whilst sat there, so I abandoned it.
A strange bit of road, all in all, including how it isn't quite two lanes. The M271 is also odd, like a practice motorway, and is of the same era. Perhaps they didn't really know what they were doing.
I couldn't decide if it was allowed or not, but it turned out to be too difficult, and dangerous whilst sat there, so I abandoned it.
A strange bit of road, all in all, including how it isn't quite two lanes. The M271 is also odd, like a practice motorway, and is of the same era. Perhaps they didn't really know what they were doing.
Edited by trashbat on Thursday 4th April 16:41
Gwagon111 said:
If you don't know the road, it can be very confusing.
What is never confusing is the fact that the law requires you drive with due care and attention. And that means effective observation before making any manouver, including a right turn. Whilst we will have to wait the inquest, it is possible the driver probably failed to do so.
I'm not sure I see anything especially confusing about either sign. The first is no right turn. The second is no U-turn which means you may turn right when the road ahead is clear of oncoming traffic.
Andy Zarse said:
It's a straight road with a 40mph limit. I often use it and I can't understand how it's classed as notorious, it seems perfectly ordinary to me.
Terrible accident though, condolences.
It's quite an "Odd" road though, when I lived in Soton I used to drive it a lot. Can't really describe why, it's just... strange.Terrible accident though, condolences.
Gwagon111 said:
Alucidnation said:
This is coming from the other direction, and it does seem that the BMW was making a right turn after the central reservation.
The CR doesnt seem to be long enough?
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
But then, at the other end facing the same direction, all it shows is a no u turn..
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
If you don't know the road, it can be very confusing.The CR doesnt seem to be long enough?
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
But then, at the other end facing the same direction, all it shows is a no u turn..
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
Andy Zarse said:
Gwagon111 said:
If you don't know the road, it can be very confusing.
I'm not sure I see anything especially confusing about either sign. The first is no right turn. The second is no U-turn which means you may turn right when the road ahead is clear of oncoming traffic.All in all, a very badly designed layout.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thomas+lewis+way&...
Also, isnt there something in the driving code that says you should not cross those road markings?
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