Osbourne you plonker

[obob]

This doesn't make him a plonker, using the manslaughter of 6 kids to make a political point makes him an absolute bell end.

[andymadmak]

obob said:

This doesn't make him a plonker, using the manslaughter of 6 kids to make a political point makes him an absolute bell end.

Except he didn't really do that either did he?
What stuns me (and I do mean stuns) in this is just how far the left will bend itself out of shape in order to get itself "outraged" at a Tory Minister. It's not as if there is nothing more serious going on in the world that requires their attention is it?
Ministers driver parks in a disabled spot - such action may or may not have been the SOP for the circumstances. Did George park the car? No! You could be forgiven for thinking otherwise though.
Minister points out that the lifestyles of some people on benefits is unacceptable, using a high profile example in Mick Philpott (the man, not his murdered kids as you and the lefties imply) and now all of a sudden he is supposedly attacking all people on benefits.

The BBC has Dot Cotton wailing about her "bedroom tax".... except that as a pensioner she's exempt.

Meanwhile, in other news, death, war, plague, famine, North Korea, collapsing EU etc etc

[obob]

andymadmak said:

obob said:

This doesn't make him a plonker, using the manslaughter of 6 kids to make a political point makes him an absolute bell end.

Except he didn't really do that either did he?
What stuns me (and I do mean stuns) in this is just how far the left will bend itself out of shape in order to get itself "outraged" at a Tory Minister. It's not as if there is nothing more serious going on in the world that requires their attention is it?
Ministers driver parks in a disabled spot - such action may or may not have been the SOP for the circumstances. Did George park the car? No! You could be forgiven for thinking otherwise though.
Minister points out that the lifestyles of some people on benefits is unacceptable, using a high profile example in Mick Philpott (the man, not his murdered kids as you and the lefties imply) and now all of a sudden he is supposedly attacking all people on benefits.

The BBC has Dot Cotton wailing about her "bedroom tax".... except that as a pensioner she's exempt.

Meanwhile, in other news, death, war, plague, famine, North Korea, collapsing EU etc etc

Yes he did, OK he used the man not the kids but it still makes him look like a heartless tt. Even though I agree with the points he was making, it was not a good time to make them. And stop saying leftie at everything/everyone, makes you sound childish.

[andymadmak]

obob said:

Yes he did, OK he used the man not the kids but it still makes him look like a heartless tt. Even though I agree with the points he was making, it was not a good time to make them. And stop saying leftie at everything/everyone, makes you sound childish.

But it is those on the left who typically respond with hysterical and shrill outbursts to what are actually quite reasonable points. Should taxpayers fund lifestyles like Mick Philpotts? Yes or no. Trying to find offence with the messenger, rather than deal with the very real problem at hand is rather more childish to my mind than calling somebody a leftie.
Why does it make him look like a heartless tt? What is more important in your opinion - looking good or saying what needs to be said.. especially when saying what needs to be said might in some way start to change what is a wholly unacceptable aspect of our society? Shall we all just shut up for fear of causing offence to those who need to change their ways? Maybe if the politicians had thought a bit more about the society they were creating over the past 15 years with its benefits largesse and entitlement culture we wouldn't have the deaths of 6 kids on our hands just because their celebrity scrounger daddy decided he was entitled to a larger house.

[tamore]

absolute non story. how on earth is this getting front page coverage given what else is going on?

the left smell blood and are clumsily trying to go in for the kill. opitomised by ed ballsack's 'outrage' at osborne's remark about philpott. i don't actually like osborne, but the point that if welfare was reformed as thoroughly as it should be, the likes of philpott wouldn't be able to carve a career out of dipping his wick, is a good one.

[Adrian W]

How can it be a non story when it's all over the TV news, Radio and newspapers, whether you like it or not it is a story, they are turning it into a story! that Osbourne couldn't give a st about working class disabled people

[vonuber]

andymadmak said:

But it is those on the left who typically respond with hysterical and shrill outbursts to what are actually quite reasonable points.

Do you not read the mail/express?

[andymadmak]

vonuber said:

andymadmak said:

But it is those on the left who typically respond with hysterical and shrill outbursts to what are actually quite reasonable points.

Do you not read the mail/express?

Nope. Hateful things.

[RizzoTheRat]

Adrian W said:

How can it be a non story when it's all over the TV news, Radio and newspapers, whether you like it or not it is a story, they are turning it into a story!

This, in spades, is the point of the original post. Surely anyone involved in politics, be it the politicians, the drivers, or the people who train the drivers, should be aware that things like this will become a news story because someone will try and make political points from it. Don't forget that politics is a popularity contest.

[vonuber]

andymadmak said:

Nope. Hateful things.

Because they typically respond with shrill and hysterical outbursts?

[Puggit]

If he was on the M4, shouldn't he have been using the train instead? First class, of course

[MX7]

obob said:

Yes he did, OK he used the man not the kids but it still makes him look like a heartless tt. Even though I agree with the points he was making, it was not a good time to make them. And stop saying leftie at everything/everyone, makes you sound childish.

That's not how I see it. What he said was, "Philpott is responsible for these absolutely horrendous crimes and these are crimes that have shocked the nation; the courts are responsible for sentencing him. But I think there is a question for government and for society about the welfare state – and the taxpayers who pay for the welfare state – subsidising lifestyles like that, and I think that debate needs to be had."

What he's said is that Philpot was responsible, and it needs discussion. It wasn't him that got the ball rolling, it was the Mail, but it seems to have engaged the public, so why would he not call for a debate?

If he ignores it, he's accused of being arrogant. If he says it needs talking about, he's heartless.

[andymadmak]

vonuber said:

andymadmak said:

Nope. Hateful things.

Because they typically respond with shrill and hysterical outbursts?

I don't know.. do they?
I occasionaly read the Telegraph and the FT. I have even been known to take a peek at the Guardian website, but the people there just seem so bien pensant in their approach, and their followers so utterly spittle flecked in their reactions to anything uttered by a bod from the blue side that you do wonder how they function on a daily basis.

Anyway, I am not sure why you are focussing on newspapers. Are newspapers people? The lefties I refer to are people like Balls, Milliband, Harman and those who follow them. But then again attack is the standard tactic of the left when the failures of their policies and ideas comes into view.
Suggest a debate on welfare dependancy? The left will burn you alive
Suggest a debate on immigration controls? Racist!
Suggest that education needs reform? You're attacking teachers
Cap benefits? You're attacking the poor
Want better healthcare for all at an affordable cost to the nation? You're attacking the NHS, Doctors, Nurses blah blah privatising, blah blah

I could go on, but what's the point?

[tamore]

Adrian W said:

How can it be a non story when it's all over the TV news, Radio and newspapers, whether you like it or not it is a story, they are turning it into a story! that Osbourne couldn't give a st about working class disabled people

plenty of non stories get ludicrous press coverage. non story, to anyone with half a brain and sense of perspective.

[vonuber]

He controlled the women (who worked - he had their wages paid into his account, along with their child benefit) through physical,sexual and psychological abuse. That case has nothing to do with benefits.

[RizzoTheRat]

tamore said:

Adrian W said:

How can it be a non story when it's all over the TV news, Radio and newspapers, whether you like it or not it is a story, they are turning it into a story! that Osbourne couldn't give a st about working class disabled people

plenty of non stories get ludicrous press coverage. non story, to anyone with half a brain and sense of perspective.

So quite a big story to a large portion of the electorate then.

[tamore]

vonuber said:

He controlled the women (who worked - he had their wages paid into his account, along with their child benefit) through physical,sexual and psychological abuse. That case has nothing to do with benefits.

i thought the hairbrianed plan to frame his mistress for the fire was due to her (and 5 of his cashcows) leaving taking her benefits payments with her?

[Adrian W]

RizzoTheRat said:

tamore said:

Adrian W said:

How can it be a non story when it's all over the TV news, Radio and newspapers, whether you like it or not it is a story, they are turning it into a story! that Osbourne couldn't give a st about working class disabled people

plenty of non stories get ludicrous press coverage. non story, to anyone with half a brain and sense of perspective.

So quite a big story to a large portion of the electorate then.

And exactly the people that governments use to get elected

Edited by Adrian W on Friday 5th April 11:25

[MX7]

obob said:

This doesn't make him a plonker, using the manslaughter of 6 kids to make a political point makes him an absolute bell end.

" Memo to Osborne. Mick Philpott was a Tory voter." - Labour MP Austin Mitchell.

I think that really is using the manslaughter of 6 kids to make a political point.

[andymadmak]

As I said in an earlier post, "I have even been known to take a peek at the Guardian website, but the people there just seem so bien pensant in their approach, and their followers so utterly spittle flecked in their reactions to anything uttered by a bod from the blue side that you do wonder how they function on a daily basis."

Now tell me, do these comments below, taken from the Guardian website article about Osbournes comments on the Philpott case, not prove how utterly devoid of morals and sense the left is in this country?

bods on Guardian website said:

'There's no depths to which this excuse for a human being will not sink
Using the loss of six children's lives for political capital.
Speaks volumes about Osborne.'

'I'm afraid he'll do anything for a headline in The Daily Mail. He's a nasty, vile little man!'

'I question why the taxpayer has to support the likes of Osbourne. Maybe he and his multimillionaire friends should give up their expenses (benefits) lifestyles. ' (extra Leftie points for the Millionaire reference?)

'I think a far more appropriate question is whether our lack of effective taxation for the wealthy to ensure decent life chances for all contributed to Osborne being such a see you next Tuesday.'

'Indeed! I heard about this five minutes ago from a colleague who exclaimed "Oh that nasty bandwagon jumping tossmonger!" I thought that it might have been something unsurprising about one of the prats in government, but this has left me utterly astonished. It's shamelessly awful.'

'Same drivel from a thoroughly disgusting human being.
And the BBC is helping promote this line of thinking at the expense of those poor children.'

' One could argue that Osborne is worse than Philpott. His controlling and vicious behaviour certainly affects many more people. ' (Stunning - now Osbourne is worse than a 6 x child murderer!)

'So true. Philpott, has been proven a criminal that killed 6 children.
How many deaths can be directly attributed to our glorious chancellor and his millionaire cabinet buddies with the evil policies they spew out? ten? a hundred? a thousand?'

Edited by andymadmak on Friday 5th April 11:53