Explain Poll Tax to me...

[whoami]

Countdown said:

Halb said:

I went looking, found this pdf.
http://www.taxjustice.net/cms/upload/pdf/AACA_flat...

Had a quick look through. Nowhere does it suggest that reducing everybody's tax rate would increase the tax take.

Just to clarify I'm not saying a flat tax rate would decrease/increase the tax rate.It depends on what the FTR is. In the examples given above a flat tax rate that was lower than ALL the existing tax rates WILL result in a lower tax rate in a country such as ours.

Lots of retrospective clarification there.

[Halb]

I saw a doc that espoused a type of flat tax a while ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Durkin_%28tele...

It mentioned HK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax#Countries_re...

[Countdown]

whoami said:

Countdown said:

whoami said:

Russia's tax take increased following the introduction of their flat rate in 2001.

The top rate of tax was previously 30%, the flat rate was 13%.

Linky ?

Well, it's widely reference but this is a good place to start.

It's in the summary on the first page if you don't want to read the whole article

Link says said:

..there is no evidence of of a strong supply side effect of the reform. Compliance does appear to have improved substantially...though it remains unclear whether this was due to the parametric tax reform or to accompanying changes in enforcement

That doesn't suggest that flat rate tax will automatically increase revenues. Furthermore I'd suggest that Russia, pre-Putin, couldn't have collected an STD at an orgy. So I'd give more credence to the "enforcement" for increasing tax collection.

[Countdown]

whoami said:

Countdown said:

Halb said:

I went looking, found this pdf.
http://www.taxjustice.net/cms/upload/pdf/AACA_flat...

Had a quick look through. Nowhere does it suggest that reducing everybody's tax rate would increase the tax take.

Just to clarify I'm not saying a flat tax rate would decrease/increase the tax rate.It depends on what the FTR is. In the examples given above a flat tax rate that was lower than ALL the existing tax rates WILL result in a lower tax rate in a country such as ours.

Lots of retrospective clarification there.

Only because some people appear to need more clarification

[whoami]

Countdown said:

Only because some people appear to need more clarification

Apology accepted...

[Halb]

...Captain Nedar...

[Countdown]

Halb said:

Countdown said:

Had a quick look through. Nowhere does it suggest that reducing everybody's tax rate would increase the tax take.

Just to clarify I'm not saying a flat tax rate would decrease/increase the tax rate.It depends on what the FTR is. In the examples given above a flat tax rate that was lower than ALL the existing tax rates WILL result in a lower tax rate in a country such as ours.

I didn't believe it said it would, I wasn't posting a polemic, I was posting info on it.
I believe in the theory of a flat tax, I am still looking for arguments against it.

I'm not "for" or "against" flat tax. All it may do (AFAICS) is take more tax from one segment of the population and reduce it for another. Whether this is better/worse depends on which segment you rseide in

[Halb]

Countdown said:

I'm not "for" or "against" flat tax. All it may do (AFAICS) is take more tax from one segment of the population and reduce it for another. Whether this is better/worse depends on which segment you rseide in

Whenever I look at something, I try to take myself away from the situation and look at it dispassionately, like an alien.

I believe in LVT (instead of council tax) because it makes allowance for history (which is important), and seems to be a way to improve the economy for all.

I believe in a flat tax (instead of levels) because it seems to be the fairest way overall. If it was shown to be not that great in practise, I would alter my view, I'm not a fundamentalist.

[Jockman]

Osborne says that the rich will pay more tax 'proportionately' at 45% than at 50%, as less will avoid it.

I get the theory in principle, but I think I'm going to have to sit down and think about that one

[whoami]

Jockman said:

Osborne says that the rich will pay more tax 'proportionately' at 45% than at 50%, as less will avoid it.

I get the theory in principle, but I think I'm going to have to sit down and think about that one

That's one of the central tenets behind a flat rate of income tax.

As per the Russian example above,

[Jockman]

.....I'm still thinking it through