Owen Jones v the Princes; who has served the country most?
Discussion
BlackLabel said:
Owen Jones has a new book out.
But it turns out some of his research and 'facts' presented in the book have been exposed as being extremely inaccurate.
http://order-order.com/2014/10/16/owen-jones-admit...
http://www.jeremy-duns.com/blog/2014/10/18/owen-jo...
Am I missing something or was there just the one error (a typo according to OJ)?But it turns out some of his research and 'facts' presented in the book have been exposed as being extremely inaccurate.
http://order-order.com/2014/10/16/owen-jones-admit...
http://www.jeremy-duns.com/blog/2014/10/18/owen-jo...
Countdown said:
Am I missing something or was there just the one error (a typo according to OJ)?
Nope, that's it! 
Funny how, in a whole book, all the detractors could find was one factual error.
Owen Jones is an incredibly eloquent and well-researched social commentator. People like him are valuable, because without them we would be a nation of brainwashed morons. Thankfully, due to his presence a lot of people are waking up to the fact that something is deeply wrong with society at present.
Countdown said:
Am I missing something or was there just the one error (a typo according to OJ)?
You're missing something. Read the blog - it's very interesting. Or you could accept my summary: Owen Jones doesn't reference properly because he is either a) stupid or b) the referenced works don't suit his agenda, so he misrepresents them.
CamMoreRon said:
Countdown said:
Am I missing something or was there just the one error (a typo according to OJ)?
Nope, that's it! Funny how, in a whole book, all the detractors could find was one factual error.
Owen Jones is an incredibly eloquent and well-researched social commentator. People like him are valuable, because without them we would be a nation of brainwashed morons. Thankfully, due to his presence a lot of people are waking up to the fact that something is deeply wrong with society at present.
Its one of the things wrong with society at the present, that and the fact that people who lap up stuff like this are much inclined to adopt an "I'm intellectually superior to you stance "
gpo746 said:
Your quite correct. They keep sticking arse holes like Owen on Question Time and other such stuff giving them acres of coverage way in excess of their actual ability.
Its one of the things wrong with society at the present, that and the fact that people who lap up stuff like this are much inclined to adopt an "I'm intellectually superior to you stance "
I don't think that's true.. intellectual superiority (illusory or otherwise) can definitely be observed on both sides of the debate! Its one of the things wrong with society at the present, that and the fact that people who lap up stuff like this are much inclined to adopt an "I'm intellectually superior to you stance "
CamMoreRon said:
I don't think that's true.. intellectual superiority (illusory or otherwise) can definitely be observed on both sides of the debate!
Its good that you choose to accept I am right then Oh hang on................
And I'm thick I thought your user name meant you plan on dropping your kecks more on chat roulette.
gpo746 said:
Its good that you choose to accept I am right then
Oh hang on................
And I'm thick I thought your user name meant you plan on dropping your kecks more on chat roulette.
Hahaha explain? Does Ron mean pants where you live? Oh hang on................
And I'm thick I thought your user name meant you plan on dropping your kecks more on chat roulette.
You are right, but you're also wrong.
The illusion of superiority is something both sides have.. you only have to look at the "lefty / socialist / communist" remarks in some of the replies here, and people claiming OJ to be stupid.hornetrider said:
You're missing something.
Read the blog - it's very interesting. Or you could accept my summary: Owen Jones doesn't reference properly because he is either a) stupid or b) the referenced works don't suit his agenda, so he misrepresents them.
I've read the blog, and the other link and, in all honesty I'm thinking "is that it??"Read the blog - it's very interesting. Or you could accept my summary: Owen Jones doesn't reference properly because he is either a) stupid or b) the referenced works don't suit his agenda, so he misrepresents them.
There are some people (across the entire political spectrum) who are a bit bonkers, and it's fair to expose their idiocy to ridicule. But if this is the worst thing that OJ's ever done then I think we can put the flaming pitchforks and the bandwagon back in the PH garage
.Countdown said:
hornetrider said:
You're missing something.
Read the blog - it's very interesting. Or you could accept my summary: Owen Jones doesn't reference properly because he is either a) stupid or b) the referenced works don't suit his agenda, so he misrepresents them.
I've read the blog, and the other link and, in all honesty I'm thinking "is that it??"Read the blog - it's very interesting. Or you could accept my summary: Owen Jones doesn't reference properly because he is either a) stupid or b) the referenced works don't suit his agenda, so he misrepresents them.
I've read some Of OJs stuff, and of course I have seen him on QT a few times. He's always left me feeling slightly underwhelmed. To me, he comes over as a student union activist mixed with a not too small dose of swivel eyed conspiracy theorist.
Were I ever to meet him I would be minded to say " Yes yes Owen, we get it! You're outraged/offended/indignant/angry with the "establishment" and the current state of the nation etc etc etc. We get it that you want to nail the liars and the cheats and the hypocrites on behalf of the working man and his struggle for equality in a fundamentally unequal society...
But the thing is, before you climb too far into the saddle on that high horse of yours lets just remember that you are far from immune from using the odd fib to further your position, nor to allowing the odd (convenient?) piece of misinformation or blatant lie to stand if it happens to support your view. What price the truth if it's only the truth if it suits your view?
And lets not forget that when your lies and omissions are exposed you're not squeamish about blaming somebody else ( a fellow working man?) for the inaccurate things that you publish and your repeating of those inaccuracies in person, even after you have admitted that they are wrong.
So actually, beneath your bien pensant leftist, Guardian contributing, "outraged for the people" public persona which you so clearly feel renders you morally superior to anyone who disagrees with you, you're no better than those hypocrites that you attack and claim to despise."
And with that, I'd be off, leaving him with no more than there faint odour of my cologne and the flush of heat to his face. :flounce:
That Brand sees him as this generations George Orwell says more about Brand and his delusions of intelligence than it does about OJ though.
Were I ever to meet him I would be minded to say " Yes yes Owen, we get it! You're outraged/offended/indignant/angry with the "establishment" and the current state of the nation etc etc etc. We get it that you want to nail the liars and the cheats and the hypocrites on behalf of the working man and his struggle for equality in a fundamentally unequal society...
But the thing is, before you climb too far into the saddle on that high horse of yours lets just remember that you are far from immune from using the odd fib to further your position, nor to allowing the odd (convenient?) piece of misinformation or blatant lie to stand if it happens to support your view. What price the truth if it's only the truth if it suits your view?
And lets not forget that when your lies and omissions are exposed you're not squeamish about blaming somebody else ( a fellow working man?) for the inaccurate things that you publish and your repeating of those inaccuracies in person, even after you have admitted that they are wrong.
So actually, beneath your bien pensant leftist, Guardian contributing, "outraged for the people" public persona which you so clearly feel renders you morally superior to anyone who disagrees with you, you're no better than those hypocrites that you attack and claim to despise."
And with that, I'd be off, leaving him with no more than there faint odour of my cologne and the flush of heat to his face. :flounce:
That Brand sees him as this generations George Orwell says more about Brand and his delusions of intelligence than it does about OJ though.
andymadmak said:
I've read some Of OJs stuff, and of course I have seen him on QT a few times. He's always left me feeling slightly underwhelmed. To me, he comes over as a student union activist mixed with a not too small dose of swivel eyed conspiracy theorist.
Were I ever to meet him I would be minded to say " Yes yes Owen, we get it! You're outraged/offended/indignant/angry with the "establishment" and the current state of the nation etc etc etc. We get it that you want to nail the liars and the cheats and the hypocrites on behalf of the working man and his struggle for equality in a fundamentally unequal society...
But the thing is, before you climb too far into the saddle on that high horse of yours lets just remember that you are far from immune from using the odd fib to further your position, nor to allowing the odd (convenient?) piece of misinformation or blatant lie to stand if it happens to support your view. What price the truth if it's only the truth if it suits your view?
And lets not forget that when your lies and omissions are exposed you're not squeamish about blaming somebody else ( a fellow working man?) for the inaccurate things that you publish and your repeating of those inaccuracies in person, even after you have admitted that they are wrong.
So actually, beneath your bien pensant leftist, Guardian contributing, "outraged for the people" public persona which you so clearly feel renders you morally superior to anyone who disagrees with you, you're no better than those hypocrites that you attack and claim to despise."
And with that, I'd be off, leaving him with no more than there faint odour of my cologne and the flush of heat to his face. :flounce:
That Brand sees him as this generations George Orwell says more about Brand and his delusions of intelligence than it does about OJ though.
I would have thought Owen would have wanted Brand hung drawn an d quartered as he (Brand) advocates non voting. Surely such a position is at odds with Owens "every man must have a voice " philosophy ?Were I ever to meet him I would be minded to say " Yes yes Owen, we get it! You're outraged/offended/indignant/angry with the "establishment" and the current state of the nation etc etc etc. We get it that you want to nail the liars and the cheats and the hypocrites on behalf of the working man and his struggle for equality in a fundamentally unequal society...
But the thing is, before you climb too far into the saddle on that high horse of yours lets just remember that you are far from immune from using the odd fib to further your position, nor to allowing the odd (convenient?) piece of misinformation or blatant lie to stand if it happens to support your view. What price the truth if it's only the truth if it suits your view?
And lets not forget that when your lies and omissions are exposed you're not squeamish about blaming somebody else ( a fellow working man?) for the inaccurate things that you publish and your repeating of those inaccuracies in person, even after you have admitted that they are wrong.
So actually, beneath your bien pensant leftist, Guardian contributing, "outraged for the people" public persona which you so clearly feel renders you morally superior to anyone who disagrees with you, you're no better than those hypocrites that you attack and claim to despise."
And with that, I'd be off, leaving him with no more than there faint odour of my cologne and the flush of heat to his face. :flounce:
That Brand sees him as this generations George Orwell says more about Brand and his delusions of intelligence than it does about OJ though.
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