Anjem Choudary

[968]

techiedave said:

Some of our fellow contributors are noticeably absent recently.
You know the ones that probably just lurve Anjem
Have they been killed in air strikes whilst inadvertently "holidaying" in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq etc ?
Just a thought

This is perhaps the most stupid quote I've ever read on PH, and that is against some competition. Not a single person here would support the likes of Choudhury and would be happy to see him successfully prosecuted and spend his life in jail. Perhaps you'd like to be brave enough to name who you think are terrorist sympathisers here?

[968]

968 said:

techiedave said:

Some of our fellow contributors are noticeably absent recently.
You know the ones that probably just lurve Anjem
Have they been killed in air strikes whilst inadvertently "holidaying" in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq etc ?
Just a thought

This is perhaps the most stupid quote I've ever read on PH, and that is against some competition. Not a single person here would support the likes of Choudhury and everyone would be happy to see him successfully prosecuted and spend his life in jail. Perhaps you'd like to be brave enough to name who you think are terrorist sympathisers here?

[anonymous-user]

A good read:-

http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199601790.d...

OUP said:

Extreme Speech and Democracy

Examines highly topical issues raised by extreme speech in liberal democracies such as incitement to terrorism, homophobic speech, Holocaust denial, veiling controversies, and the Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad
Confronts difficult philosophical and political questions faced by democracies in their commitment to equality and fight against hate speech
Includes interdisciplinary approaches from law, philosophy, history, psychology, and literature
Provides comparative perspectives from several countries including the US, UK, Canada, France, Germany, and Hungary

A commitment to free speech is a fundamental precept of all liberal democracies. However, democracies can differ significantly when addressing the constitutionality of laws regulating certain kinds of speech. In the United States, for instance, the commitment to free speech under the First Amendment has been held by the Supreme Court to protect the public expression of the most noxious racist ideology and hence to render unconstitutional even narrow restrictions on hate speech. In contrast, governments have been accorded considerable leeway to restrict racist and other extreme expression in almost every other democracy, including Canada, the United Kingdom, and other European countries. This book considers the legal responses of various liberal democracies towards hate speech and other forms of extreme expression, and examines the following questions:

What accounts for the marked differences in attitude towards the constitutionality of hate speech regulation?
Does hate speech regulation violate the core free speech principle constitutive of democracy?
Has the traditional US position on extreme expression justifiably not found favour elsewhere?
Do values such as the commitment to equality or dignity legitimately override the right to free speech in some circumstances?

With contributions from experts in a range of disciplines, this book offers an in-depth examination of the tensions that arise between democracy's promises.

Recommended for anyone interested in these issues.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 8th August 09:20

[anonymous-user]

968 said:

This is perhaps the most stupid quote I've ever read on PH, and that is against some competition. Not a single person here would support the likes of Choudhury and would be happy to see him successfully prosecuted and spend his life in jail. Perhaps you'd like to be brave enough to name who you think are terrorist sympathisers here?

You seem a really nice chap.
just very naïve.
look at some of the threads, the appos can be easily spotted.

[968]

techiedave said:

You seem a really nice chap.
just very naïve.
look at some of the threads, the appos can be easily spotted.

Name names. Put your conviction where your mouth is.

[AdeTuono]

[anonymous-user]

I think that Choudary is appalling, and his opinions are vile, but what epithet is appropriate for someone who wishes anal rape on a person for saying disagreeable things? Being so upset by hate speech that you resort to some hate speech of your own seems a bit daft to me.

[jjlynn27]

968 said:

techiedave said:

You seem a really nice chap.
just very naïve.
look at some of the threads, the appos can be easily spotted.

Name names. Put your conviction where your mouth is.

He'll never do that. But he'll use 'appos' and 'lurve' because in that braincell of his that'll make him clever. Quite sad really.

[NailedOn]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/08/t...
Good reading here on how the Guardian and fellow travellers of the left embrace islamism.

[anonymous-user]

As a leftie and opponent of Islamism, I found that article very interesting. Thanks for the link. Most of the lefties whom I know oppose Islamism, PC, and all that, but there is much force in what Nawaz says.

[Mr_B]

This video encapsulates the moronic views of people who paint themselves as 'community leader' types Nawaz has to contend with, ironically from within his own LibDem party. The moron in the video is another who the Guardian went to to counter what Maajid contributed to Cameron's speech. The Guardian really does looks stupid when it gives voice to some of the most clearly illiberal people around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkFzbGwqT4w

[Oakey]

Sooooooo, The Guardian is the left wing version of the Daily Mail now?

[MrBrightSi]

Breadvan72 said:

As a leftie and opponent of Islamism, I found that article very interesting. Thanks for the link. Most of the lefties whom I know oppose Islamism, PC, and all that, but there is much force in what Nawaz says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOyV-WS4u4c

Most of us see a lot of the major groups acting like the host here. When the questions go difficult and we reach very hard to make decisions of what we should do about such ideals, we just skip ahead.

Dr Mohamed Mukudam, scary to see how involved he was in teaching children here.

[Digga]

RedTrident said:

Is ISIS opposed to the whole of Western democracy?

I'm now a bit worried whether I'll get in trouble for asking such a question.

Are you serious? Stop wasting forum space/time with daft questions.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Caliphate

RedTrident said:

I'm now a bit worried whether I'll get in trouble for asking such a question.

So you should be.

[Smiler.]

Mr_B said:

This video encapsulates the moronic views of people who paint themselves as 'community leader' types Nawaz has to contend with, ironically from within his own LibDem party. The moron in the video is another who the Guardian went to to counter what Maajid contributed to Cameron's speech. The Guardian really does looks stupid when it gives voice to some of the most clearly illiberal people around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkFzbGwqT4w

Mohammed Shafiq claims to speak for all Muslims, what do the PH fraternity think of him & his stance?

[anonymous-user]

He can claim all he likes; he doesn't speak for all Muslims. Muslims are not a monolithic group, despite the Mail-stoked fears of the PH massive. I add that I despise all religions with more or less equal intensity, and think that all followers of religion are deluded, but I don't regard all Muslims as enemies of freedom or supporters of theocracy and terror.

[Zod]

Breadvan72 said:

I think that Choudary is appalling, and his opinions are vile, but what epithet is appropriate for someone who wishes anal rape on a person for saying disagreeable things? Being so upset by hate speech that you resort to some hate speech of your own seems a bit daft to me.

Some people here seem constantly to fantasise about anal sex in prison.

I used to fantasise about what might go on in women's prisons until I saw Orange is the New Black. That cured me!

[Trevatanus]

Trial starts Jan 11th according to Wikipedia.

[allnighter]

968 said:

techiedave said:

You seem a really nice chap.
just very naïve.
look at some of the threads, the appos can be easily spotted.

Name names. Put your conviction where your mouth is.

968, you have been here longer than me perhaps. You know, I know , and most PH veterans know that there are no extremists' sympathizers here. Why on earth are you wasting your time with this novice dim-wit?

[Hosenbugler]

allnighter said:

968, you have been here longer than me perhaps. You know, I know , and most PH veterans know that there are no extremists' sympathizers here. Why on earth are you wasting your time with this novice dim-wit?

Whilst I have not been registered for long, I have read these pages for some while and have to disagree, whilst I'm unsure as to handles (one is in mind but not 100%) I have definitely read posts which are without doubt extremist sympathetic.

Something is telling me it was around the time Jihadi John was unmasked and may have been in a thread concerning Cage.

These odious people. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31657333

As to whether the profiles of those who posted what I read have been removed , I have no idea. Its some while so not entirely clear.

Edited by Hosenbugler on Wednesday 9th December 16:12