Anjem Choudary
Discussion
It's going to be interesting to see what the Government does, given the rather inconvenient truth of what he says when he talks about holy war and fighting comes directly from the Koran. He knows full well that if he sticks to 'what is written' no one is going to touch him.
On a side note, he describes himself a sharia judge at one of the many civil sharia courts that have quitely been allowed to flourish in this country. Kinda tells me all I need to know about such places.
Andy Chaudary may well be hated by a lot of Muslims for shouting about the Islamic state a fair number of those would like to see in the UK and the way he goes about it, but if the Government started taking a hard line against him and not the apologist one it has regarding everything Islam, his support is only going to grow.
On a side note, he describes himself a sharia judge at one of the many civil sharia courts that have quitely been allowed to flourish in this country. Kinda tells me all I need to know about such places.
Andy Chaudary may well be hated by a lot of Muslims for shouting about the Islamic state a fair number of those would like to see in the UK and the way he goes about it, but if the Government started taking a hard line against him and not the apologist one it has regarding everything Islam, his support is only going to grow.
Edited by Mr_B on Tuesday 4th June 14:01
Pappa Lurve said:
DJRC said:
Can we not just push him out the back of a Herc above the Channel? Its still British waters, so we havent deported him anywhere 
How hard would it be to put some sharks with frikkin lasers on their heads in the Channel for a day?!Genuine question here - I agree he is basically unemployable by normal standars although one assumes he may be able to find a role somewhere but let us assume he really can;t due to his public image. As I understand it, if one is on benefits and does not make suitable effort to find a job (obviously excluding people who are unable to work for genuine reasons), then benefits can be stopped. If that is the case, I wonder why his have not as one assumes he would struggle to show he has made and continues to make a suitable effort to locate employment.
While I actually think the UK should be proud that we are liberal enough to let this chap expose his loathsome views, it does make me sad that people seem to think he speaks for the majority of Muslims. Based only on my personal experiances and friendships with Muslims, I have come the the opinion that most, if not the vast majority, find him to be as utterly contemptable as I do.
Vile little man and I rather wish the press would leave him off the front pages as publicity is the oxygen this hate-filled self publicist needs.
funny how only people who are in the dock / spotlight for being naughty have their human rights infringed and no-one ever considers the rest of us and how we feel.
I'm confused too.
Both the Tories and the Lib Dems were against the Snooper's Charter before the election and it was a Labour policy.
Weren't the Tories for sorting out lobbyists before the election too? But there was no mention of Gay Marriage in any manifesto.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exclusi...
Trying to use the murder on the streets of Woolwich to foist the Snooper's Charter on us seems like some of the bad science, misuse of statistics and emotional blackmail that seems the default modus operandi of the SCPs.
The authorities knew about Choudray and both of the killers in court for killing Drummer Rigby. They need anymore information or the authorisation to snoop on anyone because they feel like it?
Both the Tories and the Lib Dems were against the Snooper's Charter before the election and it was a Labour policy.
Weren't the Tories for sorting out lobbyists before the election too? But there was no mention of Gay Marriage in any manifesto.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exclusi...
Trying to use the murder on the streets of Woolwich to foist the Snooper's Charter on us seems like some of the bad science, misuse of statistics and emotional blackmail that seems the default modus operandi of the SCPs.
The authorities knew about Choudray and both of the killers in court for killing Drummer Rigby. They need anymore information or the authorisation to snoop on anyone because they feel like it?
Mr_B said:
IAndy Chaudary may well be hated by a lot of Muslims for shouting about the Islamic state a fair number of those would like to see in the UK and the way he goes about it, but if the Government started taking a hard line against him and not the apologist one it has regarding everything Islam, his support is only going to grow.
Has his support grown in the past few years? One of the woolwich attackers was seen with anjem in a video in 2007 - It seems like the same bunch who are small in number but make a lot of noise.
what gets to me about this piece of hate filled filth is what he is currently spouting about Drummer Rigby burning in hell and how the murderous turds who did it were "nice people" now if that is not twisted and an affront to any religeon or sane thinking person then i dont know what is. i would challenge him to spout that to Drummer Rigbys friends family and comrades to their faces.... then we would see his balls shrink. I do think however the previous views of not giving his hate and diatribe air time newspaper time etc is a good start.
s1962a said:
Mr_B said:
IAndy Chaudary may well be hated by a lot of Muslims for shouting about the Islamic state a fair number of those would like to see in the UK and the way he goes about it, but if the Government started taking a hard line against him and not the apologist one it has regarding everything Islam, his support is only going to grow.
Has his support grown in the past few years? One of the woolwich attackers was seen with anjem in a video in 2007 - It seems like the same bunch who are small in number but make a lot of noise.I didn't say his support had grown, I sugested it would if the Government had the backbone to say something of what the problem is and how Islam is deeply involved, it probably would. But what did we get after Lee Rigby's murder ? Nick Clegg cherry picked a nice part of the Koran and said 'look, isn't it all peace love and harmony'.
Calling him out of him picking out the rather hate filed parts of the Koran and going on TV to use them, isn't going to happen with a spineless Government, largely because of whats gone before. Have you wiped from your memory the reaction to deadly things such as book, cartoons and crap films ?
This and past Governments would rather insult the lazy general public than upset a group who at best resort to just pretending they are victims at every turn, and who at worse bomb book stores , behead people and just generally make the world a less attractive place.
I'd bet that Lee Rigby earnt less than Andy Choudary gets in benefits. Doesn't mean a thing to this Government.
carinaman said:
The authorities knew about Choudray and both of the killers in court for killing Drummer Rigby. They need anymore information or the authorisation to snoop on anyone because they feel like it?
Exactly, I read an interesting essay about this kind of thing and how basically the secret services in the US actually have too much information and the amount of so called white noise makes it very difficult to actually action the genuine threats. They might have had info on these guys but how many people do they have files on who are totally innocent?So I suspect that Choudray is quite a convenient pawn in getting more overbearing legislation through courts. The best thing to do would be to monitor but ultimately ignore him, if he was standing down at Speakers Corner you wouldn't look twice at him but when he gets a prime time spot on Newsnight he becomes relevant.
The snoopers charter may get in on the back of current events but as we see with previous legislation that gets through on emotive subjects it doesn't take long before mission creep sets in. It must be resisted for all our benefit.
MX7 said:
bigbubba said:
He could go back to practicing law?
You'd want him to represent you?!!I think he's made himself deliberately unemployable. A bit like those guys with face tattoos.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. Depending on where and how you use this bible sentence you could be accused of being a radical christian. Our chap here does this with the Koran. Its not illegal, its just him being a dick.
One way of steering it away from being a convenient excuse to foist the Snooper's Charter on us it to make it about people like Drummer Rigby and his family paying taxes that keep people like Choudray on benefits.
Just compare Choudray to Mick Philpott but I'm not completely sure about taking that angle as I am not sure that Philpott should have been out to claim benefits given what he did to that previous girlfriend and her mother.
Just compare Choudray to Mick Philpott but I'm not completely sure about taking that angle as I am not sure that Philpott should have been out to claim benefits given what he did to that previous girlfriend and her mother.
I think it's a good thing that people like him are allowed to 'protest' and make these comments publicly. In theory, if they did their job right, it makes life easier for the security services. At least they can identify all the nutters who turn up to his meetings and protests and either keep tabs on them individually or try and 'turn' a few of them.
Drive them underground and things become a lot more difficult.
As for his actual statement made in the OP, well isn't this what all abrahamic religions preach - that 'non believers' are destined for hell. Those offended by this should take it up with the Bible/Koran/Torah etc.
Drive them underground and things become a lot more difficult.
As for his actual statement made in the OP, well isn't this what all abrahamic religions preach - that 'non believers' are destined for hell. Those offended by this should take it up with the Bible/Koran/Torah etc.
Edited by Victor McDade on Tuesday 4th June 16:39
Hmmmm Think he gets far too much media coverage pisses me off when he pops up on BBC Newsnight/ Channel 4 and the like spouting his s
t off. I Mentioned this in another thread, mind you all the peaceful lovely cuddly fuzzies that come on and disown him are like deafening so maybe he represents a bigger portion of the "community of love" than some people may wish to admit to
t off. I Mentioned this in another thread, mind you all the peaceful lovely cuddly fuzzies that come on and disown him are like deafening so maybe he represents a bigger portion of the "community of love" than some people may wish to admit toall i want is a single round in a boxing ring bare knuckle with him... just to plant a good one on that beak would satisfy the st out of me. I'm not one for religion in any of its guises but i do hope karma at some point comes knocking preferably wearing a c4 vest. hopefully his 72 virgins will be spotty 40 year old male computer nerds.
t out of me. I'm not one for religion in any of its guises but i do hope karma at some point comes knocking preferably wearing a c4 vest. hopefully his 72 virgins will be spotty 40 year old male computer nerds.Happy82 said:
How come there are no anti fascist protests regarding this chap? I am sure that if a whitey was spouting similar hatred they would be harassing him or her.
Ah, you see this where the hatred of the leftie comes a touch unstuck. You see, they believe in freedom of speech for those views which they agree with.If this was a right wing person they would be there and screaming/protesting/demanding his arrest and death......
Me, I am afraid I think he should be allowed to say such things, horrid as they are. Because I want the right to say what I like as well.
I was listening to a counter-terrorist chappie on the radio the other day who reckoned that Choudry is actually quite a useful tool for MI5 and the police. He reckoned that Choudry is what he called a Queen Bee and that the security services learn quite a bit by monitoring who he's in contact with and who turns up to his events.
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