Anjem Choudary
Discussion
jakesmith said:
I can’t understand the short sentencing and automatic release of these sorts of criminals.
No room at the Inn?Some pencil pusher will tuck a box ‘no, not violent’, no threat. Out he goes. To be fair I don’t think he will be up to much. If he’s smart he’ll pick his company carefully and keep his head down. No more vocal idiot in my opinion
Burwood said:
jakesmith said:
I can’t understand the short sentencing and automatic release of these sorts of criminals.
No room at the Inn?Some pencil pusher will tuck a box ‘no, not violent’, no threat. Out he goes. To be fair I don’t think he will be up to much. If he’s smart he’ll pick his company carefully and keep his head down. No more vocal idiot in my opinion
There are exception for a few specific offences, but the ones he was convicted of aren't amongst them.
So no choice but to allow him out on license.
The question needs to be asked of the government why any terror related offences qualify for early release.
I’m aware of the good behaviour 50% credit provided the points I raised are met. If you’re a perceived threat you stay out. 
And they have such rules to make room in an over crowded system. It’s not because they want to cut the scummers a break
And they have such rules to make room in an over crowded system. It’s not because they want to cut the scummers a break
Edited by Burwood on Wednesday 17th October 08:16
king hell , i can see why 
Our justice system needs a massive overhaul (and cash) imho. In essence I would like to see:
1. No short-term sentences (eg under a year). If the crime isn't significant enough to warrant a year behind bars then it's not significant enough to destroy someone's life for (losing their job, home, relationships etc). We shouldn't lock people up for petty theft, not paying their TV licence or other minor offences.
2. Deal with smaller offences using proper community service. There is plenty of work not being done by local authorities because of a lack of funds. Problem and solution right there.
3. Prisons should be there to protect the public from criminals. If it is felt that a crim is still a threat he stays inside. He certainly doesn't get released early.
4. Prisons should be there to rehabilitate and educate those that need it. Maths/English tuition, vocational training etc. If the crim actively refuses such help they don't get released early
5. Prisons should be there to deter others from committing crime. Releasing crims early when they show no sign of remorse, no willingness to learn does nothing to deter others.
6. If an offender is released, reoffends and appears back at HMP, something has gone wrong. Address that something to stop the cycle.
7. Stop drugs and phones getting into prisons. It's not impossible, but it's not easy. I get that high prisoners are easier to control but that isn't a solution. A drug addicted ex-con is little use to society on release so we shouldn't have drug-addicted offenders being released.
Easy to say for me sitting at my desk but it must be possible to reform the prison system. We cannot simply accept it's too difficult and leave things the way they are.
As for Mr Choudary, I would like to have seen him tried for treason and made to serve his whole sentence as he didn't show any remorse or hint of reform. I'd also have no issue with making someone stateless that is found guilty of treason, removing his british passport. If another country wishes to accept him, off he goes. If not he can remain in the UK (after serving his sentence) but is no longer considered british, allowed to travel abroad etc.3 strikes for treason would definitely result in a whole-of-life tariff.
1. No short-term sentences (eg under a year). If the crime isn't significant enough to warrant a year behind bars then it's not significant enough to destroy someone's life for (losing their job, home, relationships etc). We shouldn't lock people up for petty theft, not paying their TV licence or other minor offences.
2. Deal with smaller offences using proper community service. There is plenty of work not being done by local authorities because of a lack of funds. Problem and solution right there.
3. Prisons should be there to protect the public from criminals. If it is felt that a crim is still a threat he stays inside. He certainly doesn't get released early.
4. Prisons should be there to rehabilitate and educate those that need it. Maths/English tuition, vocational training etc. If the crim actively refuses such help they don't get released early
5. Prisons should be there to deter others from committing crime. Releasing crims early when they show no sign of remorse, no willingness to learn does nothing to deter others.
6. If an offender is released, reoffends and appears back at HMP, something has gone wrong. Address that something to stop the cycle.
7. Stop drugs and phones getting into prisons. It's not impossible, but it's not easy. I get that high prisoners are easier to control but that isn't a solution. A drug addicted ex-con is little use to society on release so we shouldn't have drug-addicted offenders being released.
Easy to say for me sitting at my desk but it must be possible to reform the prison system. We cannot simply accept it's too difficult and leave things the way they are.
As for Mr Choudary, I would like to have seen him tried for treason and made to serve his whole sentence as he didn't show any remorse or hint of reform. I'd also have no issue with making someone stateless that is found guilty of treason, removing his british passport. If another country wishes to accept him, off he goes. If not he can remain in the UK (after serving his sentence) but is no longer considered british, allowed to travel abroad etc.3 strikes for treason would definitely result in a whole-of-life tariff.
Burwood said:
I don't think his view on this matter are at odds with the general consensus. He is saying Choudhary is a special kind of vermon. I agree with the sentiment.
Did you gloss over the bit where he called for suicide bombs in Tower Hamlets?This is Rod Liddle who beat up up his pregnant girlfriend, aka a special kind of vermon[sic]
wiggy001 said:
Our justice system needs a massive overhaul (and cash) imho. In essence I would like to see:
1. No short-term sentences (eg under a year). If the crime isn't significant enough to warrant a year behind bars then it's not significant enough to destroy someone's life for (losing their job, home, relationships etc). We shouldn't lock people up for petty theft, not paying their TV licence or other minor offences.
2. Deal with smaller offences using proper community service. There is plenty of work not being done by local authorities because of a lack of funds. Problem and solution right there.
3. Prisons should be there to protect the public from criminals. If it is felt that a crim is still a threat he stays inside. He certainly doesn't get released early.
4. Prisons should be there to rehabilitate and educate those that need it. Maths/English tuition, vocational training etc. If the crim actively refuses such help they don't get released early
5. Prisons should be there to deter others from committing crime. Releasing crims early when they show no sign of remorse, no willingness to learn does nothing to deter others.
6. If an offender is released, reoffends and appears back at HMP, something has gone wrong. Address that something to stop the cycle.
7. Stop drugs and phones getting into prisons. It's not impossible, but it's not easy. I get that high prisoners are easier to control but that isn't a solution. A drug addicted ex-con is little use to society on release so we shouldn't have drug-addicted offenders being released.
Easy to say for me sitting at my desk but it must be possible to reform the prison system. We cannot simply accept it's too difficult and leave things the way they are.
As for Mr Choudary, I would like to have seen him tried for treason and made to serve his whole sentence as he didn't show any remorse or hint of reform. I'd also have no issue with making someone stateless that is found guilty of treason, removing his british passport. If another country wishes to accept him, off he goes. If not he can remain in the UK (after serving his sentence) but is no longer considered british, allowed to travel abroad etc.3 strikes for treason would definitely result in a whole-of-life tariff.
completely agree. case in point. Not the UK. Gang member(NZ) released from prison a month ago. Goes out on the beer. Intentionally starts a fight with a group of men. He pulls knife, slashes one on face and stabs another. He then pulls a loaded gun. Police chase him down. Judge gave him 4 years. He has 100+ prior convictions for serious assault, drugs, theft. It's a joke. Throw the key away.1. No short-term sentences (eg under a year). If the crime isn't significant enough to warrant a year behind bars then it's not significant enough to destroy someone's life for (losing their job, home, relationships etc). We shouldn't lock people up for petty theft, not paying their TV licence or other minor offences.
2. Deal with smaller offences using proper community service. There is plenty of work not being done by local authorities because of a lack of funds. Problem and solution right there.
3. Prisons should be there to protect the public from criminals. If it is felt that a crim is still a threat he stays inside. He certainly doesn't get released early.
4. Prisons should be there to rehabilitate and educate those that need it. Maths/English tuition, vocational training etc. If the crim actively refuses such help they don't get released early
5. Prisons should be there to deter others from committing crime. Releasing crims early when they show no sign of remorse, no willingness to learn does nothing to deter others.
6. If an offender is released, reoffends and appears back at HMP, something has gone wrong. Address that something to stop the cycle.
7. Stop drugs and phones getting into prisons. It's not impossible, but it's not easy. I get that high prisoners are easier to control but that isn't a solution. A drug addicted ex-con is little use to society on release so we shouldn't have drug-addicted offenders being released.
Easy to say for me sitting at my desk but it must be possible to reform the prison system. We cannot simply accept it's too difficult and leave things the way they are.
As for Mr Choudary, I would like to have seen him tried for treason and made to serve his whole sentence as he didn't show any remorse or hint of reform. I'd also have no issue with making someone stateless that is found guilty of treason, removing his british passport. If another country wishes to accept him, off he goes. If not he can remain in the UK (after serving his sentence) but is no longer considered british, allowed to travel abroad etc.3 strikes for treason would definitely result in a whole-of-life tariff.
Dindoit said:
Burwood said:
I don't think his view on this matter are at odds with the general consensus. He is saying Choudhary is a special kind of vermon. I agree with the sentiment.
Did you gloss over the bit where he called for suicide bombs in Tower Hamlets?This is Rod Liddle who beat up up his pregnant girlfriend, aka a special kind of vermon[sic]
Meanwhile news of one of Choudary's followers.
"Jihadi Sid 'dead': Drone strike 'kills' Anjem Choudry's former right-hand man who went from selling bouncy castles in Walthamstow to being one of the most brutal ISIS executioners in Syria"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6296723/D...
"Jihadi Sid 'dead': Drone strike 'kills' Anjem Choudry's former right-hand man who went from selling bouncy castles in Walthamstow to being one of the most brutal ISIS executioners in Syria"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6296723/D...
Playing devils advocate here... but a man who is staunchly behind his 'tribe' and fighting to progress his ideology and protect those who side with him and being distrusting of 'others' and using examples of the 'others' doing bad things to his people....
Sounds like a rational that usually gets applauded around here, so long as it's Katie Hopkins or Tommy....
Sounds like a rational that usually gets applauded around here, so long as it's Katie Hopkins or Tommy....
Dindoit said:
Burwood said:
I don't think his view on this matter are at odds with the general consensus. He is saying Choudhary is a special kind of vermon. I agree with the sentiment.
Did you gloss over the bit where he called for suicide bombs in Tower Hamlets?This is Rod Liddle who beat up up his pregnant girlfriend, aka a special kind of vermon[sic]
This will definitely work.....
The convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary is among extremists and Islamic State fighters to undergo Britain’s first compulsory deradicalisation programme, The Times has learnt.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anjem-choudary-...
The convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary is among extremists and Islamic State fighters to undergo Britain’s first compulsory deradicalisation programme, The Times has learnt.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anjem-choudary-...
TaylotS2K said:
This will definitely work.....
The convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary is among extremists and Islamic State fighters to undergo Britain’s first compulsory deradicalisation programme, The Times has learnt.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anjem-choudary-...
Depends how, precisely, they plan to de-radicalise them.The convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary is among extremists and Islamic State fighters to undergo Britain’s first compulsory deradicalisation programme, The Times has learnt.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anjem-choudary-...
Fire would definitely do the trick. There's going to be a lot of them around next week too.
Digga said:
TaylotS2K said:
This will definitely work.....
The convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary is among extremists and Islamic State fighters to undergo Britain’s first compulsory deradicalisation programme, The Times has learnt.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anjem-choudary-...
Depends how, precisely, they plan to de-radicalise them.The convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary is among extremists and Islamic State fighters to undergo Britain’s first compulsory deradicalisation programme, The Times has learnt.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anjem-choudary-...
Fire would definitely do the trick. There's going to be a lot of them around next week too.
Edited by Burwood on Tuesday 30th October 10:56
Burwood said:
I'd be interested to hear what these 'experts' running the course, charge for the programme. Will their be a written exam, perhaps a multi choice option depicting various scenarios.
Will there be tea&biscuits on a doily too?Maybe introducing a BLT halfway through. Just in the same room to start with then the expert actually eating it? Too far?
TaylotS2K said:
This will definitely work.....
The convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary is among extremists and Islamic State fighters to undergo Britain’s first compulsory deradicalisation programme, The Times has learnt.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anjem-choudary-...
Wouldn’t the old ducking stool for witches be a better idea.... to test if he is radicalised or not? The convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary is among extremists and Islamic State fighters to undergo Britain’s first compulsory deradicalisation programme, The Times has learnt.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anjem-choudary-...
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