Reading your email..
Discussion
GavinPearson said:
The reality is that the vast majority have absolutely nothing to fear. Let's face it, most people are receiving spam, Facebook updates where somebody you barely know posts something inconsequential and nobody gives a rats, an e-mail from e-bay or Amazon about something you don't want, the odd family e-mail and generally absolutely nothing of interest.
Are they going to be targeted? Highly unlikely.
But the person who visits all sort of dodgy people in dodgy countries may. That's probably doing everybody a favour. If it catches criminals then that's great. If it deters people from crime, great.
Britain is watched everywhere by CCTV but as everybody knows it's no big deal. This is no different.
So we have no reasonable right to privacy? Are they going to be targeted? Highly unlikely.
But the person who visits all sort of dodgy people in dodgy countries may. That's probably doing everybody a favour. If it catches criminals then that's great. If it deters people from crime, great.
Britain is watched everywhere by CCTV but as everybody knows it's no big deal. This is no different.
How to you know what this access is being used for, or will be used for in the future? (Rhetorical question, you don't)
in the mid nighties i was one of a group of people that was arrested for conspiracy to defraud . we were simply a group of people that cslled each other a lot simply to discuss deals . some people in that group , unknown to me were up to no good , simply calling each othe was enough to be arrested
I notice Hague using the 'nothing to hide=nothing to fear' defence. the mantra of niave halfwits and government aganecies and their enforcers the world over. What a contemptable a
hole.
"The net effect is that if you are a law abiding citizen of this country going about your business and personal life you have nothing to fear about the British state or intelligence agencies listening to the content of your phone calls or anything like that.
from - http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/nothing-to-fear-from-gch...
hole."The net effect is that if you are a law abiding citizen of this country going about your business and personal life you have nothing to fear about the British state or intelligence agencies listening to the content of your phone calls or anything like that.
from - http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/nothing-to-fear-from-gch...
buggalugs said:
GavinPearson said:
The reality is that the vast majority have absolutely nothing to fear. Let's face it, most people are receiving spam, Facebook updates where somebody you barely know posts something inconsequential and nobody gives a rats, an e-mail from e-bay or Amazon about something you don't want, the odd family e-mail and generally absolutely nothing of interest.
Are they going to be targeted? Highly unlikely.
But the person who visits all sort of dodgy people in dodgy countries may. That's probably doing everybody a favour. If it catches criminals then that's great. If it deters people from crime, great.
Britain is watched everywhere by CCTV but as everybody knows it's no big deal. This is no different.
So we have no reasonable right to privacy? Are they going to be targeted? Highly unlikely.
But the person who visits all sort of dodgy people in dodgy countries may. That's probably doing everybody a favour. If it catches criminals then that's great. If it deters people from crime, great.
Britain is watched everywhere by CCTV but as everybody knows it's no big deal. This is no different.
How to you know what this access is being used for, or will be used for in the future? (Rhetorical question, you don't)
Your ISP knows exactly which websites you visit, your phone company knows who you talk to. If you phone abroad, GCHQ can listen in. If you work for somebody then anything you do at work on their equipment or network isn't private. If you post on Facebook many of the companies promoting product get access to all of your data.
If you meet somebody in a restaurant then anybody can listen in. But that for most people is going to encompass the largely inconsequential, perhaps maybe a bit of business.
For most people it makes no difference, they pose no risk to anybody anyway.
And the simple fact is that whether you like it or not, it is going to be done anyway.
I seem to remember once being called a tinfoil hatter for saying that email is not private.
The only silver lining is the thought that most of these snoops will spend years of their career trawling through the complete drivel people send to each other, when someone mentions "da bomb" or their new Porsche 911, and never finding anything vaguely interesting.
The only silver lining is the thought that most of these snoops will spend years of their career trawling through the complete drivel people send to each other, when someone mentions "da bomb" or their new Porsche 911, and never finding anything vaguely interesting.
jas xjr said:
in the mid nighties i was one of a group of people that was arrested for conspiracy to defraud . we were simply a group of people that cslled each other a lot simply to discuss deals . some people in that group , unknown to me were up to no good , simply calling each othe was enough to be arrested
Echelon; listening to your telephone conversations since nineteeneleventytwelve. 
buggalugs said:
GavinPearson said:
And the simple fact is that whether you like it or not, it is going to be done anyway.
Not according to the laws of the various countries concerned it's not.Edited by Countdown on Monday 10th June 07:50
It might be very well gathering all this wealth of information but won't that just catch the simpletons. Surely any terrorist will know not to compose an email outlining his plan and send it to his mates or on a jihadist facebook page? Anyone must be aware that their phone and computer communications could be monitored.
I expect the problem is security services actually have too much information to be able to do anything with. After all the two guys arrested recently were known to security services and apparently warned about from the Kenyans and they still missed them.
I expect the problem is security services actually have too much information to be able to do anything with. After all the two guys arrested recently were known to security services and apparently warned about from the Kenyans and they still missed them.
Yes we suspected that they did it anyway. The chap has come forward (who released the confidential NSA docs) and the vid is very good. He's no Alex Jones.
http://www.guardian.co.uk
Edward Snowden. The man with guts.
http://www.guardian.co.uk
Edward Snowden. The man with guts.
Edited by Tonsko on Monday 10th June 08:23
neilr said:
I notice Hague using the 'nothing to hide=nothing to fear' defence. the mantra of niave halfwits and government aganecies and their enforcers the world over. What a contemptable ahole.
"The net effect is that if you are a law abiding citizen of this country going about your business and personal life you have nothing to fear about the British state or intelligence agencies listening to the content of your phone calls or anything like that.
from - http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/nothing-to-fear-from-gch...
Yes, that's one of my favourite statements too, ranks along with "if you're not for us you're against us".hole."The net effect is that if you are a law abiding citizen of this country going about your business and personal life you have nothing to fear about the British state or intelligence agencies listening to the content of your phone calls or anything like that.
from - http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/nothing-to-fear-from-gch...
Nothing to fear, aye right, except from those who say we have nothing to fear.
If it bothers you. Not uncrackable but if everybody used it we could waste a lot of their time.
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Whilst the idea of supposedly private communications being scanned is worrisome, I would hope that the work of the security services balances this anxiety.
We live in dangerous times.
buggalugs said:
So we have no reasonable right to privacy?
How to you know what this access is being used for, or will be used for in the future? (Rhetorical question, you don't)
I think the right to be safe from Islamic nut jobs and the right to total privacy are at odds with each other.How to you know what this access is being used for, or will be used for in the future? (Rhetorical question, you don't)
Whilst the idea of supposedly private communications being scanned is worrisome, I would hope that the work of the security services balances this anxiety.
We live in dangerous times.
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