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jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Tuesday 1st July 2014
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He must like Russian food then.

FunkyNige

8,859 posts

274 months

Tuesday 1st July 2014
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NinjaPower said:
They are claiming that they are releasing the documents in order to stop a war 'which was planned for July 2014'.

Sounds really quite tinfoil-hat-tastic to me.
It wasn't that long ago when the NSA deliberately making encryption weaker or intercepting laptops in order to place malware would be tinfoil hat territory...
But that one does seem more tinfoilhatish that most!

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Tuesday 1st July 2014
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When you chuck a load of 1's and 0's down the internet, someone looking in or sneaking through your laptop is hardley in the territory of the alcan lovers.

Silent1

19,761 posts

234 months

Tuesday 1st July 2014
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NinjaPower said:
They are claiming that they are releasing the documents in order to stop a war 'which was planned for July 2014'.

Sounds really quite tinfoil-hat-tastic to me.
I think it's being misread and it's a plea to release it. Although knowing JY he wouldn't say something without backup.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Edward Snowden: Smartphone users can do 'very little' to stop security services getting control of devices

article said:
Mr Snowden, responsible for the biggest leak of top secret intelligence documents the world has ever seen, said GCHQ could gain access to a handset by sending it an encrypted text message and use it for such things as taking pictures and listening in.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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BlackLabel said:
Edward Snowden: Smartphone users can do 'very little' to stop security services getting control of devices

article said:
Mr Snowden, responsible for the biggest leak of top secret intelligence documents the world has ever seen, said GCHQ could gain access to a handset by sending it an encrypted text message and use it for such things as taking pictures and listening in.
This is hardly news to anyone, I don't know why Snowden chose to live a life on the run in Siberia to gift us information that is pretty well accepted. What a knob.

dudleybloke

19,718 posts

185 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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I would like to thank him for releasing the JTRIG manual.
Very interesting read.

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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FredClogs said:
This is hardly news to anyone, I don't know why Snowden chose to live a life on the run in Siberia to gift us information that is pretty well accepted. What a knob.
So he didn't release a single thing that wasn't known?

You are the only militant lefty I've ever read comments by that doesn't think this guy is a hero.

dubloon

64 posts

104 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Snowden should be recognised as champion of democracy who has rightly exposed the state's cheating and lies.

People like Fred Cloggs who just roll over and acquiesce in 24/7 monitoring by the state would do well to find a copy of George Orwell's 1984 and catch up with their reading.

Between monitoring your location, communications and credit card the state has everything. Now put that in the hands of Jeremy Corbyn's new socialist revolution and just make sure you don't step out of line.....

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Pesty said:
FredClogs said:
This is hardly news to anyone, I don't know why Snowden chose to live a life on the run in Siberia to gift us information that is pretty well accepted. What a knob.
So he didn't release a single thing that wasn't known?

You are the only militant lefty I've ever read comments by that doesn't think this guy is a hero.
I'm not a militant lefty, I just assumed that everyone who took any interest knew this kind of stuff already, but I'm not exactly fully briefed on what Snowden released that was really news and what he didn't - it's one thing being righteous and heroic, it's another having to live under Putin's protection in Siberia the rest of your days.

But you know, best not say much more about this - they're watching...

richie99

1,116 posts

185 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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BlackLabel said:
Edward Snowden: Smartphone users can do 'very little' to stop security services getting control of devices

article said:
Mr Snowden, responsible for the biggest leak of top secret intelligence documents the world has ever seen, said GCHQ could gain access to a handset by sending it an encrypted text message and use it for such things as taking pictures and listening in.
He's just piped up today to coincide with the European Court decision today on the nutty Austrian v Facebook case. Every Snowden revelation is timed to coincide with some data privacy freak event in Brussels.

Also noticed the 'Internet giants obstruct the war on terror' in today's press. Same thing.

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

202 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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The Eurpoean Court ruling today was merely a clarification, it has always been illegal to hold UK data in the USA under the Data Protection Act 1998; SafeHarbour notwithstanding.

Now with today's ruling it is unambiguous even for those that have had their fingers in their ears.

AA999

5,180 posts

216 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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dubloon said:
Snowden should be recognised as champion of democracy who has rightly exposed the state's cheating and lies.

People like Fred Cloggs who just roll over and acquiesce in 24/7 monitoring by the state would do well to find a copy of George Orwell's 1984 and catch up with their reading.

Between monitoring your location, communications and credit card the state has everything. Now put that in the hands of Jeremy Corbyn's new socialist revolution and just make sure you don't step out of line.....
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In a democratic western world this type of public monitoring is absurd and seems to me to be a consequence of lack of border controls and very loose immigration policies.

It also serves as a self protection measure against public uprising when a government starts to fail on numerous fronts. Again it shouts of anti-democracy and very much more like ultimate state control (ie. communism).

dudleybloke

19,718 posts

185 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Careful you don't get classed as an "unprivileged belligerent".

DaveCWK

1,979 posts

173 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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BlackLabel said:
Edward Snowden: Smartphone users can do 'very little' to stop security services getting control of devices

article said:
Mr Snowden, responsible for the biggest leak of top secret intelligence documents the world has ever seen, said GCHQ could gain access to a handset by sending it an encrypted text message and use it for such things as taking pictures and listening in.
I call BS on this headline.

The most popular smartphone OS, Android, is open source.

How exactly can sending an ‘encrypted text’ (whatever that is - I assume an SMS message) to a consumer handset, enable someone to remotely take control of the local OS & do all the claimed nefarious things?

Tonsko

6,299 posts

214 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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DaveCWK said:
I call BS on this headline.

The most popular smartphone OS, Android, is open source.

How exactly can sending an ‘encrypted text’ (whatever that is - I assume an SMS message) to a consumer handset, enable someone to remotely take control of the local OS & do all the claimed nefarious things?
Like the Stagefright vulnerability for example? Affects something like 95% of Android handsets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagefright_(bug)

That's just one that we now know about.

0000

13,812 posts

190 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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DaveCWK said:
The most popular smartphone OS, Android, is open source.
I'm not so sure about that, for two reasons.

Firstly, I'm not convinced it's entirely open source.

Secondly, I'm not convinced it's the only exploitable software the phones run.

And thirdly, as above.

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

202 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Tonsko said:
DaveCWK said:
I call BS on this headline.

The most popular smartphone OS, Android, is open source.

How exactly can sending an ‘encrypted text’ (whatever that is - I assume an SMS message) to a consumer handset, enable someone to remotely take control of the local OS & do all the claimed nefarious things?
Like the Stagefright vulnerability for example? Affects something like 95% of Android handsets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagefright_(bug)

That's just one that we now know about.
Ever changed handset or had an OS update? You get a text message shortly after, changing several settings including updating your MMS ability.

SMS was created purely for software engineers for this very purpose, it was never intended to be a user messaging system, that happened by accident how ever odd that may sound now.

jshell

11,006 posts

204 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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FFS, this was well known in the industry many years ago! Family member mentioned it in passing a long time since, so it's no great revelation!

CorbynForTheBin

12,230 posts

193 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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FredClogs said:
I'm not a militant lefty,
I love a good joke.