So - what do we think of these Murdoch rumours then?
Discussion
Countdown said:
NoNeed said:
Countdown said:
I don't think TB is stupid.
Really?No, I don't think he's stupid.
We could talk of a property boom too that has made it nearly impossible for ordinary working people to afford their own homes. This from a man of the people that built no social housing in his time to alleviate the problem of the nearly two million on council waiting lists by the time he had left office.
Well I suppose if he intended to make the wealthy beneffit dependant while putting the boot into ordinary working class folk he was quite clever.
Edited by NoNeed on Saturday 15th June 21:47
NoNeed said:
He wanted to leave a lasting legacy of a britain that was better than when he found it. due to the policies he used he left it massively divided, broke and in the hands of winky. And we don't even need to mention illegal wars and dodgy dossiers.
He said stuff that he knew would get him elected. He succeeded. Three times. In my view that emphasises exactly why he wasn't stupid. Cunning, devious, manipulative, a snake-oil salesman without principles or morals? Maybe. But stupid? No.NoNeed said:
We could talk of a property boom too that has made it nearly impossible for ordinary working people to afford their own homes. This from a man of the people that built no social housing in his time to alleviate the problem of the nearly two million on council waiting lists by the time he had left office.
Building more council houses? Surely a PH heresy 
I'm not sure if the housing boom could be blamed on him - IMO it was just a reflection of the booming economy and the Buy Now Pay Later generation.NoNeed said:
Well I suppose if he intended to make the wealthy beneffit dependant while putting the boot into ordinary working class folk he was quite clever.
Wasn't that more Gordon Brown's idea than TB's ? Stuff like tax credits etc.?
turbobloke said:
Fair enough but it depends also on how stupid the average voter is. Churchill had something apt to say about that.
True. I'm pretty comfortable with the electorate in the UK picking safe-ish choices. Blair was a centrist visionary. I liked some of his policies, even as a right of centre libertarian. I never voted for him. But I slept well at night knowing he was not stupid.
I sleep less well when we "inherit" prime ministers who are unproven at the ballot box.
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