Doesn't this make you angry ?

[V8covin]

In the papers today a rapist got 3 years while a burglar got 8 !
It appears the judicial system doesn't think rape is a serious crime ,this kind of sentence is seen more and more

[odyssey2200]

Yes,very.

[WhereamI]

It depends on the circumstances, not knowing anything about the cases it's hard to comment.

[Regiment]

Depends on the circumstances.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Seems perverse but need more info on the individual cases before I get angry.

Rape is never nice but despite Ken Clarke getting into hot water a while back for saying it, there are varying levels of rape, from the couple in bed and the woman having 2nd thoughts at the last moment to the masked thug who leaps out from behind a tree in the park and drags his victim into the bushes with a knife at her throat.

[King Herald]

If he raped a poor woman, and the other guy robbed a rich persons house, well, you know.......

[fido]

The OP seems to the imply that Robbery isn't a serious crime. It can have a lasting and detrimental effect on the victim. Poor or rich.

[Rick101]

fido said:

The OP seems to the imply that Robbery isn't a serious crime. It can have a lasting and detrimental effect on the victim. Poor or rich.

I'm not sure they are saying robbery isn't serious. They are saying the judiciary is giving a rapist less than half the sentence of a robber(sp?).

If things were black and white this would be clearly wrong, but without knowing the details of the individual cases it's unfair to comment.

[fido]

Rick101 said:

I'm not sure they are saying robbery isn't serious. They are saying the judiciary is giving a rapist less than half the sentence of a robber(sp?).

So why make the comparison. Or is it just another tedious exercise in relativistic moralism?

[V8covin]

The rapist pounced on a young woman in an underpass and raped her......is that enough information for some of you !!!!

[WhereamI]

V8covin said:

The rapist pounced on a young woman in an underpass and raped her......is that enough information for some of you !!!!

Where are you getting this from? Quoting a source would be helpful

[Gargamel]

Was the burglar on his 10th offence, and had previous done jail time ?

Was the rapist a first tiome offender, or suffering with a mental condition or similar.

I would tend to agree three years for a "stranger" rape, especially of at knife point seems very lenient.

[V8covin]

I don't care whether the burglar had 100 previous convictions or had done time before the point is 3 years for rape is a disgrace and it's not uncommon to see a sentence like this handed out,although reading some of the replies on here maybe it's not even a serious crime to some of you.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/...

[WhereamI]

V8covin said:

I don't care whether the burglar had 100 previous convictions or had done time before the point is 3 years for rape is a disgrace and it's not uncommon to see a sentence like this handed out,although reading some of the replies on here maybe it's not even a serious crime to some of you.
I believe it was in todays sun

Rape is an exceptionally serious crime that is usually treated as such. The sentencing guidelines are as follows:

Sentencing Council said:

It is impossible to say that any one form of non-consensual penetration is inherently a more serious violation of the victim’s sexual autonomy than another. The Council therefore
has determined that the sentencing starting points established in Millberry should apply to all non-consensual offences involving penetration of the anus or vagina or penile penetration of the mouth.
• 5 years is intended to be the starting point for a case involving an adult victim raped by a single offender in a case that involves no aggravating factors at all.
• 8 years is the suggested starting point where any of the particular aggravating factors identified in the offence guidelines are involved.

2A.3 In addition:
• where identified aggravating factors exist and the victim is a child aged 13 or over but under 16, the recommended starting point is 10 years;
• for the rape of a child under 13 where there are no aggravating factors, a starting point of 10 years is recommended, rising to 13 years for cases involving any of the
particular aggravating factors identified in the guideline.

2A.4 These are starting points. The existence of aggravating factors may significantly increase the sentence. The new sentences for public protection are designed to ensure that
sexual offenders are not released into the community if they present a significant risk of serious harm.

A case where the sentence is less than these minima is exceptional, that's why it would be interesting to see some detail of what it was.

[WhereamI]

V8covin said:

I don't care whether the burglar had 100 previous convictions or had done time before the point is 3 years for rape is a disgrace and it's not uncommon to see a sentence like this handed out,although reading some of the replies on here maybe it's not even a serious crime to some of you.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/...

Curtis Pizzey was actually sentenced to six years, not the three that the Sun reports. That's why it's useful to know the case, newspapers are often wrong in what they report.

Personally I wouldn't say that was enough though.

[Ozzie Osmond]

V8covin said:

3 years for rape is a disgrace

What do you think the sentence should be?

[steviegunn]

Ozzie Osmond said:

What do you think the sentence should be?

10 years in prison and gender reassignment surgery.

[V8covin]

Ozzie Osmond said:

What do you think the sentence should be?

I'd like to see minimum sentences for every crime and the full term served....with extra time added on for bad behaviour.
So,for a rape like this, 15 years.
There should be no leniency for violent rapists.

There is no place in society for people like this guy and unfortunately this is not an isolated incident,rapes happen on a daily basis....and the sentences seem to get more lenient,under the orders of the government I suspect because of the prison overcrowding problem.

[V8covin]

WhereamI said:

Curtis Pizzey was actually sentenced to six years, not the three that the Sun reports. That's why it's useful to know the case, newspapers are often wrong in what they report.

Personally I wouldn't say that was enough though.

you're quite correct,it was 6 years,still not enough as you say

[carinaman]

I once had a Mrs Merton style heated debate with an Inspector and Sergeant about DNA retention and they were giving it the 'but it means we catch rapists' line. I pointed out that even if they catch rapists any sentence they're likely to get would be minimal. Yes, I've known a victim of sex crime so I have some idea of the consequences.