Is the end nigh for the Euro? [vol. 3]

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

Thanks for that gem. May I keep it and re-use at an opportune moment?

You may

[Andy Zarse]

garyhun said:

Digga said:

Thanks for that gem. May I keep it and re-use at an opportune moment?

You may

True that

[Steffan]

DJRC said:

Ah its nothing lads apart from a blokes pride. Want a laugh? The job would have been effectively a 30k pay cut! And I'm pissed about buggering it up!! It had long term upsides but short/medium term was financially a daft idea.

As for Xmas distracting? Hmmm, I suspect my father being in hospital very ill and my gran having a suspected heart attack last week might have more of an impact.

But I'm mostly just pissed because I feel I embarrassed myself professionally.

Oh well I'm sure I'll bugger up again soon enough

The old philosophical phrase, "No man is an island", springs to mind. We are all affected by serious health matters within the family. I do hope matters improve and I do wish you well. We cannot escape our humanity: In the words of another philosopher. We are all chllenged by adversity by life from time to time. Part of life, but not a very fun part. Given the apparent depth of the bounce in you, I fully expect a return to full volume operation shortly.

[Digga]

Steffan said:

DJRC said:

Ah its nothing lads apart from a blokes pride. Want a laugh? The job would have been effectively a 30k pay cut! And I'm pissed about buggering it up!! It had long term upsides but short/medium term was financially a daft idea.

As for Xmas distracting? Hmmm, I suspect my father being in hospital very ill and my gran having a suspected heart attack last week might have more of an impact.

But I'm mostly just pissed because I feel I embarrassed myself professionally.

Oh well I'm sure I'll bugger up again soon enough

The old philosophical phrase, "No man is an island", springs to mind. We are all affected by serious health matters within the family. I do hope matters improve and I do wish you well. We cannot escape our humanity: In the words of another philosopher. We are all chllenged by adversity by life from time to time. Part of life, but not a very fun part. Given the apparent depth of the bounce in you, I fully expect a return to full volume operation shortly.

As a fellow engineer, I feel duty bound to wheel out the old chestnut I was always told:

"The man who never made a mistake never made anything."

These words, more often than not, followed some enormous outbreak of mistakes on the part of the person using them but, nonetheless, contain an element of truth.

[YankeePorker]

Back on topic rather than DJRC's woes (you have my commiserations), it is indeed looking like Super Mario will find it hard to get permission from Angela to up the scale of the can kicking to the buying of Eurozone government bonds:

http://blogs.ft.com/brusselsblog/2014/12/10/leaked...

[steveT350C]

Is Greece going to have the next say in the future of the €...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambrose...

[Andy Zarse]

steveT350C said:

Is Greece going to have the next say in the future of the €...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambrose...

Greek industrial production back to the levels of....1976!

[Andy Zarse]

Now here's a delicious thought. Let's see if the Germans do unto themselves as they have done unto others...

[anonymous-user]

Maybe the UK is due a fantastic Summer in that case!

[Andy Zarse]

garyhun said:

Maybe the UK is due a fantastic Summer in that case!

Yes, because in May we'll have a fantastic new Prime Minister... Ed Miliband. And ed Balls will have his hands on the printing presses too What can possibly go wrong?

[LongQ]

Andy Zarse said:

Greek industrial production back to the levels of....1976!

Interesting to compare that to the population which seems to have risen about 2 million (estimate based on a graph) in that period.

But then there is this:

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/07/10/greeces...

Migrants leaving, population aging .... stuff going in all directions.

By birth rate it looks like Ireland is set to take over the world - might take a couple of centuries though. However if I have read the glanced at numbers correctly a couple of generations down the line, so long as the new born don't leave at the first opportunity, the age balance of the Irish population could be much better than most places. If they can keep it up, so to speak.

[Walford]

Its not all bad news
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/12/05/greece-...

[jogon]

Juncker tells the Greeks how to vote now..

http://euobserver.com/political/126880

[Art0ir]

jogon said:

Juncker tells the Greeks how to vote now..

http://euobserver.com/political/126880

Not to worry, the EU seemingly has the power to remove democratically elected heads of states if they hint at dissent.

Viva Italia

[hidetheelephants]

Fun starting in Greece again? Election time in a month.

[Andrew[MG]]

Some interesting points in here http://www.owen.org/blog/7461 Although not currency related it does address the UK and Europe coming to terms with their future on the world stage.

[DJRC]

Its quite easy for the UK to come terms with its place in the world...JUST fkING LOOK AT US!!!!!

One of the world top 5 economies.
The most visited country in the word.
The leading city in Europe and arguably the world. For the record i much prefer other cities than London.
One of the top manufacturing nations & economies in the world.
Europe's leading car producer.

Our ability to interact with the world hasn't shrunk or changed in the last century, if anything the last 20 yrs and the advent of the internet has opened up new unlimited opportunities that actually play right into the hands of the traditional strength of Britain! The world in its shrunken communications, travel, connectivity has just expanded again in its possibilities. Britain is so ideally placed to exploit the new world dynamic/zeitgeist that it takes such myopically moronic thinking that I can't even put into words just how pathetic the scared, inwards, pessimistic view that seems inherent in domestic British thinking currently is. This isn't an anti/pro EU thing either, its the obsession with how we have let the debate simply become an in/out EU thing. Why the hell nobody is making the expansionist argument I have no idea. Hell, work the EU for all its worth and then work our MASSIVE leverage around the world. There is a Commonwealth trading block that should be an immediate market for Britain to build, tap into and enjoy.

Expand, expand, expand! There is not a single reason at all why Britain should not be a high net worth, high profit, expansionist trading/business Goliath.
Not one.

[V8RX7]

DJRC said:

Why the hell nobody is making the expansionist argument I have no idea.

Because we only have one ship, two tanks and a couple of Marines...





We could probably take France, Italy and Argentina




Do we want them ?

[hidetheelephants]

DJRC said:

Our ability to interact with the world hasn't shrunk or changed in the last century, if anything the last 20 yrs and the advent of the internet has opened up new unlimited opportunities that actually play right into the hands of the traditional strength of Britain! The world in its shrunken communications, travel, connectivity has just expanded again in its possibilities. Britain is so ideally placed to exploit the new world dynamic/zeitgeist that it takes such myopically moronic thinking that I can't even put into words just how pathetic the scared, inwards, pessimistic view that seems inherent in domestic British thinking currently is. This isn't an anti/pro EU thing either, its the obsession with how we have let the debate simply become an in/out EU thing. Why the hell nobody is making the expansionist argument I have no idea. Hell, work the EU for all its worth and then work our MASSIVE leverage around the world. There is a Commonwealth trading block that should be an immediate market for Britain to build, tap into and enjoy.

Expand, expand, expand! There is not a single reason at all why Britain should not be a high net worth, high profit, expansionist trading/business Goliath.
Not one.

I applaud the sentiment and agree, but wasn't abandoning commonwealth trade agreements part of our belated entry to the EU, along with fking the fishermen and hooking the farmers on the smack that is subsidy? The mandarins are in charge and the only way to shift them may be to bring the roof down on their heads; the Greeks might just be desperate enough to have a go.

[rovermorris999]

DJRC said:

There is a Commonwealth trading block that should be an immediate market for Britain to build, tap into and enjoy.

The EU won't let us do that which is why coming out is a good idea. Bilateral trade deals are verboten. Keep a free trade and open but controlled movement of workers relationship with the EU (which they well understand is in their best interest too, the UK being their biggest market) and then lever our language and Commonwealth connections and trade more with the rest of the world which is growing, unlike the Euro zone.
Funny enough, there is a political party out there that says exactly this but from how they are painted in the MSM you wouldn't guess it.

Edited by rovermorris999 on Thursday 1st January 10:12