Is the end nigh for the Euro? [vol. 3]
Discussion
The Don of Croy said:
Tony427 said:
Or perhaps we could grow our own flowers now that the Government subsidies to the Dutch growers are disappearing and their prices increase....
It's more than 30 years since I left the commercial hort sector, but in that time I've come across a lot more clog-wielding business people, and my impression is, even if they don't grow them they'll have plans to retain the middle man business (a position trading nations excel at). IMHO the dutch are in the premier league when it comes to negotiations (and pragmatic solutions).As for our friendly euro - it and the EU will be around for a while yet. As figureheads of a belief system they retain their followers in the face of mere facts, at least while they have access to funding.
Murph7355 said:
I also saw the Dutch guy on Newsnight. Another shining example of a politician who doesn't get it. Had a good dose of smug arrogance too. He must have been schooled in politics here.
Don't think any of these anti-fragile idiots would think twice about sacrificing their own GDP or economy in service to the greater ideal of the EU. Their careers, salaries and pensions don't depend on rational trade, but are delivered from the paymasters, out of the big pot.Gandahar said:
Just to answer the original question again the answer is still no.
People going off topic to pad this thread out. But the answer is still no, as it has been for 5 years now and all these posts.
We are like a unexploded bomb on here. You have to make sure it never goes off. We only have to get lucky once. People going off topic to pad this thread out. But the answer is still no, as it has been for 5 years now and all these posts.
Anyway - no one remembers the reason the Euro was created now anyway
Wait ... I found this
"When the EU was founded in 1957, the Member States concentrated on building a 'common market' for trade. However, over time it became clear that closer economic and monetary co-operation was needed for the internal market to develop and flourish further, and for the whole European economy to perform better, bringing more jobs and greater prosperity for Europeans. In 1991, the Member States approved the Treaty on European Union (the Maastricht Treaty), deciding that Europe would have a strong and stable currency for the 21st century.
The benefits of the euro are diverse and are felt on different scales, from individuals and businesses to whole economies. They include:
More choice and stable prices for consumers and citizens
Greater security and more opportunities for businesses and markets
Improved economic stability and growth
More integrated financial markets
A stronger presence for the EU in the global economy
A tangible sign of a European identity
Many of these benefits are interconnected. For example, economic stability is good for a Member State’s economy as it allows the government to plan for the future. But economic stability also benefits businesses because it reduces uncertainty and encourages companies to invest. This, in turn, benefits citizens who see more employment and better-quality jobs."
Well it is certainly hard to argue that on those criteria the Single Currency is an absolute runaway success. I am sure that Italian youth rejoice everyday for the employment and better quality jobs they have.
Gandahar said:
Just to answer the original question again the answer is still no.
People going off topic to pad this thread out. But the answer is still no, as it has been for 5 years now and all these posts.
Thank you for your "expert" opinion. Can't think why this thread continues now the oracle has spoken. People going off topic to pad this thread out. But the answer is still no, as it has been for 5 years now and all these posts.
jjlynn27 said:
And round and round we go. The thread was created 5-6 years ago. The euro is still here. Those are the very simple facts.
If the thread was titled 'Will Euro eventually disappear?' then it would have some legs. As it is; the answer was, and still is, no.
It may still be around, but is that a good thing ? If the thread was titled 'Will Euro eventually disappear?' then it would have some legs. As it is; the answer was, and still is, no.
Perhaps that should be the purpose of the thread.
In any case, the standard/level of discussion in this topic sets a decent bar that other threads in NP&E would do well to try to emulate. Instead of all the yah boo sucks level of "debate"
Tony427 said:
I was watching newsnight yesterday evening and they interviewed the Dutch Finance Minister who was insistent that the Brexit deal would be a lose lose for both sides and that there was little room for negotiation even allowing for Merkel's softening of tone.
I was struck by his intrasigence and the fact that he seemed completely unaware of the truck roaring up behind him containing the multidudinous EU and Eurozone problems that will proabably see him out of his job in any event.
It was definitely EU business as normal.
The interviewer pointed out that there is £10 billion worth of trade at risk bewteen the UK and the Netherlands but the Dutch Finance Minister did not seem too concerned. Perhaps he needs to look at a bit deeper analysis of that trade.
For example, £666m of that trade is in cut flowers sold to the UK. Not high tech, blue chip manufacturing we would still buy, but a price sensitive discretionary purchase, currently under EU imposed tariff barriers of between 14 and 24 % on imports from flower producing countries such as Kenya and Chile etc. These tariff barriers have been protecting the Dutch growers who in recent years have also been producing under Government subsidies which is why our cut flower industry could not compete pricewise and has been decimated.
In short we could get cheaper flowers from elsewhere and replace his country's £666m trade in short measure.
Or perhaps we could grow our own flowers now that the Government subsidies to the Dutch growers are disappearing and their prices increase.
I wonder if the Dutch flower growers looking at a £666m drop in business, and the Dutch population as a whole who are not great EU supporters, are wholly behind the tough line taken by their present Finance Minister.
Cheers,
Tony
I was struck by his intrasigence and the fact that he seemed completely unaware of the truck roaring up behind him containing the multidudinous EU and Eurozone problems that will proabably see him out of his job in any event.
It was definitely EU business as normal.
The interviewer pointed out that there is £10 billion worth of trade at risk bewteen the UK and the Netherlands but the Dutch Finance Minister did not seem too concerned. Perhaps he needs to look at a bit deeper analysis of that trade.
For example, £666m of that trade is in cut flowers sold to the UK. Not high tech, blue chip manufacturing we would still buy, but a price sensitive discretionary purchase, currently under EU imposed tariff barriers of between 14 and 24 % on imports from flower producing countries such as Kenya and Chile etc. These tariff barriers have been protecting the Dutch growers who in recent years have also been producing under Government subsidies which is why our cut flower industry could not compete pricewise and has been decimated.
In short we could get cheaper flowers from elsewhere and replace his country's £666m trade in short measure.
Or perhaps we could grow our own flowers now that the Government subsidies to the Dutch growers are disappearing and their prices increase.
I wonder if the Dutch flower growers looking at a £666m drop in business, and the Dutch population as a whole who are not great EU supporters, are wholly behind the tough line taken by their present Finance Minister.
Cheers,
Tony
Full on retard right there, perhaps you should quit your day job and join bojo in napkin economics
Tryke3 said:
Tony427 said:
I was watching newsnight yesterday evening and they interviewed the Dutch Finance Minister who was insistent that the Brexit deal would be a lose lose for both sides and that there was little room for negotiation even allowing for Merkel's softening of tone.
I was struck by his intrasigence and the fact that he seemed completely unaware of the truck roaring up behind him containing the multidudinous EU and Eurozone problems that will proabably see him out of his job in any event.
It was definitely EU business as normal.
The interviewer pointed out that there is £10 billion worth of trade at risk bewteen the UK and the Netherlands but the Dutch Finance Minister did not seem too concerned. Perhaps he needs to look at a bit deeper analysis of that trade.
For example, £666m of that trade is in cut flowers sold to the UK. Not high tech, blue chip manufacturing we would still buy, but a price sensitive discretionary purchase, currently under EU imposed tariff barriers of between 14 and 24 % on imports from flower producing countries such as Kenya and Chile etc. These tariff barriers have been protecting the Dutch growers who in recent years have also been producing under Government subsidies which is why our cut flower industry could not compete pricewise and has been decimated.
In short we could get cheaper flowers from elsewhere and replace his country's £666m trade in short measure.
Or perhaps we could grow our own flowers now that the Government subsidies to the Dutch growers are disappearing and their prices increase.
I wonder if the Dutch flower growers looking at a £666m drop in business, and the Dutch population as a whole who are not great EU supporters, are wholly behind the tough line taken by their present Finance Minister.
Cheers,
Tony
I was struck by his intrasigence and the fact that he seemed completely unaware of the truck roaring up behind him containing the multidudinous EU and Eurozone problems that will proabably see him out of his job in any event.
It was definitely EU business as normal.
The interviewer pointed out that there is £10 billion worth of trade at risk bewteen the UK and the Netherlands but the Dutch Finance Minister did not seem too concerned. Perhaps he needs to look at a bit deeper analysis of that trade.
For example, £666m of that trade is in cut flowers sold to the UK. Not high tech, blue chip manufacturing we would still buy, but a price sensitive discretionary purchase, currently under EU imposed tariff barriers of between 14 and 24 % on imports from flower producing countries such as Kenya and Chile etc. These tariff barriers have been protecting the Dutch growers who in recent years have also been producing under Government subsidies which is why our cut flower industry could not compete pricewise and has been decimated.
In short we could get cheaper flowers from elsewhere and replace his country's £666m trade in short measure.
Or perhaps we could grow our own flowers now that the Government subsidies to the Dutch growers are disappearing and their prices increase.
I wonder if the Dutch flower growers looking at a £666m drop in business, and the Dutch population as a whole who are not great EU supporters, are wholly behind the tough line taken by their present Finance Minister.
Cheers,
Tony
Full on retard right there, perhaps you should quit your day job and join bojo in napkin economics
Hainey said:
Tryke3 said:
Tony427 said:
I was watching newsnight yesterday evening and they interviewed the Dutch Finance Minister who was insistent that the Brexit deal would be a lose lose for both sides and that there was little room for negotiation even allowing for Merkel's softening of tone.
I was struck by his intrasigence and the fact that he seemed completely unaware of the truck roaring up behind him containing the multidudinous EU and Eurozone problems that will proabably see him out of his job in any event.
It was definitely EU business as normal.
The interviewer pointed out that there is £10 billion worth of trade at risk bewteen the UK and the Netherlands but the Dutch Finance Minister did not seem too concerned. Perhaps he needs to look at a bit deeper analysis of that trade.
For example, £666m of that trade is in cut flowers sold to the UK. Not high tech, blue chip manufacturing we would still buy, but a price sensitive discretionary purchase, currently under EU imposed tariff barriers of between 14 and 24 % on imports from flower producing countries such as Kenya and Chile etc. These tariff barriers have been protecting the Dutch growers who in recent years have also been producing under Government subsidies which is why our cut flower industry could not compete pricewise and has been decimated.
In short we could get cheaper flowers from elsewhere and replace his country's £666m trade in short measure.
Or perhaps we could grow our own flowers now that the Government subsidies to the Dutch growers are disappearing and their prices increase.
I wonder if the Dutch flower growers looking at a £666m drop in business, and the Dutch population as a whole who are not great EU supporters, are wholly behind the tough line taken by their present Finance Minister.
Cheers,
Tony
I was struck by his intrasigence and the fact that he seemed completely unaware of the truck roaring up behind him containing the multidudinous EU and Eurozone problems that will proabably see him out of his job in any event.
It was definitely EU business as normal.
The interviewer pointed out that there is £10 billion worth of trade at risk bewteen the UK and the Netherlands but the Dutch Finance Minister did not seem too concerned. Perhaps he needs to look at a bit deeper analysis of that trade.
For example, £666m of that trade is in cut flowers sold to the UK. Not high tech, blue chip manufacturing we would still buy, but a price sensitive discretionary purchase, currently under EU imposed tariff barriers of between 14 and 24 % on imports from flower producing countries such as Kenya and Chile etc. These tariff barriers have been protecting the Dutch growers who in recent years have also been producing under Government subsidies which is why our cut flower industry could not compete pricewise and has been decimated.
In short we could get cheaper flowers from elsewhere and replace his country's £666m trade in short measure.
Or perhaps we could grow our own flowers now that the Government subsidies to the Dutch growers are disappearing and their prices increase.
I wonder if the Dutch flower growers looking at a £666m drop in business, and the Dutch population as a whole who are not great EU supporters, are wholly behind the tough line taken by their present Finance Minister.
Cheers,
Tony
Full on retard right there, perhaps you should quit your day job and join bojo in napkin economics
Tryke3 said:
Hainey said:
Tryke3 said:
Tony427 said:
I was watching newsnight yesterday evening and they interviewed the Dutch Finance Minister who was insistent that the Brexit deal would be a lose lose for both sides and that there was little room for negotiation even allowing for Merkel's softening of tone.
I was struck by his intrasigence and the fact that he seemed completely unaware of the truck roaring up behind him containing the multidudinous EU and Eurozone problems that will proabably see him out of his job in any event.
It was definitely EU business as normal.
The interviewer pointed out that there is £10 billion worth of trade at risk bewteen the UK and the Netherlands but the Dutch Finance Minister did not seem too concerned. Perhaps he needs to look at a bit deeper analysis of that trade.
For example, £666m of that trade is in cut flowers sold to the UK. Not high tech, blue chip manufacturing we would still buy, but a price sensitive discretionary purchase, currently under EU imposed tariff barriers of between 14 and 24 % on imports from flower producing countries such as Kenya and Chile etc. These tariff barriers have been protecting the Dutch growers who in recent years have also been producing under Government subsidies which is why our cut flower industry could not compete pricewise and has been decimated.
In short we could get cheaper flowers from elsewhere and replace his country's £666m trade in short measure.
Or perhaps we could grow our own flowers now that the Government subsidies to the Dutch growers are disappearing and their prices increase.
I wonder if the Dutch flower growers looking at a £666m drop in business, and the Dutch population as a whole who are not great EU supporters, are wholly behind the tough line taken by their present Finance Minister.
Cheers,
Tony
I was struck by his intrasigence and the fact that he seemed completely unaware of the truck roaring up behind him containing the multidudinous EU and Eurozone problems that will proabably see him out of his job in any event.
It was definitely EU business as normal.
The interviewer pointed out that there is £10 billion worth of trade at risk bewteen the UK and the Netherlands but the Dutch Finance Minister did not seem too concerned. Perhaps he needs to look at a bit deeper analysis of that trade.
For example, £666m of that trade is in cut flowers sold to the UK. Not high tech, blue chip manufacturing we would still buy, but a price sensitive discretionary purchase, currently under EU imposed tariff barriers of between 14 and 24 % on imports from flower producing countries such as Kenya and Chile etc. These tariff barriers have been protecting the Dutch growers who in recent years have also been producing under Government subsidies which is why our cut flower industry could not compete pricewise and has been decimated.
In short we could get cheaper flowers from elsewhere and replace his country's £666m trade in short measure.
Or perhaps we could grow our own flowers now that the Government subsidies to the Dutch growers are disappearing and their prices increase.
I wonder if the Dutch flower growers looking at a £666m drop in business, and the Dutch population as a whole who are not great EU supporters, are wholly behind the tough line taken by their present Finance Minister.
Cheers,
Tony
Full on retard right there, perhaps you should quit your day job and join bojo in napkin economics
Your initial retort told us very little, with the exception of an insight into your own intelligence, which is clearly lacking.
Can you expand on the below a little please?
Tryke3 said:
Full on retard right there, perhaps you should quit your day job and join bojo in napkin economics
Edited by don'tbesilly on Wednesday 16th November 20:45
Im not delusional to be able to expand on stuff that i know nothing about unlike everyone here, who lately is full on a economics expert. What i do know is that Holland is one of the biggest exporter/growers and i do believe the dutch minister when he says hes not too worried about loosing the uk as a market, probably because he knows it'll still be cheaper for us to pay pay tarrifs on imports and still buy from them than import our own. Why is everyone trying to simplify everything as if its easy to import from Kenya or whatever, first of all we would need to outbid the Dutch who buy hundreds of millions at a time, but then again economics has nothing to do with brexit because we have lost our marbles
Tryke3 said:
Im not delusional to be able to expand on stuff that i know nothing about unlike everyone here, who lately is full on a economics expert. What i do know is that Holland is one of the biggest exporter/growers and i do believe the dutch minister when he says hes not too worried about loosing the uk as a market, probably because he knows it'll still be cheaper for us to pay pay tarrifs on imports and still buy from them than import our own. Why is everyone trying to simplify everything as if its easy to import from Kenya or whatever, first of all we would need to outbid the Dutch who buy hundreds of millions at a time, but then again economics has nothing to do with brexit because we have lost our marbles
I'm as far from an economics expert as humanly possible but I can see that anyone who thinks the Eu is not some great mess has lost their marbles.Tryke3 said:
Im not delusional to be able to expand on stuff that i know nothing about unlike everyone here, who lately is full on a economics expert. What i do know is that Holland is one of the biggest exporter/growers and i do believe the dutch minister when he says hes not too worried about loosing the uk as a market, probably because he knows it'll still be cheaper for us to pay pay tarrifs on imports and still buy from them than import our own. Why is everyone trying to simplify everything as if its easy to import from Kenya or whatever, first of all we would need to outbid the Dutch who buy hundreds of millions at a time, but then again economics has nothing to do with brexit because we have lost our marbles
Baloney.Tryke3 said:
Im not delusional to be able to expand on stuff that i know nothing about unlike everyone here, who lately is full on a economics expert. What i do know is that Holland is one of the biggest exporter/growers and i do believe the dutch minister when he says hes not too worried about loosing the uk as a market, probably because he knows it'll still be cheaper for us to pay pay tarrifs on imports and still buy from them than import our own. Why is everyone trying to simplify everything as if its easy to import from Kenya or whatever, first of all we would need to outbid the Dutch who buy hundreds of millions at a time, but then again economics has nothing to do with brexit because we have lost our marbles
“Hello Mr Kenyan (or whatever) flower grower, would it be possible for you to supply the UK with your beautiful flowers, say, around £300, maybe £400 mils a year?” “You’d need to sort out the paperwork at your end, right up to the point of cleared delivery and onward transportation across our small country.”
“It would be a pre-requisite that you adhered to any current b
ks that the EU had generated with regard to quality, freshness and terms of settlement.”“If this opportunity might be of interest to you, kind Sir, would you kindly click our Contact Us button and we’ll get right back to you as soon as we can. There’s been a bit of an increase in the amount of enquiries lately (what with all this new free trade stuff that’s going on) and we thought you might like the opportunity to quote as roughly outlined above...”
Some see negativity, others, opportunity.
Tryke3 said:
Im not delusional to be able to expand on stuff that i know nothing about unlike everyone here, who lately is full on a economics expert. What i do know is that Holland is one of the biggest exporter/growers and i do believe the dutch minister when he says hes not too worried about loosing the uk as a market, probably because he knows it'll still be cheaper for us to pay pay tarrifs on imports and still buy from them than import our own. Why is everyone trying to simplify everything as if its easy to import from Kenya or whatever, first of all we would need to outbid the Dutch who buy hundreds of millions at a time, but then again economics has nothing to do with brexit because we have lost our marbles
I once visited the flower auctions at Alkmaar. Very interesting place. Flowers come in to the massive building from all over the world, and then flower buyers bid for them in a Dutch auction (the price goes down rather than up). Flowers are then dispatched from Alkmaar to all of Europe.Now, having the critical mass for the market in a certain country does mean that the main trade will stay there - it would be ridiculous to assume that it would move as a result of Brexit - but there is a very good argument to say that if the UK environment became much more amenable to direct imports (the previously mentioned lowered tariffs) we may well end up in a situation where despite the benefits of the big market in Alkmaar it is cheaper to buy direct and ship direct to the UK as a profitable sideline.
Tryke3 said:
Full on retard right there, perhaps you should quit your day job and join bojo in napkin economics
Edited by wc98 on Thursday 17th November 06:50
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