Barry George loses Dando murder compensation bid.
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Barry George was always innocent. He was the local weirdo and at the time locking up the local weirdo was good enough for the Metropolitan Police. Just ask Colin Stagg, similarly fitted up by the same people.
He's due the money as well as more than a few groveling apologies, not least from that smug w
ker Nick Ross.
He's due the money as well as more than a few groveling apologies, not least from that smug w
ker Nick Ross.In fairness to Nick Ross, I doubt he would have had much control over the investigation, the evidence presented to the jury and the direction from the judge. Or the drawn out proces of George's eventual release and treatment since.
In danger of coming across as the anti-PHer but should we be glad capital punishment wasn't an option at the time?
In danger of coming across as the anti-PHer but should we be glad capital punishment wasn't an option at the time?
rohrl said:
Barry George was always innocent. He was the local weirdo and at the time locking up the local weirdo was good enough for the Metropolitan Police. Just ask Colin Stagg, similarly fitted up by the same people.
He's due the money as well as more than a few groveling apologies, not least from that smug wker Nick Ross.
I lived in the area at the time of the killing, and none of the residents and business owners who knew Barry George personally believed he was guilty.He's due the money as well as more than a few groveling apologies, not least from that smug w
ker Nick Ross.He was the local oddball, and as far as the Met were concerned, that was enough.
I hope enough people with 'clout' are on his side that he can seek further redress.
rohrl said:
Barry George was always innocent.
Absolutely. He lived in a fantasy world. An inadequate loner and Fulham's equivalent of a village idiot . Pretending he was Freddie Mercury's cousin and all than nonsense. If he had done it, he never could have kept his gob shut, he would be boasting to anyone who would give him the time of day.Jill Dando was the victim of a highly professional assassination. Barry George couldn't pour p1ss out of a boot unless it had instructions of the heel.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
rohrl said:
Barry George was always innocent.
Absolutely. He lived in a fantasy world. An inadequate loner and Fulham's equivalent of a village idiot . Pretending he was Freddie Mercury's cousin and all than nonsense. If he had done it, he never could have kept his gob shut, he would be boasting to anyone who would give him the time of day.Jill Dando was the victim of a highly professional assassination. Barry George couldn't pour p1ss out of a boot unless it had instructions of the heel.
It always has surprised me that no one has taken a good, long look at what else was going on within the criminal justice system at that time, seen how it might have related to CrimeWatch and maybe put two & two together.
Perhaps they have. Certainly a couple of ex-policemen I've talked to have. But perhaps the reason nobody's said anything is because the results would be more than a little bit embarrassing for some sections of that same system.
graphene said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
^^This 100%^^
It always has surprised me that no one has taken a good, long look at what else was going on within the criminal justice system at that time, seen how it might have related to CrimeWatch and maybe put two & two together.
Perhaps they have. Certainly a couple of ex-policemen I've talked to have. But perhaps the reason nobody's said anything is because the results would be more than a little bit embarrassing for some sections of that same system.
ContinueIt always has surprised me that no one has taken a good, long look at what else was going on within the criminal justice system at that time, seen how it might have related to CrimeWatch and maybe put two & two together.
Perhaps they have. Certainly a couple of ex-policemen I've talked to have. But perhaps the reason nobody's said anything is because the results would be more than a little bit embarrassing for some sections of that same system.
The Armchair Detective!
Ok, you asked for it..
Not doing the whole thing but here are some thoughts in basically the same way as one of the Bib told me...
If Dando wasn't shot by a nutter or a jealous/failed lover, what other reason could it be?
If someone did want her dead in the professional way it was carried out they would need access to that most elusive of creatures, a real life hitman. Which would mean it was either organised by a government agency (UK or abroad.) or perhaps a criminal well known for both his use of violence and for the violent deaths of some of his associates, as they might have access to such a person?
Now if we rule out the Serb theory, which seems a little far fetched & we know MI6 like Antiques Roadshow too much, why would such a criminal want her dead if she had no links to him? Perhaps as some kind of warning to someone else? Particularly if that criminal had recently appeared on her Crimewatch programme in relation to a murder to which there was only one principal witness. (There had been another witness but he had already been shot dead.)
Who knows, maybe that criminal was awaiting trial at the time of Dando's death and that principal witness was already in a protection programme organised by the BiB. However they had already had to be moved from several 'safe houses' as this particular criminal would appear to have had 'friends' in the force and their security had already been compromised?
"If I can get her, I can get you,"???
No names, no pack drill, if you want to post them that's up to you..
Sminky pinky.. you ain't seen me. RIGHT.
Not doing the whole thing but here are some thoughts in basically the same way as one of the Bib told me...
If Dando wasn't shot by a nutter or a jealous/failed lover, what other reason could it be?
If someone did want her dead in the professional way it was carried out they would need access to that most elusive of creatures, a real life hitman. Which would mean it was either organised by a government agency (UK or abroad.) or perhaps a criminal well known for both his use of violence and for the violent deaths of some of his associates, as they might have access to such a person?
Now if we rule out the Serb theory, which seems a little far fetched & we know MI6 like Antiques Roadshow too much, why would such a criminal want her dead if she had no links to him? Perhaps as some kind of warning to someone else? Particularly if that criminal had recently appeared on her Crimewatch programme in relation to a murder to which there was only one principal witness. (There had been another witness but he had already been shot dead.)
Who knows, maybe that criminal was awaiting trial at the time of Dando's death and that principal witness was already in a protection programme organised by the BiB. However they had already had to be moved from several 'safe houses' as this particular criminal would appear to have had 'friends' in the force and their security had already been compromised?
"If I can get her, I can get you,"???
No names, no pack drill, if you want to post them that's up to you..
Sminky pinky.. you ain't seen me. RIGHT.
I haven't got a clue who or why, but you don't need to be Inspector Morse to see the professionalism in the killing.
No one knows if the assassin entered Gowen Rd from East or West. There's a theory that he/she left heading west and then turned south into Fulham Palace Rd. But only because someone saw somebody running a few minutes after the shooting. But it could have been totally unrelated.
With the complete lack of any real evidence, you'd think this event had taken place on a remote island in the Outer Hebrides, as opposed to London SW6.
One shot, at close range, thru the temple. In and out like a shadow.
And this was Barry George?
Give Barry George a proper loaded gun and if he didn't wet himself, he'd be like Fredo in The Godfather when Don Corleone gets hit in the fruit market!
No one knows if the assassin entered Gowen Rd from East or West. There's a theory that he/she left heading west and then turned south into Fulham Palace Rd. But only because someone saw somebody running a few minutes after the shooting. But it could have been totally unrelated.
With the complete lack of any real evidence, you'd think this event had taken place on a remote island in the Outer Hebrides, as opposed to London SW6.
One shot, at close range, thru the temple. In and out like a shadow.
And this was Barry George?
Give Barry George a proper loaded gun and if he didn't wet himself, he'd be like Fredo in The Godfather when Don Corleone gets hit in the fruit market!
Mr Gearchange said:
Hadn't he been previously arrested/charged/found guilty of bunch of other wierdo creepy st* though?
More importantly I have been hearing for years that he was a Rollerskate Stuntman who once jumped over a bus or two. Of all the details surrounding this mentalist over the last 14 odd years this has always resonated.
I have, however, never seen any footage or details of this. I would be greatly indebted if anyone can direct me towards footage of 'Barry George - Rollerskate Stuntman'
It is definitely true, I saw it on tv the night of his conviction. It was on that evening show that Frank Bough did, ( the original footage) and they replayed it. Ost bizarre, he had like a half pipe ramp up on top of a bus and he was trying to jump over it to another landing ramp. Iirc he didn't make it! t* though?More importantly I have been hearing for years that he was a Rollerskate Stuntman who once jumped over a bus or two. Of all the details surrounding this mentalist over the last 14 odd years this has always resonated.
I have, however, never seen any footage or details of this. I would be greatly indebted if anyone can direct me towards footage of 'Barry George - Rollerskate Stuntman'
The judges have all the evidence we do not perhaps, but to me it does look like he was a known person who had previous run ins so fitted the bill. He was tried on flimsy evidence to say the least but with the absence of anything more and a very high profile death perhaps the CPS were willing to push it.
Having been acquitted then whether we dislike him or not he should be compensated with enough to get him back to where he would have been all things being equal.
By doing what they have the judges have basically said, regardless of the evidence we think you are as guilty as hell so therefore get nothing.
It always seemed to be far too clean a hit to be a chance thing or a wierdo
Having been acquitted then whether we dislike him or not he should be compensated with enough to get him back to where he would have been all things being equal.
By doing what they have the judges have basically said, regardless of the evidence we think you are as guilty as hell so therefore get nothing.
It always seemed to be far too clean a hit to be a chance thing or a wierdo
The Hypno-Toad said:
Ok, you asked for it..
Not doing the whole thing but here are some thoughts in basically the same way as one of the Bib told me...
If Dando wasn't shot by a nutter or a jealous/failed lover, what other reason could it be?
If someone did want her dead in the professional way it was carried out they would need access to that most elusive of creatures, a real life hitman. Which would mean it was either organised by a government agency (UK or abroad.) or perhaps a criminal well known for both his use of violence and for the violent deaths of some of his associates, as they might have access to such a person?
Now if we rule out the Serb theory, which seems a little far fetched & we know MI6 like Antiques Roadshow too much, why would such a criminal want her dead if she had no links to him? Perhaps as some kind of warning to someone else? Particularly if that criminal had recently appeared on her Crimewatch programme in relation to a murder to which there was only one principal witness. (There had been another witness but he had already been shot dead.)
Who knows, maybe that criminal was awaiting trial at the time of Dando's death and that principal witness was already in a protection programme organised by the BiB. However they had already had to be moved from several 'safe houses' as this particular criminal would appear to have had 'friends' in the force and their security had already been compromised?
"If I can get her, I can get you,"???
No names, no pack drill, if you want to post them that's up to you..
Sminky pinky.. you ain't seen me. RIGHT.
Why are people so obsessed with connecting everything to Noye?Not doing the whole thing but here are some thoughts in basically the same way as one of the Bib told me...
If Dando wasn't shot by a nutter or a jealous/failed lover, what other reason could it be?
If someone did want her dead in the professional way it was carried out they would need access to that most elusive of creatures, a real life hitman. Which would mean it was either organised by a government agency (UK or abroad.) or perhaps a criminal well known for both his use of violence and for the violent deaths of some of his associates, as they might have access to such a person?
Now if we rule out the Serb theory, which seems a little far fetched & we know MI6 like Antiques Roadshow too much, why would such a criminal want her dead if she had no links to him? Perhaps as some kind of warning to someone else? Particularly if that criminal had recently appeared on her Crimewatch programme in relation to a murder to which there was only one principal witness. (There had been another witness but he had already been shot dead.)
Who knows, maybe that criminal was awaiting trial at the time of Dando's death and that principal witness was already in a protection programme organised by the BiB. However they had already had to be moved from several 'safe houses' as this particular criminal would appear to have had 'friends' in the force and their security had already been compromised?
"If I can get her, I can get you,"???
No names, no pack drill, if you want to post them that's up to you..
Sminky pinky.. you ain't seen me. RIGHT.
Where were internet forums at the time of the Babes in the Wood murders?
We could have had pages and pages of those who knew that the man charged was innocent and had only been picked on by the police because he was, well, take your pick:
1/ a loner,
2/ known to the police for doing silly things,
3/ no one saw the abduction of two kids so it must have been a professional hit,
4/ then onto page two of the book of irrefutable reasons for incompetence of the police.
The man charged had no previous convictions, at least for murdering children. But the inept police service, who never do anything right, went for the wrong man because they wanted the easy option.
It would have been a lively debate, right up until the man charged with the original murder attempted to kill a child of the same age.
Well, I say that, but perhaps the thread would have gone on a bit longer with accusations of the police picking on the bloke because they thought he'd got away with it the previous time. Maybe even after the conviction, there would have been pages and pages written about how the evidence didn't stack up and that the jury had been hoodwinked - presumably by hearing it all - and that it was a travesty of justice and everyone should be ashamed of themselves.
Just before the second arrest, a bloke published a book showing that the chap could not have possibly committed the babes in the wood murders because of facts that he'd discovered. I was lucky enough to be able to secure one of these books, before pulping, and it was the biggest load of rubbish I'd ever seen. Actually quote funny.
A court has decided that the chap has no claim for damages. I wonder how everyone would feel about the chap arrested and kept in custody for the BitW murders if he'd claimed for compensation. That said, the SIO of the second case said that there was no chance of that because evidenced excluded in the first case at court would have been allowed in a civil court and so there'd be no chance. And he was right.
We could have had pages and pages of those who knew that the man charged was innocent and had only been picked on by the police because he was, well, take your pick:
1/ a loner,
2/ known to the police for doing silly things,
3/ no one saw the abduction of two kids so it must have been a professional hit,
4/ then onto page two of the book of irrefutable reasons for incompetence of the police.
The man charged had no previous convictions, at least for murdering children. But the inept police service, who never do anything right, went for the wrong man because they wanted the easy option.
It would have been a lively debate, right up until the man charged with the original murder attempted to kill a child of the same age.
Well, I say that, but perhaps the thread would have gone on a bit longer with accusations of the police picking on the bloke because they thought he'd got away with it the previous time. Maybe even after the conviction, there would have been pages and pages written about how the evidence didn't stack up and that the jury had been hoodwinked - presumably by hearing it all - and that it was a travesty of justice and everyone should be ashamed of themselves.
Just before the second arrest, a bloke published a book showing that the chap could not have possibly committed the babes in the wood murders because of facts that he'd discovered. I was lucky enough to be able to secure one of these books, before pulping, and it was the biggest load of rubbish I'd ever seen. Actually quote funny.
A court has decided that the chap has no claim for damages. I wonder how everyone would feel about the chap arrested and kept in custody for the BitW murders if he'd claimed for compensation. That said, the SIO of the second case said that there was no chance of that because evidenced excluded in the first case at court would have been allowed in a civil court and so there'd be no chance. And he was right.
Oakey said:
Why are people so obsessed with connecting everything to Noye?
I never mentioned Noye, you've just done that. 
I'm firmly of the belief that the whole of his life has been one gigantic fit-up from beginning to end.
Just because nearly everyone he appears to do business with, most of whom seem to have criminal associations, ends up dead in violent circumstances or disappeared, doesn't mean he's this criminal mastermind does it? I mean Brinks Mat? He was just melting the gold wasn't he? And the money from that was just resting in his account, he was going to move it to a subsidy account before handing it back to the proper authorities. And I mean, just because he stabbed one person to death with a pitchfork, doesn't mean he's capable of doing the same thing to a bloke at a roundabout does it? And as I mentioned above, he only got rid of his Land Rover in a crusher and fled to France because he knew the BiB were going to fit him up...
He's a lovely bloke. Buys his Mum flowers and that... Wont' hear a word said against old
I noted with interest that a number of newspapers finally did mention his name in connection with the shooting on the last anniversary of her death. Anything to do with his upcoming parole?
Derek Smith said:
Where were internet forums at the time of the Babes in the Wood murders?
We could have had pages and pages of those who knew that the man charged was innocent and had only been picked on by the police because he was, well, take your pick:
1/ a loner,
2/ known to the police for doing silly things,
3/ no one saw the abduction of two kids so it must have been a professional hit,
4/ then onto page two of the book of irrefutable reasons for incompetence of the police.
The man charged had no previous convictions, at least for murdering children. But the inept police service, who never do anything right, went for the wrong man because they wanted the easy option.
It would have been a lively debate, right up until the man charged with the original murder attempted to kill a child of the same age.
Well, I say that, but perhaps the thread would have gone on a bit longer with accusations of the police picking on the bloke because they thought he'd got away with it the previous time. Maybe even after the conviction, there would have been pages and pages written about how the evidence didn't stack up and that the jury had been hoodwinked - presumably by hearing it all - and that it was a travesty of justice and everyone should be ashamed of themselves.
Just before the second arrest, a bloke published a book showing that the chap could not have possibly committed the babes in the wood murders because of facts that he'd discovered. I was lucky enough to be able to secure one of these books, before pulping, and it was the biggest load of rubbish I'd ever seen. Actually quote funny.
A court has decided that the chap has no claim for damages. I wonder how everyone would feel about the chap arrested and kept in custody for the BitW murders if he'd claimed for compensation. That said, the SIO of the second case said that there was no chance of that because evidenced excluded in the first case at court would have been allowed in a civil court and so there'd be no chance. And he was right.
how many tv personalities has barry george subsequently shot in the head derek ?We could have had pages and pages of those who knew that the man charged was innocent and had only been picked on by the police because he was, well, take your pick:
1/ a loner,
2/ known to the police for doing silly things,
3/ no one saw the abduction of two kids so it must have been a professional hit,
4/ then onto page two of the book of irrefutable reasons for incompetence of the police.
The man charged had no previous convictions, at least for murdering children. But the inept police service, who never do anything right, went for the wrong man because they wanted the easy option.
It would have been a lively debate, right up until the man charged with the original murder attempted to kill a child of the same age.
Well, I say that, but perhaps the thread would have gone on a bit longer with accusations of the police picking on the bloke because they thought he'd got away with it the previous time. Maybe even after the conviction, there would have been pages and pages written about how the evidence didn't stack up and that the jury had been hoodwinked - presumably by hearing it all - and that it was a travesty of justice and everyone should be ashamed of themselves.
Just before the second arrest, a bloke published a book showing that the chap could not have possibly committed the babes in the wood murders because of facts that he'd discovered. I was lucky enough to be able to secure one of these books, before pulping, and it was the biggest load of rubbish I'd ever seen. Actually quote funny.
A court has decided that the chap has no claim for damages. I wonder how everyone would feel about the chap arrested and kept in custody for the BitW murders if he'd claimed for compensation. That said, the SIO of the second case said that there was no chance of that because evidenced excluded in the first case at court would have been allowed in a civil court and so there'd be no chance. And he was right.
Dr Jekyll said:
The point about Barry George was the complete lack of evidence. Some people seem to think that anyone on trial is by definition guilty.
The fundamental evidence, since discounted, was the forensic evidence around gun powder and fibre transfer. If the now-defunct Forensic Science Service writes a report saying how improbable such forensic transfers are, and you have other circumstantial evidence (he was IDed at the scene by a witness IIRC), then what are the police going to do? They present it to the CPS who'll make a decision to charge or not. The key failure was the assessment of the forensic evidence (surely the defence had their own experts to examine it, too?).
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