Barry George loses Dando murder compensation bid.

Barry George loses Dando murder compensation bid.

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Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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La Liga said:
he fundamental evidence, since discounted, was the forensic evidence around gun powder and fibre transfer. If the now-defunct Forensic Science Service writes a report saying how improbable such forensic transfers are, and you have other circumstantial evidence (he was IDed at the scene by a witness IIRC), then what are the police going to do? They present it to the CPS who'll make a decision to charge or not.

The key failure was the assessment of the forensic evidence (surely the defence had their own experts to examine it, too?).
But even if the gun powder wasn't the result of contamination. It simply implied that Barry George had been in contact with ammunition at some time, not that he had shot Jill Dando or anyone else. Incidentally the jacket with the gunpowder in it bore no resemblance to the jacket witnesses saw a suspect wearing at the time. BG did have such a jacket and the prosecution argument was that he had been wearing it to shoot JD, but no gunpowder was found on it.

John McVicar wrote a book explaining why he was convinced Barry George was guilty and in it he remarked that even the prosecution were flabbergasted by the guilty verdict.


Edited by Dr Jekyll on Tuesday 14th April 09:29

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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No idea about evidence or not of his guilt/innocence but he does look a wrong 'un!


Derek Smith

45,512 posts

247 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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wc98 said:
how many tv personalities has barry george subsequently shot in the head derek ?
You've completely missed the whole point of my post, other than, I suppose, reinforcing it.

My argument is not against George but posters who seem to know everything despite not seeing the case, the disclosure, the exclusions, the arguments. It is never that simple.

A court case is not an exercise in the pursuit of truth you know. The suspect for the murders was an ESN chap who, surprisingly, had the intelligence to tell his defence team that he never wore a wrist watch and shrewd enough to not wear his one throughout the trail, raising his arm in the closure speeches (so no cross for the defence), to show no sun tan marks. Clever bloke, eh?

How much influence did that have on the jury? Would the fact that he'd been photographed a number of times with wrist watches, some of the images being in newspapers, have changed their collective mind? It didn't change mine, but I'd already seen the disclosure and had made mine up. Shame the jury were blocked from seeing it all.

George's history post conviction might have suggested that if the person who was found NG of Hadaway and Fellows' murders had been imprisoned, then released, perhaps he'd not have gone on to try and kill a 7-year-old kid. But that was not my point.

Whilst there were faults on the prosecution side of the BitW trial, the defence was funded, open-cheque-book style, by a national newspaper. The defence brief was one of the 'best' in the country. Whilst I've got a lot of respect for the CPS, they being underfunded and overworked to a tremendous extent, they were up against people who were good enough to command a lot of money.


Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Derek Smith said:
My argument is not against George but posters who seem to know everything despite not seeing the case, the disclosure, the exclusions, the arguments. It is never that simple.
But whenever there is a controversy over a guilty verdict we are told 'oh but there might have been some compelling evidence given to the jury but that the media covering the case strangely omitted to mention despite giving coverage to laughably tenuous so called evidence'.

I'm not saying BG was proved innocent, I agree he was a wrong 'un and probably considerably brighter than he let on. I'm just saying that the evidence did not prove it beyond reasonable doubt, or anywhere close.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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The fact that he has been convicted or accused impersonating a police officer (with a forged warrant card), impersonating a Freddie Mercury relation, 5 indecent assaults, 1 rape and found in the grounds of Kensington Palace with a 12 inch knife whilst wearing a balaclava means he is a wrong 'un.

The fact that he appeared in court to dressed as a glam rocker and going by the name Paul Gadd would indicate he is a nutter.

By claiming to be Tom Palmer, one of the SAS Iranian embassy soldiers would suggest he is a fantasist.

Is he a murderer? No idea but I am not convinced he isn't.

He sure as hell is not as dumb as he makes out!

Cheese Mechanic

3,157 posts

168 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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I'm unsure as to whether George did the deed or not. I did not follow the case at the time and therfore are not particularly informed as to the ins and outs of the case, other than Jill Dando's unfortunante demise, which seems to have happened in front of all, in broad daylight. Disturbing.

However, I used to chat over a pint to an experienced Prison Officer who came into regular contact with George while he was in Whitemoor prison, near March. Many will have read of the hardcore nutters who end up at least for some of the time in that particular high security prison.

The PO was a reliable sort, not given to many words and not known for exaggeration. He was of the opinion though, that George was a very wierd frightening individual, one of the most disturbing inmates in the prison, and for Whitemoor that says something.

I can also recall him specifically saying that even if George was not a murderer , he should not be on the streets, should be in another institution. I think he had done around 12 yrs service the PO, so an experienced man, who told me that being in George's company made him uneasy, and had to make the effort so as not to show his unease.

Of course , this little anecdote does nothing to prove George's guilt or innocence, but perhaps it may make one think of how you would react to him, if you were on his jury.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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If it waddles and quacks!

xjsdriver

1,071 posts

120 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Grumfutock said:
If it waddles and quacks!
......it's a witch!!!! Burn the witch!!!

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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xjsdriver said:
Grumfutock said:
If it waddles and quacks!
......it's a witch!!!! Burn the witch!!!
Jehovah!

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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What I read...

Cheese Mechanic said:
I'm unsure as to whether George did the deed or not. I did not follow the case at the time and therfore are not particularly informed as to the ins and outs of the case
Cheese Mechanic said:
However
Cheese Mechanic said:
I used to chat over a pint to an experienced Prison Officer who came into regular contact with George while he was in Whitemoor prison
Cheese Mechanic said:
The PO was a reliable sort
Cheese Mechanic said:
I can also recall him specifically saying that even if George was not a murderer , he should not be on the streets, should be in another institution.


Cheese Mechanic said:
Of course , this little anecdote does nothing to prove George's guilt or innocence

Cheese Mechanic

3,157 posts

168 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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FredClogs said:
Personal truthfull anecdote,if you cannot read properly, your problem.

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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The Hypno-Toad said:
I never mentioned Noye, you've just done that. wink

I'm firmly of the belief that the whole of his life has been one gigantic fit-up from beginning to end.
Just because nearly everyone he appears to do business with, most of whom seem to have criminal associations, ends up dead in violent circumstances or disappeared, doesn't mean he's this criminal mastermind does it? I mean Brinks Mat? He was just melting the gold wasn't he? And the money from that was just resting in his account, he was going to move it to a subsidy account before handing it back to the proper authorities. And I mean, just because he stabbed one person to death with a pitchfork, doesn't mean he's capable of doing the same thing to a bloke at a roundabout does it? And as I mentioned above, he only got rid of his Land Rover in a crusher and fled to France because he knew the BiB were going to fit him up...

He's a lovely bloke. Buys his Mum flowers and that... Wont' hear a word said against old Dinsy Kenny-Boy...

I noted with interest that a number of newspapers finally did mention his name in connection with the shooting on the last anniversary of her death. Anything to do with his upcoming parole?
No look, Noye didn't mastermind Brinks Mat. McAvoy and Robinson planned it, it was Robinsons brother in law who was their insider for the job. You need to remember that originally they only expected to find cash, the gold completely took them by surprise. Noye wasn't involved until some time later.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Digga said:
You have to admit though, those Cillit Bang adverts are really fking annoying.
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rohrl

8,711 posts

144 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
Digga said:
You have to admit though, those Cillit Bang adverts are really fking annoying.
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And now I'm imagining Cillit Bang being advertised on TV by Barry George. This will amuse me for some time.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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rohrl said:
And now I'm imagining Cillit Bang being advertised on TV by Barry George. This will amuse me for some time.
I am still chuckling at the very thought can't wait to see it my wife will think I have gone insane when i start laughing
Even though his name is Scott.

s3fella

10,524 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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He deserved some punishment for trying to jump over that double decker on roller skates, but a 10 stretch....? Maybe a bit over the top (unlike, the bus).

Mr Gearchange

5,892 posts

205 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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I'm still looking for footage of Barry George Rollerskate Stuntman - I reckon I must have been looking for a decade or more now

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Still can't believe anyone would want to harm Jill Dando

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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I wish there was footage of the judges face when George walked into court dressed as a Glam Rocker and said my name is Paul Gadd!!!! It must of been hysterical.

Asterix

24,438 posts

227 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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Grumfutock said:
No idea about evidence or not of his guilt/innocence but he does look a wrong 'un!

Wherever he lays his hat...