Give us a fracking break!

[Mr GrimNasty]

3 year study by the (anti-fracking) University of Cincinnati found fracking has no effect on groundwater, so it's not being released to the public!

http://freepressstandard.com/university-of-cincinn...

[Sway]

Phud said:

hidetheelephants said:

Possibly, but ovens fired with solid fuel are not greener and are much harder to control the temperature of.

Apart from doing a lot of low and slow BBQ and a little cooking in wood stoves, I would say it only takes practice. As for not being greener, menh

Wood or charcoal burning is carbon neutral, if that's the measure being applied...

I'm with you on the ease - it's really not hard regulating temperature - I get steadier temp from my charcoal smoker than I do my bloody expensive oven!

[HD Adam]

Sway said:

Wood or charcoal burning is carbon neutral, if that's the measure being applied...

In that case, so is petrol.

Derived from oil, made from rotted down & compressed vegetation.

[Sway]

HD Adam said:

Sway said:

Wood or charcoal burning is carbon neutral, if that's the measure being applied...

In that case, so is petrol.

Derived from oil, made from rotted down & compressed vegetation.

Well yes, but over a significantly longer time frame...

[hidetheelephants]

Sway said:

Phud said:

hidetheelephants said:

Possibly, but ovens fired with solid fuel are not greener and are much harder to control the temperature of.

Apart from doing a lot of low and slow BBQ and a little cooking in wood stoves, I would say it only takes practice. As for not being greener, menh

Wood or charcoal burning is carbon neutral, if that's the measure being applied...

I'm with you on the ease - it's really not hard regulating temperature - I get steadier temp from my charcoal smoker than I do my bloody expensive oven!

Solid fuel rarely combusts completely, generates large amounts of particulate, the ovens are slow to start needing lit well before needed and cannot be switched on or off at will; they're a rolling environmental hazard. There's a reason few with access to alternatives routinely use solid fuel to cook things with.

[Crush]

nelly1 said:

Greenpeace Luvvies in the sh!t...

I hope that stench stays up her nose for a good week (the manure, not the crusties).

[Pan Pan Pan]

Phud said:

FredClogs said:

You've found a way to bake value without using gas or electricity?

Easy, wood fuelled ovens or charcoal, if they had thought about it.

The UK was once covered by forests. It is not any more. If a large proportion of the UK public tried to convert to wood burning devices, the UK would soon end up looking like Easter Island.
Even now over 86% of all the timber used in this country for various purposes is imported from across the world. It is most certainly NOT green.

[FredClogs]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Phud said:

FredClogs said:

You've found a way to bake value without using gas or electricity?

Easy, wood fuelled ovens or charcoal, if they had thought about it.

The UK was once covered by forests. It is not any more. If a large proportion of the UK public tried to convert to wood burning devices, the UK would soon end up looking like Easter Island.
Even now over 86% of all the timber used in this country for various purposes is imported from across the world. It is most certainly NOT green.

Cake is better now than it was in the 17th century. I think.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Sway said:

Wood or charcoal burning is carbon neutral, if that's the measure being applied...

Biomass is not carbon neutral, it's classified as carbon neutral by brain-dead politicians/zealots. But it isn't.

http://www.pfpi.net/carbon-emissions

Also EU insistence on BIO-fuel proportions has added the equivalent of 12 million more cars to the roads in INCREASED CO2.

http://www.cfact.org/2016/04/26/european-plan-to-r...

[Sway]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Sway said:

Wood or charcoal burning is carbon neutral, if that's the measure being applied...

Biomass is not carbon neutral, it's classified as carbon neutral by brain-dead politicians/zealots. But it isn't.

http://www.pfpi.net/carbon-emissions

Also EU insistence on BIO-fuel proportions has added the equivalent of 12 million more cars to the roads in INCREASED CO2.

http://www.cfact.org/2016/04/26/european-plan-to-r...

Thanks for implying I'm braindead. I suppose what I learned of the carbon cycle in school was complete bks.

As in, plants absorb an amount of carbon dioxide, and use it through photosynthesis and lots of other processes to create the cellulose structures that is 'plant'.

When burnt, that cellulose is broken back down into particulates and Co2 - how can the co2 emissions be higher than the amount of atmospheric carbon that had been absorbed through it's life?

As for the amount of forestation, didn't shipbuilding primarily drive both the amount of forest planted and it's use?

Finally, I really don't car either way - I'm quite happy with fossil fuel use, and don't subscribe to co2 equals planet death. These protesters do though - so isn't it a tad hypocritical to use fossil fuelled ovens when biomass can be used? For that matter, if fossil fuels and biomass is so bad, how do they propose we cook at all?

[Mr GrimNasty]

Sway said:

Thanks for implying I'm braindead. I suppose what I learned of the carbon cycle in school was complete bks.

As in, plants absorb an amount of carbon dioxide, and use it through photosynthesis and lots of other processes to create the cellulose structures that is 'plant'.

When burnt, that cellulose is broken back down into particulates and Co2 - how can the co2 emissions be higher than the amount of atmospheric carbon that had been absorbed through it's life?

As for the amount of forestation, didn't shipbuilding primarily drive both the amount of forest planted and it's use?

Finally, I really don't car either way - I'm quite happy with fossil fuel use, and don't subscribe to co2 equals planet death. These protesters do though - so isn't it a tad hypocritical to use fossil fuelled ovens when biomass can be used? For that matter, if fossil fuels and biomass is so bad, how do they propose we cook at all?

I wasn't insulting you, I was correcting the factoids of the 'green' blob who are fking up our country and energy infrastructure.

[JagLover]

Mr GrimNasty said:

3 year study by the (anti-fracking) University of Cincinnati found fracking has no effect on groundwater, so it's not being released to the public!

http://freepressstandard.com/university-of-cincinn...

Doesn't surprise me.

[Don1]

Australian politician sets a river on fire...
http://www.techinsider.io/fracking-river-on-fire-2...

[hidetheelephants]

Don1 said:

Australian politician sets a river on fire...
http://www.techinsider.io/fracking-river-on-fire-2...

Without some objectivity and pre- and post-drilling testing this is as misleading as the infamous flaming tap; there are plenty of places in the world where this is a natural phenomenon.

[andymadmak]

hidetheelephants said:

Without some objectivity and pre- and post-drilling testing this is as misleading as the infamous flaming tap; there are plenty of places in the world where this is a natural phenomenon.

Indeed
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/24...

[jet_noise]

hidetheelephants said:

Don1 said:

Australian politician sets a river on fire...
http://www.techinsider.io/fracking-river-on-fire-2...

Without some objectivity and pre- and post-drilling testing this is as misleading as the infamous flaming tap; there are plenty of places in the world where this is a natural phenomenon.

Gasland all over again. Green advocate says inflammable gas in water near frack site is due to fracking. Doesn't mention that the area has always had this characteristic,

regards,
Jet

[Halb]

Prof. Richard Davies just on BBC breakfast, seemed quite a balanced fella.

[The Don of Croy]

The BBC news coveragre this morning has managed to include all the important keywords - earthquake, controversial method, huge volumes of water, volatile, etc etc.

Imagine if we'd only just invented fire - how would that be reported? Keywords - danger, burning, scarring, smoke, hazard, etc etc

[hidetheelephants]

Possible outbreak of commonsense in Yorkshire as the council grant permission to frack, although a strong rearguard action was being fought by the soapdodgers protesting outside and the C4 newswhiffler spouting utter rubbish about fracking being contrary to the government's green/climatewang policy.

[Mr Whippy]

I hope it all goes terribly wrong. Lorries crashing off roads, destroying verges and narrow street pavements in small villages. Minor tremors all over causing building damages.

Just general bad things to do with fracking from start to finish.

Then hopefully we can get on to making energy in smarter ways rather than burning gas.