Give us a fracking break!
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Mr Whippy said:
I hope it all goes terribly wrong. Lorries crashing off roads, destroying verges and narrow street pavements in small villages. Minor tremors all over causing building damages.
Just general bad things to do with fracking from start to finish.
Then hopefully we can get on to making energy in smarter ways rather than burning gas.
That would be lovely, but we're struggling to do that.Just general bad things to do with fracking from start to finish.
Then hopefully we can get on to making energy in smarter ways rather than burning gas.
So in the meantime, I'm glad my council have seen through the propaganda and have agreed to a test well. If shale gas is viable, it'll give the country a buffer until a truly sustainable method of energy production is rolled out*
* Or, more likely, give us a few years until we're in the same position all over again thanks to future short-sighted governments in thrall to the green lobby
Mr Whippy said:
I hope it all goes terribly wrong. Lorries crashing off roads, destroying verges and narrow street pavements in small villages. Minor tremors all over causing building damages.
Just general bad things to do with fracking from start to finish.
Then hopefully we can get on to making energy in smarter ways rather than burning gas.
You're an idiot.Just general bad things to do with fracking from start to finish.
Then hopefully we can get on to making energy in smarter ways rather than burning gas.
AdeTuono said:
Mr Whippy said:
I hope it all goes terribly wrong. Lorries crashing off roads, destroying verges and narrow street pavements in small villages. Minor tremors all over causing building damages.
Just general bad things to do with fracking from start to finish.
Then hopefully we can get on to making energy in smarter ways rather than burning gas.
You're an idiot.Just general bad things to do with fracking from start to finish.
Then hopefully we can get on to making energy in smarter ways rather than burning gas.
God the Swampies were apoplectic (or a new word - Apopoleftic - virtually exploding with whinge when a result does not go the way YOU want).
No big difference than conventional drilling and stimulating which has gone on for years. Yes there will be a few trucks/rigs/pipes being transported but after it is all set up you will hardly see it, nor hear it nor smell it.
If you look at the way pipelines are laid. Unter devestation: ground scraped away, big mounds of dirt, lorries, diggers, sidelifters and destruction. Oh wait. After they have gone, ground re-instated and made good. After 2 years you can't tell where the pipe is.
Best policy now is to start drilling at varoius sites over the country so the job dodging crusties get spread out and have less of a mob to intimidate people going about their legal JOB.
- They note down workers car registrations, and have been known to follow some cars back from work. They are all internet and social media warriors and well co-ordinated. But they are the vocal minority like a religious cult.
Or deploy people to check if they are "actively seeking employment" and stop their "dole"...
No big difference than conventional drilling and stimulating which has gone on for years. Yes there will be a few trucks/rigs/pipes being transported but after it is all set up you will hardly see it, nor hear it nor smell it.
If you look at the way pipelines are laid. Unter devestation: ground scraped away, big mounds of dirt, lorries, diggers, sidelifters and destruction. Oh wait. After they have gone, ground re-instated and made good. After 2 years you can't tell where the pipe is.
Best policy now is to start drilling at varoius sites over the country so the job dodging crusties get spread out and have less of a mob to intimidate people going about their legal JOB.
- They note down workers car registrations, and have been known to follow some cars back from work. They are all internet and social media warriors and well co-ordinated. But they are the vocal minority like a religious cult.
Or deploy people to check if they are "actively seeking employment" and stop their "dole"...
I think this has the diesel scandal written all over it. The government will start back pedaling once things start going wrong.
Fracking is not good and other countries like the US have had issues so that should be a lesson to us.
Unfortunately there are too many greedy f**kers running this country to care so as long as their pockets are being lined with everyone else's blood then that's ok.
Fracking is not good and other countries like the US have had issues so that should be a lesson to us.
Unfortunately there are too many greedy f**kers running this country to care so as long as their pockets are being lined with everyone else's blood then that's ok.
Composite Guru said:
I think this has the diesel scandal written all over it. The government will start back pedaling once things start going wrong.
Fracking is not good and other countries like the US have had issues so that should be a lesson to us.
Unfortunately there are too many greedy f**kers running this country to care so as long as their pockets are being lined with everyone else's blood then that's ok.
Fracking has been going on for years, I did my first frack in 1989, I have done them all over the UK and North sea, the process has been improved dramatically over the years and it is safer than ever. Fracking is not good and other countries like the US have had issues so that should be a lesson to us.
Unfortunately there are too many greedy f**kers running this country to care so as long as their pockets are being lined with everyone else's blood then that's ok.
You clearly have no idea what you are on about.
Composite Guru said:
I think this has the diesel scandal written all over it. The government will start back pedaling once things start going wrong.
Fracking is not good and other countries like the US have had issues so that should be a lesson to us.
Unfortunately there are too many greedy f**kers running this country to care so as long as their pockets are being lined with everyone else's blood then that's ok.
Calm down dear, it's only a hole in the ground with some water in it.Fracking is not good and other countries like the US have had issues so that should be a lesson to us.
Unfortunately there are too many greedy f**kers running this country to care so as long as their pockets are being lined with everyone else's blood then that's ok.
What issues were had, flaming taps, massive earthquakes?
And lessons have been learned, isn't this why regulations are drafted in the way that they are?
zygalski said:
So long as fracking is confined to areas 10+ miles away from where I live, I have absolutely nothing against it.
… Which is pretty much what the politicians and energy company bosses are thinking too. The only things that get stopped in this country are things that might threaten London house prices. Everything else is fair game.Scotty2 said:
God the Swampies were apoplectic (or a new word - Apopoleftic - virtually exploding with whinge when a result does not go the way YOU want).
No big difference than conventional drilling and stimulating which has gone on for years. Yes there will be a few trucks/rigs/pipes being transported but after it is all set up you will hardly see it, nor hear it nor smell it.
If you look at the way pipelines are laid. Unter devestation: ground scraped away, big mounds of dirt, lorries, diggers, sidelifters and destruction. Oh wait. After they have gone, ground re-instated and made good. After 2 years you can't tell where the pipe is.
People have no conception of what a wellhead looks like or the infrastructure required to exploit the wells. No big difference than conventional drilling and stimulating which has gone on for years. Yes there will be a few trucks/rigs/pipes being transported but after it is all set up you will hardly see it, nor hear it nor smell it.
If you look at the way pipelines are laid. Unter devestation: ground scraped away, big mounds of dirt, lorries, diggers, sidelifters and destruction. Oh wait. After they have gone, ground re-instated and made good. After 2 years you can't tell where the pipe is.
A couple of weeks ago I was sat on the beach at Studland looking across to Sandbanks (some of the most expensive property in the UK) & mentioned that we were sat on top of the largest onshore oil field in Western Europe. The production facility was close by & nobody would even suspect.
zygalski said:
So long as fracking is confined to areas 10+ miles away from where I live, I have absolutely nothing against it.
Indeed, this is essentially the argument put forward by many on here, we've been spoiled by North Sea gas and imports which are essentially consequence free to peoples immediate standard of living.I live very close to a proposed fracking site as I've explained in this thread before, I have no real immediate worries about the risks that the process of fracking poses but I do have immediate worries about the impact the proposed site and works will have on me and my family and friends (noise, traffic, property values etc..) And there are still unanswered questions and some odd conflicts of information over the failure of the Preese Hall drill site and Cuadrilla's management of the site, it's failure and the subsequent investigation, I don't trust that a big global multinational company have any interests in presenting a balanced and accurate summary of the events and don't trust them in the slightest having seen first hand some of their tactics and presentations on the issues.
Suck it up buttercup, we need the gas - you might say, which is fair enough, I understand that too - But what really grates with the decision at Roseacre is the politics, central government washed their hands of making the decisions in favour of passing it to local government, then offered bribes and when Lancashire still rejected the proposals due to the democratic nature of local government, the people of central Lancashire over overwhelmingly do not want these drill sites, that should be the end of it, shouldn't it? Cut off our gas, raise our prices, see if it makes a difference - fair enough but don't undermine the will of the people, no matter if the people are being a bit annoying or not.
AdeTuono said:
Mr Whippy said:
I hope it all goes terribly wrong. Lorries crashing off roads, destroying verges and narrow street pavements in small villages. Minor tremors all over causing building damages.
Just general bad things to do with fracking from start to finish.
Then hopefully we can get on to making energy in smarter ways rather than burning gas.
You're an idiot.Just general bad things to do with fracking from start to finish.
Then hopefully we can get on to making energy in smarter ways rather than burning gas.
Unless you have a vested interest in which case fair enough. It's at least nice to know you're either terminally stupid or a sellout.
FredClogs said:
Indeed, this is essentially the argument put forward by many on here, we've been spoiled by North Sea gas and imports which are essentially consequence free to peoples immediate standard of living.
I live very close to a proposed fracking site as I've explained in this thread before, I have no real immediate worries about the risks that the process of fracking poses but I do have immediate worries about the impact the proposed site and works will have on me and my family and friends (noise, traffic, property values etc..) And there are still unanswered questions and some odd conflicts of information over the failure of the Preese Hall drill site and Cuadrilla's management of the site, it's failure and the subsequent investigation, I don't trust that a big global multinational company have any interests in presenting a balanced and accurate summary of the events and don't trust them in the slightest having seen first hand some of their tactics and presentations on the issues.
Suck it up buttercup, we need the gas - you might say, which is fair enough, I understand that too - But what really grates with the decision at Roseacre is the politics, central government washed their hands of making the decisions in favour of passing it to local government, then offered bribes and when Lancashire still rejected the proposals due to the democratic nature of local government, the people of central Lancashire over overwhelmingly do not want these drill sites, that should be the end of it, shouldn't it? Cut off our gas, raise our prices, see if it makes a difference - fair enough but don't undermine the will of the people, no matter if the people are being a bit annoying or not.
"Overwhelmingly" don't want it Fred?I live very close to a proposed fracking site as I've explained in this thread before, I have no real immediate worries about the risks that the process of fracking poses but I do have immediate worries about the impact the proposed site and works will have on me and my family and friends (noise, traffic, property values etc..) And there are still unanswered questions and some odd conflicts of information over the failure of the Preese Hall drill site and Cuadrilla's management of the site, it's failure and the subsequent investigation, I don't trust that a big global multinational company have any interests in presenting a balanced and accurate summary of the events and don't trust them in the slightest having seen first hand some of their tactics and presentations on the issues.
Suck it up buttercup, we need the gas - you might say, which is fair enough, I understand that too - But what really grates with the decision at Roseacre is the politics, central government washed their hands of making the decisions in favour of passing it to local government, then offered bribes and when Lancashire still rejected the proposals due to the democratic nature of local government, the people of central Lancashire over overwhelmingly do not want these drill sites, that should be the end of it, shouldn't it? Cut off our gas, raise our prices, see if it makes a difference - fair enough but don't undermine the will of the people, no matter if the people are being a bit annoying or not.
Comments on Blackpool Gazettes FB page about the fracking article - 1
Comments on the article about Smashburger opening - 30
In usual fashion, the Gazette have even reposted the article again because nobody has taken the bait after they posted it the first time 12 hours ago.
More people turned up to protest against the Oystons than they did about fracking and every weekend I see a bunch of sad b
ds stood outside the McDonalds on Cherry Tree Road with their anti fracking and "Honk if you support us" placards and for the most part people simply ignore them.GT03ROB said:
A couple of weeks ago I was sat on the beach at Studland looking across to Sandbanks (some of the most expensive property in the UK) & mentioned that we were sat on top of the largest onshore oil field in Western Europe. The production facility was close by & nobody would even suspect.
Was it in Harry Redknapp's back garden? Does he know anything about it, Rob?Mr Whippy said:
You're an idiot for thinking this is anything but a money grab for short-sighted profiteers while the country's real energy infrastructure needs go ignored.
Unless you have a vested interest in which case fair enough. It's at least nice to know you're either terminally stupid or a sellout.
Anything in this country revolves around profit. Renewable energy is not so why even bother making it work. Lets just destroy the world making profit. One thing to remember is, you cant eat money once the ground you relied on so much is contaminated. Unless you have a vested interest in which case fair enough. It's at least nice to know you're either terminally stupid or a sellout.
Oakey said:
I see a bunch of sad bds stood outside the McDonalds on Cherry Tree Road with their anti fracking and "Honk if you support us" placards and for the most part people simply ignore them.
Sadly these sad bds stood outside the McDonalds on Cherry Tree Road with their anti fracking and "Honk if you support us" placards and for the most part people simply ignore them.ds are just greeny hippies and don't really see what fracking represents.The masses don't see what fracking represents because they'll be sold fracking is great on the promise of a bit of tax cut or wealth overspill, so they're happy for the scraps.
The reality is that it's a profiteering racket at the expense of everyone else for a few, which is exactly what it shouldn't be.
I've said it earlier in this thread, but I'd be 100% behind fracking in the UK if the spoils of the wealth went to investing in really good energy security and infrastructure for our future, but it won't be.
If it won't be, I'm 100% against it on that basis only.
Composite Guru said:
Mr Whippy said:
You're an idiot for thinking this is anything but a money grab for short-sighted profiteers while the country's real energy infrastructure needs go ignored.
Unless you have a vested interest in which case fair enough. It's at least nice to know you're either terminally stupid or a sellout.
Anything in this country revolves around profit. Renewable energy is not so why even bother making it work. Lets just destroy the world making profit. One thing to remember is, you cant eat money once the ground you relied on so much is contaminated. Unless you have a vested interest in which case fair enough. It's at least nice to know you're either terminally stupid or a sellout.
People do make profit from renewables and profits are a good thing, if nobody made a profit there would be no jobs, schools hospitals or even internet for you to spout rubbish on.
Fracking is virtually no different than any other oil and gas extraction, are you proposing that we stop using oil and gas? How are you going to fuel your car, cook your food or heat your house? We are not even close to the point where renewables can replace oil and gas as our primary energy source.
Oakey said:
"Overwhelmingly" don't want it Fred?
Comments on Blackpool Gazettes FB page about the fracking article - 1
Comments on the article about Smashburger opening - 30
In usual fashion, the Gazette have even reposted the article again because nobody has taken the bait after they posted it the first time 12 hours ago.
More people turned up to protest against the Oystons than they did about fracking and every weekend I see a bunch of sad bds stood outside the McDonalds on Cherry Tree Road with their anti fracking and "Honk if you support us" placards and for the most part people simply ignore them.
Yeah well Blackpool proper is a bit vacant of well considered opinion at the best of times, isn't it? And people in central Blackpool won't be massively effected - but I think if you asked most of the people down the length of the A583 and M55 to Kirkham and surrounding villages, the people who would really be effected then I'd bet the vast majority would prefer the fracking at Roseacre and Little Plumpton didn't go ahead, you can call it Nimbyism and that's probably what it is, but that's fair enough isn't it? Not to mention the well intention-ed do gooders of Lytham and the swamp donkeys over Wyre (who are well versed in this kind of debacle due to the Halite Gas storage row and subsequent corruption too) in the other direction. (We read the Garstang Courier or Evening Post, don't you know?)Comments on Blackpool Gazettes FB page about the fracking article - 1
Comments on the article about Smashburger opening - 30
In usual fashion, the Gazette have even reposted the article again because nobody has taken the bait after they posted it the first time 12 hours ago.
More people turned up to protest against the Oystons than they did about fracking and every weekend I see a bunch of sad b
ds stood outside the McDonalds on Cherry Tree Road with their anti fracking and "Honk if you support us" placards and for the most part people simply ignore them.Mr Whippy said:
Sadly these sad bds are just greeny hippies and don't really see what fracking represents.
The masses don't see what fracking represents because they'll be sold fracking is great on the promise of a bit of tax cut or wealth overspill, so they're happy for the scraps.
The reality is that it's a profiteering racket at the expense of everyone else for a few, which is exactly what it shouldn't be.
I've said it earlier in this thread, but I'd be 100% behind fracking in the UK if the spoils of the wealth went to investing in really good energy security and infrastructure for our future, but it won't be.
If it won't be, I'm 100% against it on that basis only.
What exactly is the problem with profit? Do you care about where the profit goes from the renewable energy industry? What about your own job? Or it is just the fossil fuel industry?ds are just greeny hippies and don't really see what fracking represents.The masses don't see what fracking represents because they'll be sold fracking is great on the promise of a bit of tax cut or wealth overspill, so they're happy for the scraps.
The reality is that it's a profiteering racket at the expense of everyone else for a few, which is exactly what it shouldn't be.
I've said it earlier in this thread, but I'd be 100% behind fracking in the UK if the spoils of the wealth went to investing in really good energy security and infrastructure for our future, but it won't be.
If it won't be, I'm 100% against it on that basis only.
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