Give us a fracking break!
Discussion
Oakey said:
I love how joyful she sounded when the police subdued the guy the wheel chair. It's like they couldn't wait for the police to impede him so that they could scream brutality. Oakey said:
It does make you wonder whether we're missing some kind of discussion forum in the UK. The Americans seem to do that; where a community gets together and hears both sides make their case. We seem more inclined to go from reading a Facebook meme to outraged protester with very little in between.
Maybe there should be a condition of protesting where you have to be able to answer 10 questions about the topic you're protesting. Fracking just seems to be one of those things where society has been subconsciously convinced its bad without really knowing why.
Gogoplata said:
Oakey said:
I love how joyful she sounded when the police subdued the guy the wheel chair. It's like they couldn't wait for the police to impede him so that they could scream brutality. 
....So this is it guys, get it on Nick, get it on Nick....yeeeeeeahCarefully staged.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nick had had a hand in the laying down of his wheelchair.
mybrainhurts said:
Gogoplata said:
Oakey said:
I love how joyful she sounded when the police subdued the guy the wheel chair. It's like they couldn't wait for the police to impede him so that they could scream brutality. ....So this is it guys, get it on Nick, get it on Nick....yeeeeeeahCarefully staged.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nick had had a hand in the laying down of his wheelchair.
I've been down that road. I've got caught up when that road ahs been closed off
the demonstrators are not what they were a while back. They are aggressive in your face raving unpleasant types of the lowest order
The road is one of the routes you take out of and into Blackpool. It is royally pissing people off and these morons seem to be in charge of the place.
the demonstrators are not what they were a while back. They are aggressive in your face raving unpleasant types of the lowest order
The road is one of the routes you take out of and into Blackpool. It is royally pissing people off and these morons seem to be in charge of the place.
I found this which is a reply to an article in the local Blackpool paper. It seems an honest reply and the writer is making the point that the campaign has been hijacked by Reclaim The Power and other non local groups
The article can be clicked on with the link below. The letter appears some way below. I have taken the unusual step of copying the letter because at the moment the moderation on that papers website is appalling . Whole threads of replies can be removed by simply reporting something you dont like. Instead of a reported reply being looked at they are simply removed
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/anti-fracke...
" After doing my own research and looking at information from both sides I decided to become anti fracking and have visited PNR a few times to find out for myself whats happening there and give support to the bona fide anti frackers. I trust the local PNR anti fracking community and any other community anti fracking groups such as those from Yorkshire at Kirby Misperton who have come along and joined in protecting and protesting. All lock ons prior to Reclaim the Power appearing, despite the misinformation published in the Gazette have been across the entrance. Towers have been built on the verge each side of the entrance. One demolished by Cuadrilla's contractor as soon as it became unoccupied. Since appearing Reclaim the Power have takenover and started to do lock ons on the highway giving the anti fracking movement bad press. IDBI2 makes a valid point about looking what the agenda of RTP is. This organisation is being massively funded who by? Is it an attempt to infiltrate and get control of the anti fracking movement like Lock the Gate did in Australia resulting in the mother frackings succeedingin destroying the environment. The evidence shown in the- documentary Voices from the Gasfiels in Queensland clearly shows that. The strength so far in the UK anti fracking movement has been in local community anti fracking groups such as at Boscombe, Barton Moss, PNR and Kirby Misperton who have acted autonomously and helped each other. There is is no hierarchy which makes it difficult for the corporates to infiltrate, divide and control. Like Greenpeace, RTP cannot be trusted, thats my opinion anyway. The only ones who can be trusted are ourselves and other local anti fracking groups. Ian R Crane who produced the Voices from the Gasfield documentary funded by himself has been a kingpin in the UK anti fracking movement encouraging the development of independent anti fracking local groups working together as one with a common goal. The residents of Lancashire have an individual responsibility to protect the local environment from harm and devastation not just for ourselves but future generations. So get yourself down to PNR and give Lancashire and the anti fracking local community some support against an abomination of an industry and their partners an anti democracy corporate serving government and corporate MSM with zero social conscience."
Read more at: http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/anti-fracke...
The article can be clicked on with the link below. The letter appears some way below. I have taken the unusual step of copying the letter because at the moment the moderation on that papers website is appalling . Whole threads of replies can be removed by simply reporting something you dont like. Instead of a reported reply being looked at they are simply removed
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/anti-fracke...
" After doing my own research and looking at information from both sides I decided to become anti fracking and have visited PNR a few times to find out for myself whats happening there and give support to the bona fide anti frackers. I trust the local PNR anti fracking community and any other community anti fracking groups such as those from Yorkshire at Kirby Misperton who have come along and joined in protecting and protesting. All lock ons prior to Reclaim the Power appearing, despite the misinformation published in the Gazette have been across the entrance. Towers have been built on the verge each side of the entrance. One demolished by Cuadrilla's contractor as soon as it became unoccupied. Since appearing Reclaim the Power have takenover and started to do lock ons on the highway giving the anti fracking movement bad press. IDBI2 makes a valid point about looking what the agenda of RTP is. This organisation is being massively funded who by? Is it an attempt to infiltrate and get control of the anti fracking movement like Lock the Gate did in Australia resulting in the mother frackings succeedingin destroying the environment. The evidence shown in the- documentary Voices from the Gasfiels in Queensland clearly shows that. The strength so far in the UK anti fracking movement has been in local community anti fracking groups such as at Boscombe, Barton Moss, PNR and Kirby Misperton who have acted autonomously and helped each other. There is is no hierarchy which makes it difficult for the corporates to infiltrate, divide and control. Like Greenpeace, RTP cannot be trusted, thats my opinion anyway. The only ones who can be trusted are ourselves and other local anti fracking groups. Ian R Crane who produced the Voices from the Gasfield documentary funded by himself has been a kingpin in the UK anti fracking movement encouraging the development of independent anti fracking local groups working together as one with a common goal. The residents of Lancashire have an individual responsibility to protect the local environment from harm and devastation not just for ourselves but future generations. So get yourself down to PNR and give Lancashire and the anti fracking local community some support against an abomination of an industry and their partners an anti democracy corporate serving government and corporate MSM with zero social conscience."
Read more at: http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/anti-fracke...
The colossal hypocrites in Holyrood have doubled down on their cant; it's quite all right to import unconventional gas from other places, just not produce it here. Our pretendy government is not capable of overseeing safe unconventional oil and gas exploration. Luddite anti-science morons.
hidetheelephants said:
The colossal hypocrites in Holyrood have doubled down on their cant; it's quite all right to import unconventional gas from other places, just not produce it here. Our pretendy government is not capable of overseeing safe unconventional oil and gas exploration. Luddite anti-science morons.
Politiking, because the SNP would be facing an early election if they had done anything else as the support of the Greens for their minority government would have instantly evaporated.Read the pronouncement of Energy Minister Paul Wheelhouse carefully and you will see the matter has just been kicked into the long grass. "Effectively a ban" (so no new legislation, just a continuation of the legally challengeable moratorium effected through planning refusals) and "there is no social licence for unconventional oil and gas to be taken forward at this time." So, allegedly bowing to the will of the people, not acting in their short-term self-interest (wouldn't dream of it), yet leaving the door open for a change of direction in future with the get-out that they backed the moratorium and it was the courts (and INEOS) to blame if it eventually get the legal go-ahead.
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/coal...
I still remember the sound of adulation resounding throughout the nation when Thatcher put a stop to this particular nonsense.
Curious bunch - the Scots.
I still remember the sound of adulation resounding throughout the nation when Thatcher put a stop to this particular nonsense.
Curious bunch - the Scots.
hidetheelephants said:
Ineos aren't going to waste money on an interminable legal challenge to poke holes in the central belt when there's large areas of England to poke holes in without such a burden. Hopefully they'll get on with it but I suspect they won't.
So yet more dependence on England.Cognitive dissonance anyone?
A quantity the government in Edinburgh specialise in; the response to the consultation, in common with all such things, is confined to those who give enough of a s
t to waste 10 minutes of their life wading through a tedious questionnaire and thus self-selecting. The vast majority of the 60k odd responses came from petitions or cut-and-paste boilerplate from lobby groups like Greenpeas, only 3k(I was one) bothered to actually write their own words on the subject. Behold this quality submission, others major on utter piffle like the debunked 'flaming tap' sequence; uninformed opinion is not a sound basis for legislation.
It's worthless, a better idea of public opinion would be obtained by bunging YouGov a cheque for a survey. The BEIS's most recent opinion poll( August 3rd) shows 51% don't care or don't know enough to offer an opinion, 16% in favour and 33% against.
t to waste 10 minutes of their life wading through a tedious questionnaire and thus self-selecting. The vast majority of the 60k odd responses came from petitions or cut-and-paste boilerplate from lobby groups like Greenpeas, only 3k(I was one) bothered to actually write their own words on the subject. Behold this quality submission, others major on utter piffle like the debunked 'flaming tap' sequence; uninformed opinion is not a sound basis for legislation.It's worthless, a better idea of public opinion would be obtained by bunging YouGov a cheque for a survey. The BEIS's most recent opinion poll( August 3rd) shows 51% don't care or don't know enough to offer an opinion, 16% in favour and 33% against.
Edited by hidetheelephants on Wednesday 4th October 22:36
ZOMG! Fake news! Government conspiracy to cover up the evils of fracking!
Or in dull reality a report telling us what we already know; economic activity creates air pollution, it doesn't really matter whether it's a wind farm or a fracked gas well there will be trucks carting things to and fro and generators running on construction sites, plus the small amount of hydrocarbon release that is an inevitable consequence of drilling for oil and gas.
Or in dull reality a report telling us what we already know; economic activity creates air pollution, it doesn't really matter whether it's a wind farm or a fracked gas well there will be trucks carting things to and fro and generators running on construction sites, plus the small amount of hydrocarbon release that is an inevitable consequence of drilling for oil and gas.
Things aren’t looking good for fracking according to the government’s former fracking tsar.
guardian said:
Natascha Engel told the business secretary, Greg Clark, that developing the industry would be “an impossible task” despite its “enormous potential”. In her resignation letter, she said environmental activists had been “highly successful” in encouraging the government to curb fracking.
She wrote: “A perfectly viable and exciting new industry that could help meet our carbon reduction targets, make us energy secure and provide jobs in parts of the country that really need them is in danger of withering on the vine – not for any technical or safety reasons, but because of a political decision.”
Engel complained that a traffic light system that halts fracking when a tremor with a magnitude of 0.5 is recorded “amounts to a de facto ban”.
“The UK could be on the cusp of an energy revolution the like of which we have not seen since the discovery of North Sea oil and gas,” she wrote
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/28/fracking-tsar-quits-after-six-months-and-blames-eco-activistsShe wrote: “A perfectly viable and exciting new industry that could help meet our carbon reduction targets, make us energy secure and provide jobs in parts of the country that really need them is in danger of withering on the vine – not for any technical or safety reasons, but because of a political decision.”
Engel complained that a traffic light system that halts fracking when a tremor with a magnitude of 0.5 is recorded “amounts to a de facto ban”.
“The UK could be on the cusp of an energy revolution the like of which we have not seen since the discovery of North Sea oil and gas,” she wrote
BlackLabel said:
Bonkers. Instead of using our own reserves we have to import it from the Middle East instead. Crazy not to use this resource.Iamnotkloot said:
BlackLabel said:
Bonkers. Instead of using our own reserves we have to import it from the Middle East instead. Crazy not to use this resource.Iamnotkloot said:
BlackLabel said:
Bonkers. Instead of using our own reserves we have to import it from the Middle East instead. Crazy not to use this resource.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff