Give us a fracking break!
Discussion
Apache said:
A very good question, it can't all be laid at the door of the Greens can it? or could it be more to do with a lot of money invested in the green industry by a lot of decision makers?
It seems to this layman that environmental NGOs have leverage with Western governments quite unheard of in the past. In the case of so many environmental issues, the activist tail wags the dog. And there seems to be absolutely nothing any can do about it.You have to hand it to these activists, they've played a blinding hand.
Ross1988 said:
Worth it imo opinion. Even 16 years of energy independence could do wonders for our economy. I'd like to think they would invest in nuclear power for base load, so we won't have to rely on other countries supplies
I agree.But will the independence and associated wealth just be used to do some short-term stuff to appeal to voters and lining pockets, or will it really be spent investing in our long-term energy future (ie, sustainable stuff, not just subsidising more wind stuff)
I can't see a problem with fracking if it's used for a long-term energy vision, the short-term costs will give us long-term benefits.
I'm easy either way, build away. It only makes land values go higher and higher
The anti fracking protesters at Barton Moss have run out of gas.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Apparently it's the governments fault for not inventing solar cookers or something.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Apparently it's the governments fault for not inventing solar cookers or something.
some nutter said:
“If government policy had been geared toward renewable energy I could be using a solar cooker now but I’m not.”
Amazing just how much money has been and continues to be pissed up the wall on solar and wind yet it's still not enough for these people.jurbie said:
The anti fracking protesters at Barton Moss have run out of gas.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Apparently it's the governments fault for not inventing solar cookers or something.
It should really read;http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Apparently it's the governments fault for not inventing solar cookers or something.
some nutter said:
“If government policy had been geared toward renewable energy I could be using a solar cooker now but I’m not.”
Amazing just how much money has been and continues to be pissed up the wall on solar and wind yet it's still not enough for these people.some nutter said:
“If government policy had been geared toward renewable energyI got off my arse, bought a solar cooker and got on a jet to somewhere sunny enough for it to work, I could be using a solar cooker now but I’m not because I can't think for myself and need a paternalistic government to metaphorically wipe my bottom, except where it involves forcing me to do stuff I don't like.”
The stupid live among us; I particularly like these gems, mainly because they're utter nonsense.Notar Obot said:
Up to 600 chemicals are used in fracking fluid, including known carcinogens and toxins such as…uranium, mercury, methanol and formaldehyde.
Colin Gong said:
SENSIBLE - drill into the earth , smash up a whole layer of it with some of the highest explosives known to man , then fill it with toxic chemicals that will mainly stay there , the effect of which in 50 years time no one on earth has any clue about ???????... oh yeah , thats really sensible !
hidetheelephants said:
jurbie said:
The anti fracking protesters at Barton Moss have run out of gas.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Apparently it's the governments fault for not inventing solar cookers or something.
It should really read;http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Apparently it's the governments fault for not inventing solar cookers or something.
some nutter said:
“If government policy had been geared toward renewable energy I could be using a solar cooker now but I’m not.”
Amazing just how much money has been and continues to be pissed up the wall on solar and wind yet it's still not enough for these people.some nutter said:
“If government policy had been geared toward renewable energyI got off my arse, bought a solar cooker and got on a jet to somewhere sunny enough for it to work, I could be using a solar cooker now but I’m not because I can't think for myself and need a paternalistic government to metaphorically wipe my bottom, except where it involves forcing me to do stuff I don't like.”
The stupid live among us; I particularly like these gems, mainly because they're utter nonsense.Notar Obot said:
Up to 600 chemicals are used in fracking fluid, including known carcinogens and toxins such as…uranium, mercury, methanol and formaldehyde.
Colin Gong said:
SENSIBLE - drill into the earth , smash up a whole layer of it with some of the highest explosives known to man , then fill it with toxic chemicals that will mainly stay there , the effect of which in 50 years time no one on earth has any clue about ???????... oh yeah , thats really sensible !
In the end it's good that they are there. They keep rampant capitalist environment smashing business in check.
If the frackers didn't have everyone watching them they'd be doing it cheaper and messier and wouldn't care about the environmental consequences.
I'm still a bit upset that as a country we haven't taken the economic windfall fracking gas will provide and set it aside for investing in our long-term energy future. It's looking like it's just going to be a short-term money grab for all those involved and screw the next generation we've all been pumping out for the last decade, they'll have to deal with the energy problems in their middle age themselves.
If the frackers didn't have everyone watching them they'd be doing it cheaper and messier and wouldn't care about the environmental consequences.
I'm still a bit upset that as a country we haven't taken the economic windfall fracking gas will provide and set it aside for investing in our long-term energy future. It's looking like it's just going to be a short-term money grab for all those involved and screw the next generation we've all been pumping out for the last decade, they'll have to deal with the energy problems in their middle age themselves.
Mr Whippy said:
In the end it's good that they are there. They keep rampant capitalist environment smashing business in check.
If the frackers didn't have everyone watching them they'd be doing it cheaper and messier and wouldn't care about the environmental consequences.
I'm still a bit upset that as a country we haven't taken the economic windfall fracking gas will provide and set it aside for investing in our long-term energy future. It's looking like it's just going to be a short-term money grab for all those involved and screw the next generation we've all been pumping out for the last decade, they'll have to deal with the energy problems in their middle age themselves.
I think your first assumption is naive and the second incomprehensible; anti-frackers or no anti-frackers, the companies drilling holes are subject to the same oversight by the DECC and the HSE. Quite what extra vigilance having soapdodgers and windowlickers living in smelly tents outside the drill site is going to make is not clear to me.If the frackers didn't have everyone watching them they'd be doing it cheaper and messier and wouldn't care about the environmental consequences.
I'm still a bit upset that as a country we haven't taken the economic windfall fracking gas will provide and set it aside for investing in our long-term energy future. It's looking like it's just going to be a short-term money grab for all those involved and screw the next generation we've all been pumping out for the last decade, they'll have to deal with the energy problems in their middle age themselves.
There's no shale gas being produced and we are a long way from the first production, so there's no windfall to be had; once the gas is flowing the government(and the locals) benefit immediately from royalty payments.
hidetheelephants said:
Mr Whippy said:
In the end it's good that they are there. They keep rampant capitalist environment smashing business in check.
If the frackers didn't have everyone watching them they'd be doing it cheaper and messier and wouldn't care about the environmental consequences.
I'm still a bit upset that as a country we haven't taken the economic windfall fracking gas will provide and set it aside for investing in our long-term energy future. It's looking like it's just going to be a short-term money grab for all those involved and screw the next generation we've all been pumping out for the last decade, they'll have to deal with the energy problems in their middle age themselves.
I think your first assumption is naive and the second incomprehensible; anti-frackers or no anti-frackers, the companies drilling holes are subject to the same oversight by the DECC and the HSE. Quite what extra vigilance having soapdodgers and windowlickers living in smelly tents outside the drill site is going to make is not clear to me.If the frackers didn't have everyone watching them they'd be doing it cheaper and messier and wouldn't care about the environmental consequences.
I'm still a bit upset that as a country we haven't taken the economic windfall fracking gas will provide and set it aside for investing in our long-term energy future. It's looking like it's just going to be a short-term money grab for all those involved and screw the next generation we've all been pumping out for the last decade, they'll have to deal with the energy problems in their middle age themselves.
There's no shale gas being produced and we are a long way from the first production, so there's no windfall to be had; once the gas is flowing the government(and the locals) benefit immediately from royalty payments.
hidetheelephants said:
Mr Whippy said:
In the end it's good that they are there. They keep rampant capitalist environment smashing business in check.
If the frackers didn't have everyone watching them they'd be doing it cheaper and messier and wouldn't care about the environmental consequences.
I'm still a bit upset that as a country we haven't taken the economic windfall fracking gas will provide and set it aside for investing in our long-term energy future. It's looking like it's just going to be a short-term money grab for all those involved and screw the next generation we've all been pumping out for the last decade, they'll have to deal with the energy problems in their middle age themselves.
I think your first assumption is naive and the second incomprehensible; anti-frackers or no anti-frackers, the companies drilling holes are subject to the same oversight by the DECC and the HSE. Quite what extra vigilance having soapdodgers and windowlickers living in smelly tents outside the drill site is going to make is not clear to me.If the frackers didn't have everyone watching them they'd be doing it cheaper and messier and wouldn't care about the environmental consequences.
I'm still a bit upset that as a country we haven't taken the economic windfall fracking gas will provide and set it aside for investing in our long-term energy future. It's looking like it's just going to be a short-term money grab for all those involved and screw the next generation we've all been pumping out for the last decade, they'll have to deal with the energy problems in their middle age themselves.
There's no shale gas being produced and we are a long way from the first production, so there's no windfall to be had; once the gas is flowing the government(and the locals) benefit immediately from royalty payments.
And it's not incomprehensible to think that a portion of the money that will eventually benefit the government/locals and those receiving royalty payments couldn't also be ring-fenced for re-investment in future sustainable energy resource developments (not just subsidising crap like wind of course)
I just want something for the future generations to benefit from, from a little financial sacrifice from our generation.
We are more than happy to pump kids out but then we don't seem to give a crap about providing a nice future for them.
In the end I don't care too much. From my perspective it's win win whatever we do. Fracking, land values go up. More houses, land values go up. Economic turd storm, land values go up. Population increases, land values go up. Minerals under your land, values go up.
Short-termism, you can't beat it if you are motivated purely by greed.
Lords: Fracking should be 'urgent priority' for UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27312796
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27312796
Article said:
Regulated fracking should be an "urgent national priority", an influential group of Lords has said.
Shale gas can bring "substantial benefits" to "the economy, to national energy security and to the environment", the Lords committee said.
Green campaigners have said that the Lords "cherry-picked" evidence for the report and have engaged in "taxpayer-funded cheerleading" for fracking.
The UK should focus on renewable energy instead of shale gas, campaigners said.
The House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee called on the UK government to speed up shale gas development in the country.
There are "substantial shale gas and oil resources" and "exploration and appraisal is urgently needed to establish their economic potential," the committee said.
The group of peers is "disappointed" that the exploratory drilling with hydraulic fracturing needed for shale gas development "has hardly begun".
The committee called for simplified regulation of shale oil and gas exploration "to encourage development of shale and reassure communities that risks of harm to the environment or human health are low".
Shale gas can bring "substantial benefits" to "the economy, to national energy security and to the environment", the Lords committee said.
Green campaigners have said that the Lords "cherry-picked" evidence for the report and have engaged in "taxpayer-funded cheerleading" for fracking.
The UK should focus on renewable energy instead of shale gas, campaigners said.
The House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee called on the UK government to speed up shale gas development in the country.
There are "substantial shale gas and oil resources" and "exploration and appraisal is urgently needed to establish their economic potential," the committee said.
The group of peers is "disappointed" that the exploratory drilling with hydraulic fracturing needed for shale gas development "has hardly begun".
The committee called for simplified regulation of shale oil and gas exploration "to encourage development of shale and reassure communities that risks of harm to the environment or human health are low".
Interesting, perhaps a tad treasonous?
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2014/5/22/celebrit...
"Celebrity greens inflagrante
DateMay 22, 2014
CategoryEnergy: gas CategoryGreens
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2014/5/22/celebrit...
"Celebrity greens inflagrante
DateMay 22, 2014
CategoryEnergy: gas CategoryGreens
Bishop Hill said:
There is much amusement to be had from the news that a group of US celebrity greens have been caught accepting covert funding for their anti-fracking movie from someone they believed to be seeking to end US energy independence. Unfortunately for them it was a sting.
Oops.
You need to watch the accompanying vid...Oops.
Edited by chris watton on Thursday 22 May 11:54
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27529175
BBC report this afternoon said:
A government report into how much oil is in shale rocks in the Weald region of southern England will be published on Friday, the BBC understands.
The official report, undertaken by the British Geological Survey (BGS), covers an area that includes parts of Sussex, Hampshire and Kent.
The study will say that there are many billions barrels of oil in place.
But getting it out of the ground will involve the controversial process known as fracking.
Last year, a BGS study of the North of England suggested there could be as much as 1,300 trillion cubic feet of gas contained in shale rocks.
The official report, undertaken by the British Geological Survey (BGS), covers an area that includes parts of Sussex, Hampshire and Kent.
The study will say that there are many billions barrels of oil in place.
But getting it out of the ground will involve the controversial process known as fracking.
Last year, a BGS study of the North of England suggested there could be as much as 1,300 trillion cubic feet of gas contained in shale rocks.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uokmsSi7LTY&featu...
Fracking; an Inconvenient Truth
Anyone watched this? Is it total b
ks?
Fracking; an Inconvenient Truth
Anyone watched this? Is it total b
ks?Andy Zarse said:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uokmsSi7LTY&featu...
Fracking; an Inconvenient Truth
Anyone watched this? Is it total bks?
Yes and no.Fracking; an Inconvenient Truth
Anyone watched this? Is it total b
ks?It shows everything that can possibly go wrong actually going wrong.
Frac fluid doesn't have to be returned to poorly lined pits. It can go back to tanks. Obviously, these cost more money than a hole in the ground so if the well is done "on the cheap", and that happens in the USA with smaller companies, then it becomes an issue.
Same with the cement job on the casing. If it's done effectively and properly evaluated, then there won't be a problem.
These types of video insinuate that problems like this WILL happen on every well. Of course, they won't but might happen on some wells.
It all depends of measures and regulations put in place to stop it occurring.
So the bidding for the Fracking licenses starts today.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28513036
My Facebook feed has become full of people vexing tales of environmental doom and that it's the Tories fault because it's only the friends of the Tories who will benefit financially from "Selling our countryside" etc
I'd much rather have a Fracking site in a National Park than a Wind farm.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28513036
My Facebook feed has become full of people vexing tales of environmental doom and that it's the Tories fault because it's only the friends of the Tories who will benefit financially from "Selling our countryside" etc
I'd much rather have a Fracking site in a National Park than a Wind farm.
jmorgan said:
Rather have neither in a national park much the same as I do not want to see the Severn estuary damed up.
Somehow I cannot help but think the benefits will go off shore. I know, real world and all that.
How? The revenues will be taxed and that goes to the treasury. The rest goes to the shareholders of whichever company extracts the oil and gas, just the same as in the North Sea and every other oil or gas field; many of those shareholders will be the pension funds who look after your pension if you have one. Why would this be different?Somehow I cannot help but think the benefits will go off shore. I know, real world and all that.
hidetheelephants said:
jmorgan said:
Rather have neither in a national park much the same as I do not want to see the Severn estuary damed up.
Somehow I cannot help but think the benefits will go off shore. I know, real world and all that.
How? The revenues will be taxed and that goes to the treasury. The rest goes to the shareholders of whichever company extracts the oil and gas, just the same as in the North Sea and every other oil or gas field; many of those shareholders will be the pension funds who look after your pension if you have one. Why would this be different?Somehow I cannot help but think the benefits will go off shore. I know, real world and all that.
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