Give us a fracking break!
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Does no one ever start petitions in support of these things? One of my facebook "friends" is anti fracking and is currently posting regularly about all these antifracking events & pictures from the protest camp at our first bore hole site (supported by 100's, although there never seems to be that many in the pictures, which is a small percentage of the local residents never mind the country as a whole).
ooo000ooo said:
Does no one ever start petitions in support of these things? One of my facebook "friends" is anti fracking and is currently posting regularly about all these antifracking events & pictures from the protest camp at our first bore hole site (supported by 100's, although there never seems to be that many in the pictures, which is a small percentage of the local residents never mind the country as a whole).
I'm seeing the same thing - lot's of Anti Fracking Facebook pages but no pro fracking. http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/community/e...
Paffard went to Oxford Uni, lives in London and is currently advertising on her Facebook a room in their London house for just £611 a month! Down with the common people they most certainly are not!
Article said:
A campaign group set to camp near Blackpool as part of an anti- fracking protest may demonstrate outside town centre businesses.
Members of No Dash For Gas – an organisation of activists and campaigners which is to stage a Reclaim the Power action camp on the Fylde coast next week – spoke to fracking campaigners and residents about the plans for the event, which begins next Thursday.
After a period of setting up, the group, which is expected to bring up to 1,000 campaigners to the area, will host seminars and information events on its campsite before ‘action days’ on Sunday and Monday
No Dash For Gas’ Danni Paffard said the business community could be “targeted” during a day of action.
Another rent a mob consisting mostly of privileged, middle class arsewipes coming in to 'protest'.Members of No Dash For Gas – an organisation of activists and campaigners which is to stage a Reclaim the Power action camp on the Fylde coast next week – spoke to fracking campaigners and residents about the plans for the event, which begins next Thursday.
After a period of setting up, the group, which is expected to bring up to 1,000 campaigners to the area, will host seminars and information events on its campsite before ‘action days’ on Sunday and Monday
No Dash For Gas’ Danni Paffard said the business community could be “targeted” during a day of action.
Paffard went to Oxford Uni, lives in London and is currently advertising on her Facebook a room in their London house for just £611 a month! Down with the common people they most certainly are not!
So I was just looking on the Facebook page of the anti-frackers that are currently protesting and spotted this rather (un)environmentally friendly fail;
You have to laugh at the cognitive dissonance between supposedly being concerned about the environment whilst rolling around in a Porsche Cayenne.
You have to laugh at the cognitive dissonance between supposedly being concerned about the environment whilst rolling around in a Porsche Cayenne.
Oakey said:
So I was just looking on the Facebook page of the anti-frackers that are currently protesting and spotted this rather (un)environmentally friendly fail;
You have to laugh at the cognitive dissonance between supposedly being concerned about the environment whilst rolling around in a Porsche Cayenne.
It's probably a lot greener than an old mk2 Landie or VW camper though..... besides why should having a nice car and wanting clean, unadulterated drinking water be mutually exclusive?You have to laugh at the cognitive dissonance between supposedly being concerned about the environment whilst rolling around in a Porsche Cayenne.
pcvdriver said:
It's probably a lot greener than an old mk2 Landie or VW camper though..... besides why should having a nice car and wanting clean, unadulterated drinking water be mutually exclusive?
For the same crackpot reason that some people think natural gas extraction and wanting clean, unadulterated drinking water is mutually exclusive!And by the way - how unadulterated do you think drinking water actually is?
pcvdriver said:
Now you're just being silly.....besides, let me refer to my main point above - what makes owning a nice car mutually exclusive to wanting unadulterated drinking water?
Their arguments against fracking aren't just about water, it's that it's a fossil fuel and that we should be reducing emissions to stop climate change and using renewables. If that's your concern you should be leading by example such as driving an economical car otherwise it's hypocritical to expect everyone else to drive the 1.0l s
tboxes whilst you drive 4.0l 4x4. Not to mention that someone who can afford a Cayenne probably doesn't have to worry so much about increasing energy prices as a result of stupid climate policies.Oakey said:
pcvdriver said:
Now you're just being silly.....besides, let me refer to my main point above - what makes owning a nice car mutually exclusive to wanting unadulterated drinking water?
Their arguments against fracking aren't just about water, it's that it's a fossil fuel and that we should be reducing emissions to stop climate change and using renewables. If that's your concern you should be leading by example such as driving an economical car otherwise it's hypocritical to expect everyone else to drive the 1.0l stboxes whilst you drive 4.0l 4x4. Not to mention that someone who can afford a Cayenne probably doesn't have to worry so much about increasing energy prices as a result of stupid climate policies.t!!!Olf said:
pcvdriver said:
It's probably a lot greener than an old mk2 Landie or VW camper though..... besides why should having a nice car and wanting clean, unadulterated drinking water be mutually exclusive?
For the same crackpot reason that some people think natural gas extraction and wanting clean, unadulterated drinking water is mutually exclusive!And by the way - how unadulterated do you think drinking water actually is?
k I don't live in London, or have to......Olf said:
pcvdriver said:
It's probably a lot greener than an old mk2 Landie or VW camper though..... besides why should having a nice car and wanting clean, unadulterated drinking water be mutually exclusive?
For the same crackpot reason that some people think natural gas extraction and wanting clean, unadulterated drinking water is mutually exclusive!And by the way - how unadulterated do you think drinking water actually is?
You can see their pov.
I'm still more than happy with fracking, but every penny the 'UK' makes from allowing it needs to go towards sustainable energy for the long-term future.
If instead this is just a get rich quick opportunity for a few, with slightly cheaper energy for a generation, and nothing more, then they can frack off.
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Olf said:
pcvdriver said:
It's probably a lot greener than an old mk2 Landie or VW camper though..... besides why should having a nice car and wanting clean, unadulterated drinking water be mutually exclusive?
For the same crackpot reason that some people think natural gas extraction and wanting clean, unadulterated drinking water is mutually exclusive!And by the way - how unadulterated do you think drinking water actually is?
You can see their pov.
Report of a British Geological Survey and Environment Agency study said:
The study highlights where the rock layers may be too close to the aquifers for fracking to go ahead.
It finds that the Bowland Shale in northern England - the first to be investigated for shale gas potential - runs below no fewer than six major aquifers. However, the study also says that almost all of this geological formation - 92% of it - is at least 800m below the water-bearing rocks.
Industry officials have always argued that a separation of that size between a shale layer and an aquifer should make any contamination virtually impossible.
Fracking has been taking place in the USA for decades, currently there are no reports of deaths from water poisining or burning to death from dometic water taps that were turned into flamethrowers. There are more prevalent risks to workers from inadequately stored hydrocarbons and recovered (not lost) fracking fluids, though fracking fluid is typically 99.5% water and sand, and although these workplace risks are also low in wider industry terms, the response has been to improve procedures and training rather than ban fracking. Any ban would be an emotional response rather than a rational one.It finds that the Bowland Shale in northern England - the first to be investigated for shale gas potential - runs below no fewer than six major aquifers. However, the study also says that almost all of this geological formation - 92% of it - is at least 800m below the water-bearing rocks.
Industry officials have always argued that a separation of that size between a shale layer and an aquifer should make any contamination virtually impossible.
Another report on fracking and aquifers said:
The total number (of aquifers) that has been found to be polluted by either fracking fluid or methane gas as a result of fracking in the United States is zero. Allegation after allegation has been found to be untrue. The Environmental Protection Agency closed its investigation at Dimock, Pennsylvania, concluding there was no evidence of contamination, abandoned its claim that drilling in Parker County, Texas, had caused methane gas to come out of people’s taps, and withdrew its allegations of water contamination at Pavilion, Wyoming, for lack of evidence. Two recent peer-reviewed studies concluded that groundwater contamination from fracking is “not physically plausible”.
Walking on the street and being hit by aircraft parts or space debris doesn't keep people indoors, which is just as well given that there are over 4000 UK deaths each year from accidents in the home.Mr Whippy said:
I'm still more than happy with fracking, but every penny the 'UK' makes from allowing it needs to go towards sustainable energy for the long-term future.
That's a fantasy, it'll pay down debt and feed welfare first. More funding for fusion research would be a great idea but our muppets in parliament are currently wasting hundreds of billions of GBP on windymills so the chance of a sensible decision is remote. Even then if controlled fusion came online, political excuses for taxing energy production/use and bleeding enterprise dry while advocating poverty over consumption would vanish in an instant, they wouldn't want that.Mr Whippy said:
If instead this is just a get rich quick opportunity for a few, with slightly cheaper energy for a generation, and nothing more, then they can frack off.
In the wider context, a 2013 EIA estimate of the total global reserves of shale oil and gas gave the following numbers.Shale oil 345 billion barrels
Shale gas 7.3 trillion cubic feet
These are almost certainly under-estimates as of 2014. The current crude oil production rate is about 80 million barrels per day globally (also from EIA).
There's time to develop controlled fusion. The only barriers are political incompetence and general public gullibility when it comes to green information pollution.
pcvdriver said:
It all depends om the levels of/amounts/toxicity of the pollutants involved doesn't it? Let's not pretend it's all nicey, nicey, wouldn't harm a cuddly seal pup type of stuff now.
Not pretendinghttp://www.cuadrillaresources.com/what-we-do/hydra...
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