Give us a fracking break!

[Oakey]

Negative Creep said:

Wouldn't it be hilarious if everyone carried on working and pretending they just weren't there?

Caudrilla took the day off, they weren't even there. They were protesting an empty office. Did I mention they barricaded themselves inside Blackpool Chamber of Commerce rather than Caudrilla who rent the first floor?

[hidetheelephants]

Ineos want to get on with it, but the usual suspects are mithering about 'fracking poisoning our water and murdering our children! OMG!'.

[RobinBanks]

Negative Creep said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Oakey said:

Apparently the anti-frackers have superglued themselves to DEFRA HQ.

Are we allowed to draw on them?

Wouldn't it be hilarious if everyone carried on working and pretending they just weren't there?

Why do people not do this when someone is protesting at their workplace?

Years ago someone was fired from work for stealing and came back the next day and proclaimed that he was going to sit in a deck chair in the car park until he got some kind of payment.

Eventually he sat there until he got bored and went home.

[Jimbeaux]

McWigglebum4th said:

First fracking = 1947

So it is impossible for any methane to turn up in ground water before 1947


So a well dug in 1910 can't possible have methane in the water then

can it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkDnP40sCPM

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM8XQ8_The_Famo...


But PCV is a scotnat who don't deal well with facts

There are stories here in Louisiana of water being ignited as far back as 1885. These anti-frackers brought up the water being lit out of the tap only to be presented with old newspaper archives showing the same thing. You were speaking of facts I believe.

[Du1point8]

Jimbeaux said:

McWigglebum4th said:

First fracking = 1947

So it is impossible for any methane to turn up in ground water before 1947


So a well dug in 1910 can't possible have methane in the water then

can it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkDnP40sCPM

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM8XQ8_The_Famo...


But PCV is a scotnat who don't deal well with facts

There are stories here in Louisiana of water being ignited as far back as 1885. These anti-frackers brought up the water being lit out of the tap only to be presented with old newspaper archives showing the same thing. You were speaking of facts I believe.

The burning tap that was the fault of the well owner drilling into a gas chamber and blaming the frackers, that burning tap water?

[Jimbeaux]

Du1point8 said:

Jimbeaux said:

McWigglebum4th said:

First fracking = 1947

So it is impossible for any methane to turn up in ground water before 1947


So a well dug in 1910 can't possible have methane in the water then

can it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkDnP40sCPM

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM8XQ8_The_Famo...


But PCV is a scotnat who don't deal well with facts

There are stories here in Louisiana of water being ignited as far back as 1885. These anti-frackers brought up the water being lit out of the tap only to be presented with old newspaper archives showing the same thing. You were speaking of facts I believe.

The burning tap that was the fault of the well owner drilling into a gas chamber and blaming the frackers, that burning tap water?

Not sure of each instance but it was widespread; indicative of methane likely being present in the well water naturally I suppose. Newspaper archives mention instances back to 1885.

[hidetheelephants]

Good to see a balanced view being presented by the BBC 'news'; the watermelons getting to spout their bks unchallenged about fracking and lobbying for a total ban in Scotland, but fortunately it would appear from what Swinney said that's not likely.

[rovermorris999]

Some sense at last
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-308958...

[Russ35]

County planners up here on the Fylde are recommending that 2 sites that Cuadrilla want should be refused. It goes before the council on the 28th.

They are concerned about night time noise levels at both sites. Properties mentioned on the Preston New Road site are right by the A583 which was the main road between Blackpool, Kirkham and Preston before the M55 was built and is still a busy road.

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/business/lo...

[McWigglebum4th]

Russ35 said:

County planners up here on the Fylde are recommending that 2 sites that Cuadrilla want should be refused. It goes before the council on the 28th.

They are concerned about night time noise levels at both sites. Properties mentioned on the Preston New Road site are right by the A583 which was the main road between Blackpool, Kirkham and Preston before the M55 was built and is still a busy road.

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/business/lo...

The noise is during the drilling and fracking

once they are up and running they make diddle all noise


Unlike a wind turbine which makes lots of noise during construction and still makes noise once it is running



Anyone know what uses more concrete a wind turbine or a oil well?

[TwoLeadFeet]

The planning documents are here http://council.lancashire.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=2782...

Appendix 13 covers the noise assessment. The National Planning Practice Guidance: Minerals says noise limits should not exceed the background noise level by more than 10dB(A), at night-time these have been measured as low as 29.5dB at one nearby property and 26dB at another, the predicted increase will be 12.5dB, so outside the guidelines.

However, given the proximity of the M55 it seems likely the measured background noise levels were infrequent events and a higher level is more commonplace, surprised if Cuadrilla haven't got (or will get) some long term readings to get an average, and then show the increase in noise at site would be within the guidelines.

Also Fylde Borough Council's Environmental Health Team have decided to set their own limits which are an increase of only 5dB against background noise, expect Cuadrilla will appeal that.

There are some barmy objections to this in Appendix 2, including "Burning shale gas is as bad as burning coal", "Renewables guarantee to provide energy" and (my favourite) "Methane is highly flammable"

[McWigglebum4th]

I bet if you said you wanted to open a coal mine they would be over the moon

[turbobloke]

"Renewables guarantee to provide energy"

[Oakey]

turbobloke said:

"Renewables guarantee to provide energy"

Of course what this ignores is that the residents of St Michaels on Wyre are objecting to the proposal of wind turbines in the area!

The anti-frackers like to conveniently ignore this opposition funnily enough.

[FredClogs]

I live very close to the Roseacre Wood Cuadrilla site, the reason the County Council planning officer's recommendation in our case was about the roads, and to be fair (and I've been the subject of much propaganda and nonsense from both sides of this and will be personally effected by a decision either way I think) he's correct in this observation. The roads around that site are simply not suitable for the amount of traffic and HGVs Cuadrilla suggest they will be using them for.

Rumors are abound locally as to what this will mean and how Cuadrilla will work around it, unfortunately I think it's inevitable that Cuadrilla will end up developing this site, rumors are that they want to purchase part of HMS Inskip to build roads on and develop, who knows...

[TwoLeadFeet]

Looking at streetview, the proposed traffic route to the Roseacre site does look difficult through the existing lanes.

Makes me wonder if building temporary westbound-off / eastbound-on ramps onto the M55 just south of the site to connect onto one of the lanes leading north to the site might be a way of getting round the problem? Minimises the use of small country lanes and avoids most properties on the current route.

I'm thinking just piles of earth & hardcore, nothing fancy.

Getting lots of HGV movements to remote rural locations is one of the many challenges the fracking industry faces in the UK.

[McWigglebum4th]

But for some reason it is never mentioned when wind turbines are put up

[fttm]

This is fracking . Company I work for are on a job in Northern Alberta , the project requires 800,000 cubic meters of liquid nitrogen (40 semi trailers)per day , for 15 months !!!!!!
Sometime in early 2016 I expect half of Canada to cave in .

[TwoLeadFeet]

McWigglebum4th said:

But for some reason it is never mentioned when wind turbines are put up

True. Are the HGV movements for a windmill eyesore comparable with a frack site?

Edited by TwoLeadFeet on Thursday 22 January 15:36

[FredClogs]

McWigglebum4th said:

But for some reason it is never mentioned when wind turbines are put up

The traffic issues involved with the site (as I understand) aren't just about the initial build phase. The flow back hydraulic fluid will be stored locally at the perimeter of the site but will need to be removed from site, Cuadrilla have proposed since the original consultation a 20% reuse but even with this there is many thousands of liters a day which will need to be removed from site to be treated. And of course if the well is successful and viable then the gas will need to be removed from the site - one would assume this will be a quite sizable and require a pipeline to a site nearby or a lot of HGVs coming and going.

I want this to happen, I'm not anti at all and find some of the opinions and actions of the local antis risible, but I also have young kids and live in a nice quiet rural village that I don't particularly want to move from, Cuadrilla are making noises about being good neighbors and have offered to do work on sections of road and give the community over £400k in cash, it's a really tough decision.