Give us a fracking break!

[Andy Zarse]

DJRC said:

rolando said:

Nail well and truly hit on the head.

Except Preston is a Roman town, but apart from that - well done

So was Wroxeter, it was the fourth largest city in Roman Britain. I don't think they have even got a pub now...

[DJRC]

johnxjsc1985 said:

DJRC said:

Except Preston is a Roman town, but apart from that - well done

plenty of Roman settlements that without the age of coal and steam would no longer exist.

But Preston wouldn't be one, given that it's main context was textiles and inland point of delivery for the fishing industry out of Fleetwood. It was a commercial hub point long before steam and coal.

Pick Blackpool, it's a better argument for you. Preston is entirely the wrong town.

[Halb]

Oakey said:

I drink your milkshake, I drink it up!

[FredClogs]

DJRC said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

DJRC said:

Except Preston is a Roman town, but apart from that - well done

plenty of Roman settlements that without the age of coal and steam would no longer exist.

But Preston wouldn't be one, given that it's main context was textiles and inland point of delivery for the fishing industry out of Fleetwood. It was a commercial hub point long before steam and coal.

Pick Blackpool, it's a better argument for you. Preston is entirely the wrong town.

I'm surprised in the decision to reject the Preston road site, last week we were told it was 7 against 7 and the committee chair was in favour, they ended up voting 10 to 4. Cuadrilla have promised legal action and I'm sure they will but the reaction now of central government is going to be most interesting. They tried after the lifting of the moratorium to wash their hands of any responsibility and bribe local authorities into carrying the can, it looks as if local authorities have the democratic wishes of local people at heart, something people in Westminster must be quite stunned my! This has only just started but Cameron has got some pretty clever politics to play at here because its his own MPs who are under threat. The anti movement here in Preston North and the Fylde is far from a few crustys and OAP nimbies, its a lot of crusties and oap nimbies its that sort of constituency!

For me Cuadrilla have to fully and publicly explain what and how the Preese Hall collapse came about and the current state of the well there and wtf they intend to do if something similar happens, if further legal action to appeal this decision brings that about then the democratic process is intact.

[Oakey]

Not fracking related but I see a movement has already begun to oppose potash mining in Yorkshire.

http://action.sumofus.org/a/north-york-moors-mine/...

[speedchick]

As expected, Cuadrilla are going to appeal Lancashire's decision, way to go LCC, spend money that you haven't got, just for it to go through and you look like the nice guys cos you said no first time round!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-33...

[Oakey]

The locals are moaning about how it would be undemocratic if the government overrule LCC. Somehow I doubt they'd have accepted democracy if LCC had approved fracking. They'd be making claims of corruption and all that.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Greenpeas very own survey earlier this year showed more people in favour of fracking than against, therefore it WOULD be undemocratic if a few NIMBYs succeeded in stopping it.

And after 1 winter of sitting in a freezing house in the dark because the windmills stalled, fracking would obtain 90% + support.

People need to get real and stop listening to nutters trying to take us back to the dark ages.

[Blib]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33901776

BBC reporting a government decision to give councils only 16 weeks to make a decision on fracking applications. If they fail to decide, the decision will be 'taken away from them'.

[FredClogs]

Blib said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33901776

BBC reporting a government decision to give councils only 16 weeks to make a decision on fracking applications. If they fail to decide, the decision will be 'taken away from them'.

Hmmmmm... Central government in full tail chasing mode now.

[Swervin_Mervin]

FredClogs said:

Blib said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33901776

BBC reporting a government decision to give councils only 16 weeks to make a decision on fracking applications. If they fail to decide, the decision will be 'taken away from them'.

Hmmmmm... Central government in full tail chasing mode now.

More like Central Gov't telling planning authorities to fulfill their statutory duties. Don't see why fracking should be marked out in particular though. It should be the same for all applications, especially major ones.

[Halb]

FredClogs said:

For me Cuadrilla have to fully and publicly explain what and how the Preese Hall collapse came about and the current state of the well there and wtf they intend to do if something similar happens, if further legal action to appeal this decision brings that about then the democratic process is intact.

Was that the result of the fracking back in 2011?

[DJRC]

Fracking will happen in the north west. It's the govt golden chance to rebuild industry in the area. Currently it's the wealthy retirees and green youth political sentiment bks that is opposing it. Once the jobs and money start up - forget it, every working vote in the area will ensure it stays.

[Blib]

DJRC said:

Fracking will happen in the north west. It's the govt golden chance to rebuild industry in the area. Currently it's the wealthy retirees and green youth political sentiment bks that is opposing it. Once the jobs and money start up - forget it, every working vote in the area will ensure it stays.

Let's hope so. The area is in desperate need of a boost. This could be perfect.

[FredClogs]

Halb said:

FredClogs said:

For me Cuadrilla have to fully and publicly explain what and how the Preese Hall collapse came about and the current state of the well there and wtf they intend to do if something similar happens, if further legal action to appeal this decision brings that about then the democratic process is intact.

Was that the result of the fracking back in 2011?

Yes, cuadrilla successfully drilled into the shale from preese hall 1 and fracturing started shortly after, then cam the earth quake and the government imposed moratorium in 2011... But in 2013 when the moratorium was lifted the preese hall site was never further explored because the well casing had been damaged, one can only presume by the earth quake in 2011 but the mechanism was never revealed and quadrilla have always insisted the wells integrity was never breached and no environmental or safety standards were ever raised... Which begs the question why mothball the well and move on?

I'm not anti tracking and I've read the reports but am still not sure that cuadrilla have disclosed what they need to about the current state of that well.

[DJRC]

Blib said:

DJRC said:

Fracking will happen in the north west. It's the govt golden chance to rebuild industry in the area. Currently it's the wealthy retirees and green youth political sentiment bks that is opposing it. Once the jobs and money start up - forget it, every working vote in the area will ensure it stays.

Let's hope so. The area is in desperate need of a boost. This could be perfect.

Where I live in the world - the Fylde will forever remain home. I am hugely aware of how much the place needs this. It just staggers and depresses me that others are not

[Blib]

DJRC said:

Blib said:

DJRC said:

Fracking will happen in the north west. It's the govt golden chance to rebuild industry in the area. Currently it's the wealthy retirees and green youth political sentiment bks that is opposing it. Once the jobs and money start up - forget it, every working vote in the area will ensure it stays.

Let's hope so. The area is in desperate need of a boost. This could be perfect.

Where I live in the world - the Fylde will forever remain home. I am hugely aware of how much the place needs this. It just staggers and depresses me that others are not

Unfortunately and as you are aware, the others truly believe that they are saving the planet. For them, there is no higher calling.

God save us from do-gooders.

[Oakey]

Blib said:

Unfortunately and as you are aware, the others truly believe that they are saving the planet. For them, there is no higher calling.

God save us from do-gooders.

Ha! So they claim, until someone wants to build renewables and then they object to those too:

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/business/lo...

[Halb]

FredClogs said:

Yes, cuadrilla successfully drilled into the shale from preese hall 1 and fracturing started shortly after, then cam the earth quake and the government imposed moratorium in 2011... But in 2013 when the moratorium was lifted the preese hall site was never further explored because the well casing had been damaged, one can only presume by the earth quake in 2011 but the mechanism was never revealed and quadrilla have always insisted the wells integrity was never breached and no environmental or safety standards were ever raised... Which begs the question why mothball the well and move on?
I'm not anti tracking and I've read the reports but am still not sure that cuadrilla have disclosed what they need to about the current state of that well.

Interesting stuff.
https://news.vice.com/article/the-only-fracked-sit...

[Scuffers]

Halb said:

Interesting stuff.
https://news.vice.com/article/the-only-fracked-sit...

Without knowing the context and details, it's almost totally meaningless.