Iranian nuclear deal in 6 months?
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.pre...
Realistic for a deal to be struck or not? Or is the 6 months a delaying tactic?
Realistic for a deal to be struck or not? Or is the 6 months a delaying tactic?
Mermaid said:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.pre...
Realistic for a deal to be struck or not? Or is the 6 months a delaying tactic?
Iran is desperate for trade, and I think they're ready to make a lot of concessions. Get the nuclear issue out of the way (which can be done with inspections, and I believe those are on the table) and it should be reasonably straightforward. Having Iran as a friend would be a very good thing indeed.Realistic for a deal to be struck or not? Or is the 6 months a delaying tactic?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-242781...
& of course they also want Israel to disarm. Fair, but not going to happen.
& of course they also want Israel to disarm. Fair, but not going to happen.
Mermaid said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-242781...
& of course they also want Israel to disarm. Fair, but not going to happen.
Agreed on both points! Thig is though technically, Israel has never said if it does do or not and as long as they don;t sign the NPT they are not breaking any treaty. Realistically though she does have the bomb and even if the government wanted to get rid of them, the population would never go for it - certainly not for the foreseeable future and thus no Government is Israel could or would agree anytime soon. Can;t say I blame them to be fair!& of course they also want Israel to disarm. Fair, but not going to happen.
It is a shame Iran is viewed with such suspision. Their recent track record is not good clearly but they should be given the chance to engagauge. After all, the worst that can happen is talks stall and nothing changes. Got to be worth a go and maybe the internal politics there are at a place where that can happen. Hope so. Apart from anything else I would love to visit the place :-)
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Wouldn't trust an Iranian leader as far as I could throw him. If he said good morning, I'd check my watch to see if it had gone noon!
On past performance certainly. I feel the country is very much ready for westernisation - it's young demographic would no doubt be keen to support this - although as we've seen elsewhere, the military and the hard-liners can put the mockers on that pretty easily.TwigtheWonderkid said:
Wouldn't trust an Iranian American leader as far as I could throw him. If he said good morning, I'd check my watch to see if it had gone noon! I'd check my family have not become fatalities in a drone strike.
I fixed that for you. The Iranian government is not angelic, by any measure of the imagination, but pale in comparison to the dirty tricks employed on them directly by the USA. This includes shooting down civilian jet liners, sponsoring a violent revolution of democratically elected government, sponsoring of internal terrorism and the small matter of supporting a full scale invasion of the country, resulting in 100's of thousands of deaths, including providing the aggressor with assistance in deploying chemical weapons.
A slightly more balanced view is needed in this.
Mermaid said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
...A slightly more balanced view is needed in this.
More respect for each other once both have nuclear weapons.America is fundamentally stable.
Iran has the ability to create a war in the ME and has been doing so by proxy for many many years. The ME is an absolute tinderbox and Iran is a situation that has needed to be adrressed for a long time. It is a massive step forward in ethos though that the world wants to engage and not replace a sitting government. To troop up in try to impose some form of change to a more deomcratoc process would be a imeasurably poor idea!
QuantumTokoloshi said:
The Iranian government is not angelic, by any measure of the imagination, but pale in comparison to the dirty tricks employed on them directly by the USA. This includes shooting down civilian jet liners, sponsoring a violent revolution of democratically elected government, sponsoring of internal terrorism and the small matter of supporting a full scale invasion of the country, resulting in 100's of thousands of deaths, including providing the aggressor with assistance in deploying chemical weapons.
A slightly more balanced view is needed in this.
At least the American people get an opportunity to kick their leader out every 4 yrs. Or complain openly about their govt's actions. America make some bad decisions, but you can't compare them to that bunch of medieval halfwits.A slightly more balanced view is needed in this.
I know where I'd rather live/holiday.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
At least the American people get an opportunity to kick their leader out every 4 yrs. Or complain openly about their govt's actions. America make some bad decisions, but you can't compare them to that bunch of medieval halfwits.
I know where I'd rather live/holiday.
Yes, and the American also get to kick out other people's democratically elected government when they see fit to, it seems. You conveniently forget the comedy election the first time Bush Jnr. was elected, large numbers of eligible voters illegitimately disqualified, the election finally being decided in his brothers state, the farce would have done a banana republic proud.I know where I'd rather live/holiday.
You know lots about Iran, been there recently ? Or is this all the unbiased views courtesy of the BBC ?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 27th September 20:02
TwigtheWonderkid said:
At least the American people get an opportunity to kick their leader out every 4 yrs. Or complain openly about their govt's actions. America make some bad decisions, but you can't compare them to that bunch of medieval halfwits.
I know where I'd rather live/holiday.
Wy do you seem to believe that the only acceptable form of government is the one that you believe in.I know where I'd rather live/holiday.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
I fixed that for you.
The Iranian government is not angelic, by any measure of the imagination, but pale in comparison to the dirty tricks employed on them directly by the USA. This includes shooting down civilian jet liners, sponsoring a violent revolution of democratically elected government, sponsoring of internal terrorism and the small matter of supporting a full scale invasion of the country, resulting in 100's of thousands of deaths, including providing the aggressor with assistance in deploying chemical weapons.
A slightly more balanced view is needed in this.
STUXNET, makes you aware of the depths the US will sink to. The Iranian government is not angelic, by any measure of the imagination, but pale in comparison to the dirty tricks employed on them directly by the USA. This includes shooting down civilian jet liners, sponsoring a violent revolution of democratically elected government, sponsoring of internal terrorism and the small matter of supporting a full scale invasion of the country, resulting in 100's of thousands of deaths, including providing the aggressor with assistance in deploying chemical weapons.
A slightly more balanced view is needed in this.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
You know lots about Iran, been there recently ?
Not been, not going. But got some Iranian friends who fled to the UK from Iran.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 27th September 20:02
Many Iranians living in the USA too, having legged it from the Iran after '79. I wonder, how many Americans have fled the USA to take up a new life in Iran?
Chim said:
Wy do you seem to believe that the only acceptable form of government is the one that you believe in.
Why do you seek to defend a barbaric theocratic regime that is despised throughout the rest of the middle east, let alone the rest of the world. In what year did Americans storm the Iranian embassy in Washington DC and hold the staff hostage for ages? TwigtheWonderkid said:
Chim said:
Wy do you seem to believe that the only acceptable form of government is the one that you believe in.
Why do you seek to defend a barbaric theocratic regime that is despised throughout the rest of the middle east, let alone the rest of the world. In what year did Americans storm the Iranian embassy in Washington DC and hold the staff hostage for ages? Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff