Iranian nuclear deal in 6 months?
Discussion
The Don of Croy said:
Watching al Jazeera on Friday evening - they covered a speech by Khameini (his first since the deal was announced) which was preceded by the crowd being lead through chants of 'death to America' and 'death to the West'.
Is this just al Jaz getting the translation wrong? Or do the Iranians still publicly call for 'death'?
Remind me again why the new deal is so good?
because it gives billions of dollars to one of the worlds biggest sponsors of terrorism.Is this just al Jaz getting the translation wrong? Or do the Iranians still publicly call for 'death'?
Remind me again why the new deal is so good?
t,do it on another thread.
Foppo said:
We all know the U.S.supports Israel.What is so wrong with this deal with Iran?
You have got to start somewhere.
The reason why "some" think it's so bad?You have got to start somewhere.
Israel doesn't want anybody to be able to challenge, even remotely, it's military capability. It has bombed other countries several times because of "it's inalienable right to exist". Iran having nukes means if Israel tries to do the same again it risks serious retaliation.
The Saudis don't like anybody challenging them exporting their peaceful brand of Wahhabi 'ism.
BlackLabel said:
This an all round great thing. There's an old saying - "Never contend with he who has something to lose" - and now Iran have things to lose. Without posturing, without lecturing, without really needing to say anything to them at all, Iran's position on a lot of issues will begin to soften as they calculate that they have a lot more to gain in the current international situation by being an enemy of ISIS and a productive member of a coalition against them.I believe that Iran hold the key to solving Syria. If they can now step up and get a deal with Syria, Russia, and the West then their position in the international community will be secured.
They're going to make them all laugh until they collapse dead from oxygen starvation....here's the first joke just in....
Iran's President, Hassan Rouhani said following the lifting of sanctions: "We are a messenger of peace, stability and security in the region and the world."
Now THAT is pure comedy.
Iran's President, Hassan Rouhani said following the lifting of sanctions: "We are a messenger of peace, stability and security in the region and the world."
Now THAT is pure comedy.
GT03ROB said:
davepoth said:
I believe that Iran hold the key to solving Syria. If they can now step up and get a deal with Syria, Russia, and the West then their position in the international community will be secured.
In what way do you see Iran as the key to solving the Syrian problem? BlackLabel said:
GT03ROB said:
davepoth said:
I believe that Iran hold the key to solving Syria. If they can now step up and get a deal with Syria, Russia, and the West then their position in the international community will be secured.
In what way do you see Iran as the key to solving the Syrian problem? It's a terrible situation, but if we're not going to put hundreds of thousands of troops into Syria for a decade or more it's not going to be fixed without Assad's help. We need Assad to agree to stop fighting everyone who isn't ISIS, and then to agree to an orderly transition of power afterwards. The Quid Pro Quo of that is that he gets to retire to a nice little dentist's practice in Tehran, no questions asked.
It is extremely distasteful given what he's done over the last five years, but the alternative is almost too terrible to contemplate.
davepoth said:
We need Assad to agree to stop fighting everyone who isn't ISIS, and then to agree to an orderly transition of power afterwards. The Quid Pro Quo of that is that he gets to retire to a nice little dentist's practice in Tehran, no questions asked.
It is extremely distasteful given what he's done over the last five years, but the alternative is almost too terrible to contemplate.
Saudis have huge responsibility for what escalated in Syria. Many of these countries have local difficulty that gets resolved. It is extremely distasteful given what he's done over the last five years, but the alternative is almost too terrible to contemplate.
And he does represent the minority Alawites - how will they fare in a Sunni led government. Iraq offers a clue - roles reversed.
Anyone know if the most of the Syrian refugees/migrant are are Sunni/Alawites or Christians
And Assad would not be any good in a Dentist's practice
Good news for Airbus.
article said:
A purchase of more than 100 aircraft from Europe's Airbus may be one of Iran's first big deals in a trade and investment boom that could reshape the economy of the Middle East.
"The legs of Iran’s economy are now free of the chains of sanctions, and it’s time to build and grow,” President Hassan Rouhani tweeted on Sunday, a day after world powers lifted sanctions on Tehran in exchange for curbs on its nuclear program.
Hours earlier, his transport minister Abbas Akhoondi told the Tasnim news agency that Iran intended to buy 114 civil aircraft from Airbus (AIR.PA) - a deal that could be worth more than $10 billion at catalog prices.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-economy-idUSKCN0UV0GB"The legs of Iran’s economy are now free of the chains of sanctions, and it’s time to build and grow,” President Hassan Rouhani tweeted on Sunday, a day after world powers lifted sanctions on Tehran in exchange for curbs on its nuclear program.
Hours earlier, his transport minister Abbas Akhoondi told the Tasnim news agency that Iran intended to buy 114 civil aircraft from Airbus (AIR.PA) - a deal that could be worth more than $10 billion at catalog prices.
Foppo said:
We all know the U.S.supports Israel.What is so wrong with this deal with Iran?
You have got to start somewhere.
1. It took this deal to force Iran to release several political prisoners.You have got to start somewhere.
2. No discussion about Iran propping up Assad.
3. No discussion about the continuing delivery of arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
4. No discussion about their stirring up trouble across the ME.
The above will now only get worse.
Let me give you a clue. N. Korea are great underground tunnel builders and Iran is full of very well educated engineers & scientists.
Would you like more?
Phil
davepoth said:
This an all round great thing. There's an old saying - "Never contend with he who has something to lose" - and now Iran have things to lose. Without posturing, without lecturing, without really needing to say anything to them at all, Iran's position on a lot of issues will begin to soften as they calculate that they have a lot more to gain in the current international situation by being an enemy of ISIS and a productive member of a coalition against them.
I believe that Iran hold the key to solving Syria. If they can now step up and get a deal with Syria, Russia, and the West then their position in the international community will be secured.
Dave,I believe that Iran hold the key to solving Syria. If they can now step up and get a deal with Syria, Russia, and the West then their position in the international community will be secured.
Syria is Irans route to Hezbollah in Lebanon and therefore Israel.
Since murdering the Lebanese prime minister in 2005 and long before that Iran's proxy has succeeded in destabilizing the country and it still has no government while controlling much of the country's infrastructure including the airport.
Nothing gets done in the country without paying a bribe and all the while they periodically lob rockets into Israel.
There is nothing at all that the world can do to stop Iran feeding Hezbollah and Syria is part of it.
Russia on the other hand just wants to explore the oil & gas offshore of Syria and for that reason they are also propping up Assad. Putin has no interest in Assad or Hezbollah or the other Iranian proxies. yes, there are others active in the region.
BTW, family fled Tehran in the 79 revolution and the country's been f....d ever since.
And people keep going on about Saudi, shucks, they're pussycats compared to what happens in the Iranian prisons.
Phil
I actually think it's a good idea in opening up Iran to the world. It's arguably one of the more modern ME countries and all this scaremongering about there being hidden caches of nuclear technology reminds me somewhat of a similar situation back in 2003 when we were told unequivocally that Iraq had hordes of WMDs hidden underground.
Transmitter Man said:
1. It took this deal to force Iran to release several political prisoners.
2. No discussion about Iran propping up Assad.
3. No discussion about the continuing delivery of arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
4. No discussion about their stirring up trouble across the ME.
The above will now only get worse.
Let me give you a clue. N. Korea are great underground tunnel builders and Iran is full of very well educated engineers & scientists.
Would you like more?
Phil
1, Prisoner exchangers are always a good start.2. No discussion about Iran propping up Assad.
3. No discussion about the continuing delivery of arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
4. No discussion about their stirring up trouble across the ME.
The above will now only get worse.
Let me give you a clue. N. Korea are great underground tunnel builders and Iran is full of very well educated engineers & scientists.
Would you like more?
Phil
2, If other countries had also helped Assad Syria wouldn't be the mess and ISIS stronghold it is now, instead the West supplied weapons to groups that joined ISIS instead. yay.
3, A group that exists due to Israeli aggression in the area, for many Hezbollah are freedom fighters and aren't even listed as a terrorist group by many including the UK.
4, Stirring up trouble in the ME? Really? Considering this entire mess can be traced back to US regime changes and meddling over the past 30 years and the UK's before that it's hard to criticise a country that has only been in two large military campaigns. The Iran-Iraq war in which Iran was the nation who were attacked and the ongoing efforts against ISIS.
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