Iranian nuclear deal in 6 months?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Chim said:

Can you please point me to the place in my post where I even mention Iran let alone defend it, I asked a simple question, you start ranting a load of gibberish

Where did I say the only acceptable government is one I believed in?

[drivin_me_nuts]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

You know lots about Iran, been there recently ?

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 27th September 20:02

Not been, not going. But got some Iranian friends who fled to the UK from Iran.

Many Iranians living in the USA too, having legged it from the Iran after '79. I wonder, how many Americans have fled the USA to take up a new life in Iran?

and given the opportunity many would return if circumstances changed. Quite a number who fled did so to keep their wealth, more so left afterwards as the regime killed may who opposed them.

Iran is many things, many conflicted ideals and a people with diverse views and attitudes - cultures within cultures. But it's people are smart, determined and very very savvy. Iran free from the clerics has the potential to be a middle eastern economiic powerhouse.

It would be a tragedy if the country was to implode; Iran has so very much to offer the world and as for visiting... ask your friends about Shiraz, or Damarvand, or Qish and watch their eyes glaze over. They will be the first to tell you the potential it has and they will also talk with great sadness about the batche engalabie (children of the revolution), the war with Iraq and the daft men who run it now.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

drivin_me_nuts said:

and given the opportunity many would return if circumstances changed. Quite a number who fled did so to keep their wealth, more so left afterwards as the regime killed may who opposed them.

Iran is many things, many conflicted ideals and a people with diverse views and attitudes - cultures within cultures. But it's people are smart, determined and very very savvy. Iran free from the clerics has the potential to be a middle eastern economiic powerhouse.

It would be a tragedy if the country was to implode; Iran has so very much to offer the world and as for visiting... ask your friends about Shiraz, or Damarvand, or Qish and watch their eyes glaze over. They will be the first to tell you the potential it has and they will also talk with great sadness about the batche engalabie (children of the revolution), the war with Iraq and the daft men who run it now.

All that may be true.

But some on here seem set on proving the USA is as bad as Iran. Now the USA are no angels, but your phrase "more left afterwards as the regime killed may who opposed them" sums it up. How many Americans who oppose the party in power have been murdered by their own government?

[Mermaid]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

All that may be true.

But some on here seem set on proving the USA is as bad as Iran. Now the USA are no angels, but your phrase "more left afterwards as the regime killed may who opposed them" sums it up. How many Americans who oppose the party in power have been murdered by their own government?

As soon as you reset the calendar by circa a couple of centuries for Muslim countries vis-a vis the West for certain things, it all starts to make more sense. They will catch up, as will Africa etc.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

All that may be true.

But some on here seem set on proving the USA is as bad as Iran. Now the USA are no angels, but your phrase "more left afterwards as the regime killed may who opposed them" sums it up. How many Americans who oppose the party in power have been murdered by their own government?

Opposed to the US government, and killed by their government.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57585798/who-w...

You may argue Timothy Mc Veigh and David Koresh was opposed to said government, and were both executed by the US government, in the Waco case, 76 men women and children were also killed in the ensuing conflagration. It may be a democracy, but when a democracy acts like a dictatorship, the only difference is in the name.

You are aware where the saying Banana Republic comes from ?

Puts a lot of thing into perspective, considering how the US interfered negatively in so many countries, coups, supporting violent terrorist campaigns, read up on Indonesia and the US complicity in that massacre of 500 000 people , including the US embassy supplying list of people to be executed.

Iran has supported violent terrorist groups, like Hamas, and the PLO. The USA, make Hamas, the PLO and Iran look like amateur hour, when it comes to violent interventionist militarism.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Saturday 28th September 14:47

[speedy_thrills]

Pappa Lurve said:

Mermaid said:

Pappa Lurve said:

Apart from anything else I would love to visit the place :-)

Pretty women.

That sir, is very true!

Israel or Iran? I'm sure that Iran is lovely but the travel advisory is hardly a glowing recommendation of somewhere one goes to have a good time being rated, even by a neutral country, in the "extreme risk" catagory.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

This may be part of an internal power struggle within Iran, but considering the number of scientists assassinated and now this, it certainly has the hallmarks of external interference.

If you consider the huge upheaval that the assassination of Alexander Litvinenko and "suicide" of David Kelly created in the UK, this is probably not the ideal way to get a country to negotiate in good faith.

Iranian cyber warfare commander shot dead in suspected assassination

[TwigtheWonderkid]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

You may argue Timothy Mc Veigh and David Koresh was opposed to said government, and were both executed by the US government, in the Waco case, 76 men women and children were also killed in the ensuing conflagration. It may be a democracy, but when a democracy acts like a dictatorship, the only difference is in the name.

Don't be a muppet.

McVeigh was the Oklahoma bomber. And in Waco, Koresh had every opportunity to leave the compound and let the women and kids go, but they were held up with enough weaponry to arm a medium sized country. What were the authorities meant to do?

Can you give me the details of Americans who have been killed by the government simply for disagreeing with them? Or Americans that have fled to start a new life in Iran?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Guam said:

Plus iirc Koresh spread accellerant all over the compound and intended to kill everyone even if the Crossfire hadn't triggered the fire!

Don't cloud the issue with facts!

[Pappa Lurve]

speedy_thrills said:

Pappa Lurve said:

Mermaid said:

Pappa Lurve said:

Apart from anything else I would love to visit the place :-)

Pretty women.

That sir, is very true!

Israel or Iran? I'm sure that Iran is lovely but the travel advisory is hardly a glowing recommendation of somewhere one goes to have a good time being rated, even by a neutral country, in the "extreme risk" catagory.

Israel I have been to many, many times for both business and pleasure. Great place.

I would love to visit Iran also but not really on the cards right now. Shame as it has a wonderful history but one day hopefully I will be able to go.

[shakotan]

Pappa Lurve said:

Mermaid said:

Pappa Lurve said:

Apart from anything else I would love to visit the place :-)

Pretty women.

That sir, is very true!

Visited on a business trip of 3 days in 2003. Was in Esfanhan, right near where the nuclear plant was being built. Incredibly pretty country, with very friendly people, and as said, very pretty women.

[Bill]

speedy_thrills said:

Israel or Iran? I'm sure that Iran is lovely but the travel advisory is hardly a glowing recommendation of somewhere one goes to have a good time being rated, even by a neutral country, in the "extreme risk" catagory.

The bits that are "extreme risk" are next to warzones (that we started...). Amazing place with the friendliest people you could imagine, as ever spoilt by the idiots in charge.

[Puggit]

Looks like the Saudis are nuclear capable now - albeit not nuclear armed...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-248238...

[Mermaid]

Puggit said:

Looks like the Saudis are nuclear capable now - albeit not nuclear armed...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-248238...

just started a thread on that

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Victor McDade]

An interim deal has been struck. Netanyahu, the Wahabbis in the Gulf and Fox News types in DC aren't too happy about it though.

BBC said:

What Iran will do

Halt enrichment of uranium above 5% purity
"Neutralise" its stockpile of near-20%-enriched uranium, either by diluting it to less than 5% or converting it to a form which cannot be further enriched
Not install any more centrifuges (the machines used to enrich uranium)
Leave half to three-quarters of centrifuges installed in Natanz and Fordo enrichment facilities inoperable
Not build any more enrichment facilities
Not increase its stockpile of 3.5% low-enriched uranium
Halt work on the construction of its heavy-water reactor at Arak, not attempt to produce plutonium there
Provide daily access to Natanz and Fordo sites to IAEA inspectors and access to other facilities, mines and mills
Provide "long-sought" information on the Arak reactor and other data

What the P5+1 will do

Provide "limited, temporary, targeted, and reversible [sanctions] relief"
Not impose further nuclear-related sanctions if Iran meets its commitments
Suspend certain sanctions on trade in gold and precious metals, Iran's automotive sector, and its petrochemical exports
Licence safety-related repairs and inspections inside Iran for certain Iranian airlines
Transfer $4.2bn to Iran in instalments from sales of its oil

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25080217

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/24/world/meast/iran...

[Ozzie Osmond]

Let's face it, USA and its allies (UK) got it seriously wrong in Syria and Russia/Iran have come out laughing. THAT's the real reason for this sudden move towards a "deal". USA has been forced to negotiate from a weaker position.

[Mr GrimNasty]

And let's not forget that sanctions hurt both ways. May well be why Britain wanted another 'deal in the desert'.

[NelsonR32]

Israel would not have been happy whatever the outcome which is why they were not included in the talks. Any resolution involving Israel would massively weaken Netanyahu's position in the country.

[Ozzie Osmond]

NelsonR32 said:

Israel would not have been happy whatever the outcome.......

Very true. RoW has come to realise that Israel will never be happy so might as well be ignored. The risk for Israel is that unless it can learn to get along with its neighbours (and non-Jewish residents) it will become increasingly isolated and may eventually be squeezed out of existence.

[Jimbeaux]

This deal is laughable. The Iranians know now that they can continue to develop a weapon under cover. However, as the Democrats are jumping ship on Obamacare, they have now begun jumping ship on this deal as well. They too know it is a bad one. The POTUS is so desperate to distract from the ACA that he was willing to sign anything to say he got a deal. A desperate POTUS has done something that will only hurt him more.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 25th November 12:11