Coulson & Brooks hacking trial starts today
Discussion
Derek,
Very well put.
I do wonder why the politicans think that he gives them something though. In the modern age the influence of newspapers is diminishing so the need to have him on side isn't so great. And does anybody believe what's in the Sun enough to go and vote like they tell to?
I suppose it's a bit more subtle that that though, it's the drip drip drip of opinion that they need to buy and narture.
However did we allow it to get to this stage?
Very well put.
I do wonder why the politicans think that he gives them something though. In the modern age the influence of newspapers is diminishing so the need to have him on side isn't so great. And does anybody believe what's in the Sun enough to go and vote like they tell to?
I suppose it's a bit more subtle that that though, it's the drip drip drip of opinion that they need to buy and narture.
However did we allow it to get to this stage?
Derek Smith said:
...Thatcher, Blair, Brown, Cameron: all have formed close relations with Murdoch, Thatcher less so, although she started it all...
Derek - are you sure of this? Murdoch had been 'running' the News of the Screws and the Bun since 1969, the two biggest circulation newspapers of their day, all through the Wilson/Callaghan/Heath years. And yet somehow Thatcher started the rot after 1979?Looking further back to the activities of Beaverbrook and other early 20th Century publishing houses there ain't nothin' new in the world of politicians and media tycoons.
The Don of Croy said:
Derek - are you sure of this? Murdoch had been 'running' the News of the Screws and the Bun since 1969, the two biggest circulation newspapers of their day, all through the Wilson/Callaghan/Heath years. And yet somehow Thatcher started the rot after 1979?
Looking further back to the activities of Beaverbrook and other early 20th Century publishing houses there ain't nothin' new in the world of politicians and media tycoons.
I take the point about Beaverbrook et al. Indeed, in some ways it was worse than nowadays: the elite were untouchable and the revelations of what went on were not so available.Looking further back to the activities of Beaverbrook and other early 20th Century publishing houses there ain't nothin' new in the world of politicians and media tycoons.
Thatcher, or rather Murdoch, brought it into the modern world though, establishing the present system. He wanted to ignore the monopolies commission problems and did so.
To give Major his due, and I'm one of those who underrated him at the time, he ignored such pressures, but those that followed just built on the new system.
I remember Harman mouthing off when Murdoch jumped ship last election. It was almost as if she was suggesting that labour had done everything that was asked of them. But that can't be right of course.
The McTaggart lectures are well worth reading up on and then examining government policy, or rather actions, afterwards. It is almost as if . . .
I remember an article in the Eye listing visits to #10 and private meetings with the PM after the latest elections. I meant to record them but it slipped my mind. Whilst the totals were shocking, the stats for the previous mob would have to be listed for them to mean anything.
12TS said:
Derek,
Very well put.
I do wonder why the politicans think that he gives them something though. In the modern age the influence of newspapers is diminishing so the need to have him on side isn't so great. And does anybody believe what's in the Sun enough to go and vote like they tell to?
I suppose it's a bit more subtle that that though, it's the drip drip drip of opinion that they need to buy and narture.
However did we allow it to get to this stage?
In my book, it's rare that Derek puts a foot wrong.Very well put.
I do wonder why the politicans think that he gives them something though. In the modern age the influence of newspapers is diminishing so the need to have him on side isn't so great. And does anybody believe what's in the Sun enough to go and vote like they tell to?
I suppose it's a bit more subtle that that though, it's the drip drip drip of opinion that they need to buy and narture.
However did we allow it to get to this stage?
2 more charged from NoTW.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/30/pho...
Mr Wallis is very upset.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/30/pho...
Mr Wallis is very upset.
Coulson must be enjoying Belmarsh....... Not.
Assaulted for the second time and looking to move to nonce wing.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/andy-coulson-injured-pri...
Unlucky that he's banged up with a criminal who was featured in the NOTW!
I do NOT envy him.
Assaulted for the second time and looking to move to nonce wing.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/andy-coulson-injured-pri...
Unlucky that he's banged up with a criminal who was featured in the NOTW!
I do NOT envy him.
And it gets better for him....
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/06/and...
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Soov535 said:
And it gets better for him....
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/06/and...
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
That was almost inevitable given the way that the Sheridan case has gone. AC is clearly a liar of some distinction. I do not think his life is going quite as he planned. Pity. Worth remembering that David Cameron as Prme Minister made his appointment of Coulson at the highest level of government, when there rumours about Couson, were already fully extent, which confirms just how woefully inadequate Cameron's personal ad political judgment must be. Pity.http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/06/and...
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
If Coulson is found guilty he might well get another significant sentence. I suspect he is still in a hard prison because he is accused of other crimes and until those are decided I think he s stuck in a pretty crap place. Mabe his well connected friends will effect a change for their former colleage. Maybe they will not.
I'm sorry, but I just can't find any reason to feel anything but schadenfreude......when I hear of Andy Coulson's day going from bad to worse. Especially if his conniving sent an innocent man to jail. Hope his next s
te is a hedgehog and his next cell mate is a 25 stone hulk who calls himself Mary..........lol!!!
te is a hedgehog and his next cell mate is a 25 stone hulk who calls himself Mary..........lol!!!pcvdriver said:
I'm sorry, but I just can't find any reason to feel anything but schadenfreude......when I hear of Andy Coulson's day going from bad to worse. Especially if his conniving sent an innocent man to jail. Hope his next ste is a hedgehog and his next cell mate is a 25 stone hulk who calls himself Mary..........lol!!!
Ah, the usual homo-erotic prison fantasy that so many PHers seem to enjoy!te is a hedgehog and his next cell mate is a 25 stone hulk who calls himself Mary..........lol!!!Reportedly he's out of Belmarsh and at an Open Prison:
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/content/after-two-mo...
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/content/after-two-mo...
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