Yet another... recycling plant fire
Discussion
John145 said:
That one's still smouldering, lovely to drive past still, especially on foggy days which cause the smoke to be trapped rather than dissipate. 
bostin01 said:
They keep happening.
Would it not be easier just build more purpose built incinerators for electricity generation, rather trying to recycle and and all that free energy go to waste when it catches fire anyway?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-303673...
What, like in Newhaven?Would it not be easier just build more purpose built incinerators for electricity generation, rather trying to recycle and and all that free energy go to waste when it catches fire anyway?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-303673...
One of the largest incinerators in the country is 100 yds from the fire.
loafer123 said:
What, like in Newhaven?
One of the largest incinerators in the country is 100 yds from the fire.
Ah right. I assumed incorrectly that this was a recycling centre as looked indoors. One of the largest incinerators in the country is 100 yds from the fire.
Either way, the regularity that these sites that store large quantities of waste seem go up flames is eye opening. One part of me thinks, that the most likely explanation is because you never know whats in waste (chemicals,flammables etc), however the cynical side of me wonders if in some cases this is just an easier method disposal so to speak.
The fire in Newhaven was compared to a space rocket launch by my 5yr old on Saturday as we drove past, fair observation having watched the Orion launch on TV the day before and the wind blowing the white smoke out to sea;
It stank like hell when I drive through the smoke at daft o'clock this morning... Has been going for 4 days now, lovely.
It stank like hell when I drive through the smoke at daft o'clock this morning... Has been going for 4 days now, lovely.
bostin01 said:
Ah right. I assumed incorrectly that this was a recycling centre as looked indoors.
Either way, the regularity that these sites that store large quantities of waste seem go up flames is eye opening. One part of me thinks, that the most likely explanation is because you never know whats in waste (chemicals,flammables etc), however the cynical side of me wonders if in some cases this is just an easier method disposal so to speak.
Go back through this thread. I don't think there's a single public sector facility mentioned. That gives you the answer.Either way, the regularity that these sites that store large quantities of waste seem go up flames is eye opening. One part of me thinks, that the most likely explanation is because you never know whats in waste (chemicals,flammables etc), however the cynical side of me wonders if in some cases this is just an easier method disposal so to speak.
bostin01 said:
Ah right. I assumed incorrectly that this was a recycling centre as looked indoors.
Either way, the regularity that these sites that store large quantities of waste seem go up flames is eye opening. One part of me thinks, that the most likely explanation is because you never know whats in waste (chemicals,flammables etc), however the cynical side of me wonders if in some cases this is just an easier method disposal so to speak.
I think it is a recycling centre. The problem with the one I was involved in (clearing up the mess afterwards not the fire lol) was that the market for recycled materials reduced (or rather the supply increased) so the price went down. This meant that it wasnt economical to sort it. Therefore it was stockpiled until prices increased. Problem then is that the weight of it means it decomposes, this creates heat which then results in the fire. In our case it didnt cacth fire but that was because the tenant went bust before it did. The insurance company and environment agancy made us spray it with water to stop it catching fire. We then had to pay landfill tax on the waterlogged rubbish! Once empty it turned out the weight of the rubbish had ruined the building beyond repair, and that is not an insured risk! So one written off building (250,000 sq ft of it) and a bill of over a million for clearing the rubbish!Either way, the regularity that these sites that store large quantities of waste seem go up flames is eye opening. One part of me thinks, that the most likely explanation is because you never know whats in waste (chemicals,flammables etc), however the cynical side of me wonders if in some cases this is just an easier method disposal so to speak.
It is becoming very difficult to insure buildings used by recycling companies for obvious reasons.
Chrisgr31 said:
I think it is a recycling centre. The problem with the one I was involved in (clearing up the mess afterwards not the fire lol) was that the market for recycled materials reduced (or rather the supply increased) so the price went down. This meant that it wasnt economical to sort it. Therefore it was stockpiled until prices increased. Problem then is that the weight of it means it decomposes, this creates heat which then results in the fire. In our case it didnt cacth fire but that was because the tenant went bust before it did. The insurance company and environment agancy made us spray it with water to stop it catching fire. We then had to pay landfill tax on the waterlogged rubbish! Once empty it turned out the weight of the rubbish had ruined the building beyond repair, and that is not an insured risk! So one written off building (250,000 sq ft of it) and a bill of over a million for clearing the rubbish!
It is becoming very difficult to insure buildings used by recycling companies for obvious reasons.
It is becoming very difficult to insure buildings used by recycling companies for obvious reasons.
was that also in Newhaven?bostin01 said:
loafer123 said:
What, like in Newhaven?
One of the largest incinerators in the country is 100 yds from the fire.
Ah right. I assumed incorrectly that this was a recycling centre as looked indoors. One of the largest incinerators in the country is 100 yds from the fire.
Either way, the regularity that these sites that store large quantities of waste seem go up flames is eye opening. One part of me thinks, that the most likely explanation is because you never know whats in waste (chemicals,flammables etc), however the cynical side of me wonders if in some cases this is just an easier method disposal so to speak.
They sort the waste at Skip It and shred the non recyclables for biomass fuel, bale it into 1 tonne bales and ship it abroad for incineration. Having seen the amount of waste 'on the ground' there, the papers have seriously underestimated the 200 tonnes they state. Multiply it by 10 and they might get closer.
They had more waste coming in than they were getting out........
John145 said:
I'll put money on this one being an insurance job, it was no recycling centre, it used to be a site for recycling aggregate, I can't say much more as I know the family who own it.bostin01 said:
loafer123 said:
What, like in Newhaven?
One of the largest incinerators in the country is 100 yds from the fire.
Ah right. I assumed incorrectly that this was a recycling centre as looked indoors. One of the largest incinerators in the country is 100 yds from the fire.
Either way, the regularity that these sites that store large quantities of waste seem go up flames is eye opening. One part of me thinks, that the most likely explanation is because you never know whats in waste (chemicals,flammables etc), however the cynical side of me wonders if in some cases this is just an easier method disposal so to speak.
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The fine from the Environment Agency will be considerably less than what it would have cost them for disposal..........
The unburnt waste is now water logged - insurance company will pay for the landfill disposal
And as soon as it is cleared they will have some space for all of the waste they need to clear from their closed down depot on Shoreham harbour, rumour has it there is a good few thousand tonnes sitting there and allegedly they are supposed to be out of there by the end of the month
Silent1 said:
I'll put money on this one being an insurance job...
Possible, but you;re missing the primary 'angle' on recycling scams; they charge customers to collect waste from them, ostensibly for recycling or re-use.The initial costs are collection, storage, but often a fairly hefty cost is recycling, before the good is saleable. They do not usually 'lose' money if there is a fire - they can often still make a tidy profit.
'Recycling' also assumes there is a market for the recycled product, but I understand that a few local wood recyclers were declining collections in the run up to Christmas.
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