Yet another... recycling plant fire
Discussion
I don't know why anyone would want the government to step in and be even more involved in this ridiculous scam. The whole problem in the first place is that all these incentives and subsidies attract the free money crowd who milk it for all it's worth then discharge their liabilities with a can of petrol and a match.
Plenty of other businesses manage to store and process flammable materials without catching fire, when it's in the owner's interest for them not to.
Plenty of other businesses manage to store and process flammable materials without catching fire, when it's in the owner's interest for them not to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32...
The latest fire; seems like a sound business model.
The latest fire; seems like a sound business model.
AJS- said:
I don't know why anyone would want the government to step in and be even more involved in this ridiculous scam. The whole problem in the first place is that all these incentives and subsidies attract the free money crowd who milk it for all it's worth then discharge their liabilities with a can of petrol and a match.
Plenty of other businesses manage to store and process flammable materials without catching fire, when it's in the owner's interest for them not to.
100% correct.Plenty of other businesses manage to store and process flammable materials without catching fire, when it's in the owner's interest for them not to.
This is (yet another) shining example of the law of unintended consequences, with regard to government legislation. I should also add that it is also a typical example of daft EU legislation which is behind the UK govt's stupidity.
dmitsi said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32...
The latest fire; seems like a sound business model.
Loving the deadpan reporting. The latest fire; seems like a sound business model.
A cynic, not me , might also point out dodgy areas, supply of willing local scrotes and suchlike as contributory factors. It was the hot weather and bored kids sir.
Also resisting the old school improvements gag.
Ooh look...
Another "recycling" centre mysteriously sets itself on fire.
Funny how they never used to spontaneously combust - I'm not suggesting for one second some of the people involved in these places are less than 100% above board, it must just be an unlucky coincidence.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Another "recycling" centre mysteriously sets itself on fire.
Funny how they never used to spontaneously combust - I'm not suggesting for one second some of the people involved in these places are less than 100% above board, it must just be an unlucky coincidence.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
northwest monkey said:
Ooh look...
Another "recycling" centre mysteriously sets itself on fire.
Funny how they never used to spontaneously combust - I'm not suggesting for one second some of the people involved in these places are less than 100% above board, it must just be an unlucky coincidence.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
One quote!: Another "recycling" centre mysteriously sets itself on fire.
Funny how they never used to spontaneously combust - I'm not suggesting for one second some of the people involved in these places are less than 100% above board, it must just be an unlucky coincidence.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Claire Day • 3 hours ago
this has to be a insurance job how many times has this been on fire
And yet another. This one has gone up twice in just under 7 years. Clearly the first one didn't do enough damage (even though it was burnt to the ground)
http://www.crawleyobserver.co.uk/news/local/breaki...
http://www.crawleyobserver.co.uk/news/local/breaki...
Hi there,
first off an apology - I haven't read the full post so if I'm slightly off topic or repeating I'm very sorry.
secondly I'm slightly pissed so all of what i'm about to say is "bullst" in the same way that speeders talk about "leptons"
As a long life lab analyst I spent a couple of miss spent years working as the Site Chemist at a Waste Transfer Station.
This Waste Transfer Station was owned by two of the caravan and fighting loving style of people.
In the interview I was told straight out that if I couldn't work without being sworn at all the time that this wasn't the job for me but also that they worked to see how far they could "stretch" the law without being jailed - fines and court appearances were normal.
This was not ever the way I worked or was brought up but the money was brilliant. I accepted.
Basically everything they did was against any law and totally environmentally terrible.I rationalised this by being totally safe and true in my analysis of the wastes and keeping a lab record. What they did with it was not my decision.
Liquid wastes had sawdust put on top to make them appear solid (to land fill). IBC's which had contained flammable liquids were cut up using a Stihl saw - numerous fires were caused on site which were not notified to the relevant authorities. As the place had "a proper Chemist" we took all sorts of dangerous wastes. We were subject to "random" inspections by the Environment Authority, luckily our local man allowed the use of "brown envelopes" so we always got a days notice of a random inspection which allowed us time to relabel hazardous or oil filled IBC's as low hazardous.
I personally think I did nothing against the law - if the waste was dangerous I told them so - that was my job. Many of the blokes that handled the chemicals were low paid, low education guys and as such I tried my best to protect them but they were used by the management as human robots, easily replaced. I was friends with these men and I tried my best to protect them.
They used to pour the dregs out of IBC's into the landfill skips and occasionally the chemicals would react causing fires. I was the one who had to don the waterproof overalls (not a chemical suit like the Fire Brigade) and a gas mask (not an air supply like the Fire Brigade)and climb into the skip with a water hose to dampen down the fire and dilute the chemicals.
I started to educate the lads about certain chemicals which were definite carcinogens etc. Even though treatment of chemicals on site was not allowed I was told to do it, although in those circumstances only me and my assistant were allowed to do it.
Sorry for the rambling post - as I said I've had a couple of beers. My experience of waste transfer stations are that they are run by very dodgey people.
I am pleased that I have left that industry and indeed the country! Which is why I feel relatively safe to tell all!!
Andy
first off an apology - I haven't read the full post so if I'm slightly off topic or repeating I'm very sorry.
secondly I'm slightly pissed so all of what i'm about to say is "bullst" in the same way that speeders talk about "leptons"
As a long life lab analyst I spent a couple of miss spent years working as the Site Chemist at a Waste Transfer Station.
This Waste Transfer Station was owned by two of the caravan and fighting loving style of people.
In the interview I was told straight out that if I couldn't work without being sworn at all the time that this wasn't the job for me but also that they worked to see how far they could "stretch" the law without being jailed - fines and court appearances were normal.
This was not ever the way I worked or was brought up but the money was brilliant. I accepted.
Basically everything they did was against any law and totally environmentally terrible.I rationalised this by being totally safe and true in my analysis of the wastes and keeping a lab record. What they did with it was not my decision.
Liquid wastes had sawdust put on top to make them appear solid (to land fill). IBC's which had contained flammable liquids were cut up using a Stihl saw - numerous fires were caused on site which were not notified to the relevant authorities. As the place had "a proper Chemist" we took all sorts of dangerous wastes. We were subject to "random" inspections by the Environment Authority, luckily our local man allowed the use of "brown envelopes" so we always got a days notice of a random inspection which allowed us time to relabel hazardous or oil filled IBC's as low hazardous.
I personally think I did nothing against the law - if the waste was dangerous I told them so - that was my job. Many of the blokes that handled the chemicals were low paid, low education guys and as such I tried my best to protect them but they were used by the management as human robots, easily replaced. I was friends with these men and I tried my best to protect them.
They used to pour the dregs out of IBC's into the landfill skips and occasionally the chemicals would react causing fires. I was the one who had to don the waterproof overalls (not a chemical suit like the Fire Brigade) and a gas mask (not an air supply like the Fire Brigade)and climb into the skip with a water hose to dampen down the fire and dilute the chemicals.
I started to educate the lads about certain chemicals which were definite carcinogens etc. Even though treatment of chemicals on site was not allowed I was told to do it, although in those circumstances only me and my assistant were allowed to do it.
Sorry for the rambling post - as I said I've had a couple of beers. My experience of waste transfer stations are that they are run by very dodgey people.
I am pleased that I have left that industry and indeed the country! Which is why I feel relatively safe to tell all!!
Andy
Berz said:
Same one again after less than two weeks.http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/13102993.Large_ind...
Chances that this one will catch fire? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-32979096
Chrisgr31 said:
Chances that this one will catch fire? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-32979096
I came here to post the same thing! Ashford borough councillor Geraldine Dyer said:
"The residents are incredibly concerned about this. It's a huge fire risk and pollution as well."
She said there was water on the site and the mattresses had been in the water.Smarden parish councillor Brian Bristow said:
"The size of the mountain is just horrendous."
He said if the pile ever caught fire it could burn down the estate.
He said if the pile ever caught fire it could burn down the estate.
Chrisgr31 said:
Chances that this one will catch fire? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-32979096
Been watching the coverage of this on the local Beeb news - made us laugh when we saw the pile (of piles?).Who'd want to sort through tons of 'used' mattresses? I'd want gloves...
Once they're nice and dry however, all that horsehair and foam makes for a substantial fire risk. Let us hope it stays unflammabled.
Avagoodweegend said:
I am pleased that I have left that industry and indeed the country! Which is why I feel relatively safe to tell all!!
Can you contact your old MP with this? I would hope it's the kind of thing they can look into, especially regarding backhanders in the council!That's assuming the MP for that area hasn't been parachuted in of course.
The Don of Croy said:
Chrisgr31 said:
Chances that this one will catch fire? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-32979096
Been watching the coverage of this on the local Beeb news - made us laugh when we saw the pile (of piles?).Who'd want to sort through tons of 'used' mattresses? I'd want gloves...
Once they're nice and dry however, all that horsehair and foam makes for a substantial fire risk. Let us hope it stays unflammabled.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/blaze...
Though why 1000 or so gas cylinders are also there I do not know.
The Don of Croy said:
Chrisgr31 said:
Chances that this one will catch fire? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-32979096
Been watching the coverage of this on the local Beeb news - made us laugh when we saw the pile (of piles?).Who'd want to sort through tons of 'used' mattresses? I'd want gloves...
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